Star Wars: Skeleton Crew

xipotec · Nov 12, 2024

jaztermareal said:
You can absolutely have suburbs in Star Wars, provided they are sufficiently different from our own.

Have the suburbs be multi-level with houses above houses, the paths being where flying speeders drop off passengers. Have the school transport be a hover pod in a tube. Have the lawns be purple mushrooms. have the roofs of the houses be covered in individually articulating tiles that capture the wind.

Make it visually reminiscent of suburbs, but at the same time completely alien. Visually we understand that the carpet of oddly coloured fungus is analogous to a grass lawn but it isn't so close that it feels like earth.

Part of the reason the OT had so many Earth elements (the primary reason actually) was budget and tech limitations. George didn't WANT halloween wolfman and devil masks for aliens. He didn't want the real world weapons to be easily identifiable as such, but they needed functional weapons for the effects so they tried to stick bits on them to make them look less like real world weapons where they could.

The intention was to NOT be Earthlike. Han didn't wear a cowboy hat and have a classic face off with the town sheriff outside a saloon while people shuttered their windows. Lukes Homestead was chosen because it was the most alien looking location (to Western audiences) available. Most people had no idea it was a found location, most assumed it was made for the film.

Disney repeatedly jump the shark and this new show does it again.

See, you may not be old enough to remember this, but the interior of the Lars home got a lot of criticism , as it felt too familiar then....

Still seems odd to have such a "modern" kitchen in that crappy desert ....
Lars also had a serious garage ..

jaztermareal · Nov 12, 2024

I could forgive the kitchen being modern since their house is likely very old, built long before they moved in while the kitchen could have been fitted more recently but as for it looking too earthlike I would agree. Having a table is fine but the rest needed to look more different. At least Lucas tried with making milk blue. That was one small thing that helped sell it as not too earthlike.

MeatHookGekko · Nov 12, 2024

jaztermareal said:
I could forgive the kitchen being modern since their house is likely very old, built long before they moved in while the kitchen could have been fitted more recently but as for it looking too earthlike I would agree. Having a table is fine but the rest needed to look more different. At least Lucas tried with making milk blue. That was one small thing that helped sell it as not too earthlike.

It's budgetary.

If you aren't going to stay long in the "suburbs" in this show, then it's not much of a point to spend a lot of money to build some long term practical sets / spend more on SFX. Filming with a lot of kids carries a lot more complexity and expense. More regulation and more issues come up. Keira Knightley was still technically a minor when she filmed the first Pirates Of The Caribbean film. That was a huge addition to the cost and logistics just for that. But the production wanted her. Even adding just one minor changes things. An entire show full of them is another ballgame. New weapons kept being shifted into and out of the Stargate SG1 universe because it was a budgetary/logistics consideration. A lot of different shows, different genres, successful or not, all have to make some trade offs.

While it might not apply so much to this specific show, tradeoffs in the budget might mean one more excellent light saber battle. Or starfighters in an extended dogfight sequence. Something that usually ends up as well received fan service for a core audience. I could go a lot further into a practical budget breakdown of a modern show, but then it would just get ugly. No one typically wants to get into the minutiae of money laundering. They don't want to hear how public pension money is being gambled on bad projects to try to market to the lower end of a K-12 audience. They don't want to hear about Cartel dark money in the back end financing. Carve outs, entitlements, the problems with regulation, it's all kind of a stupid mess. I know people see Godzilla Minus One and think "Look at how amazing that looks for so cheap" What is cheap? That's relative. Cheap in the American film industry, in current times, is a different animal now.

Now the producers, writers and show runner can't say it's budgetary in public. They have to fabricate something that sounds better. But it's always money.

jaztermareal · Nov 13, 2024

MeatHookGekko said:
It's budgetary.

If you aren't going to stay long in the "suburbs" in this show, then it's not much of a point to spend a lot of money to build some long term practical sets / spend more on SFX. Filming with a lot of kids carries a lot more complexity and expense. More regulation and more issues come up. Keira Knightley was still technically a minor when she filmed the first Pirates Of The Caribbean film. That was a huge addition to the cost and logistics just for that. But the production wanted her. Even adding just one minor changes things. An entire show full of them is another ballgame. New weapons kept being shifted into and out of the Stargate SG1 universe because it was a budgetary/logistics consideration. A lot of different shows, different genres, successful or not, all have to make some trade offs.

While it might not apply so much to this specific show, tradeoffs in the budget might mean one more excellent light saber battle. Or starfighters in an extended dogfight sequence. Something that usually ends up as well received fan service for a core audience. I could go a lot further into a practical budget breakdown of a modern show, but then it would just get ugly. No one typically wants to get into the minutiae of money laundering. They don't want to hear how public pension money is being gambled on bad projects to try to market to the lower end of a K-12 audience. They don't want to hear about Cartel dark money in the back end financing. Carve outs, entitlements, the problems with regulation, it's all kind of a stupid mess. I know people see Godzilla Minus One and think "Look at how amazing that looks for so cheap" What is cheap? That's relative. Cheap in the American film industry, in current times, is a different animal now.

Now the producers, writers and show runner can't say it's budgetary in public. They have to fabricate something that sounds better. But it's always money.

it costs the same to design and digitally render a scifi suburb as it does a weird alien environment provided the number of elements are the same and they have fairly equal complexity

MeatHookGekko · Nov 13, 2024

jaztermareal said:
it costs the same to design and digitally render a scifi suburb as it does a weird alien environment provided the number of elements are the same and they have fairly equal complexity

xipotec · Nov 13, 2024

jaztermareal said:
it costs the same to design and digitally render a scifi suburb as it does a weird alien environment provided the number of elements are the same and they have fairly equal complexity

Eh, not really. You haven't hire someone talented to create that digital painting, not just execute it.

In bytes an possessing power I totally agree. Whatever money they spend gets a certain quality. Thats mostly done by number crunching nerds , the artistic part is by artists.

But for artistic merit, that is definitely IS cost dependent.You can hire some guy to thrown in a prefab bathroom in your home, or you can hire an architect to design one.

Digital artists are just that. The more creative and different they are the more they will cost. Better designs cost more.

Weta has their prices as they are due to the artists and designers just as much as processing ability.

jaztermareal · Nov 13, 2024

xipotec said:
Eh, not really. You haven't hire someone talented to create that digital painting, not just execute it.

In bytes an possessing power I totally agree. Whatever money they spend gets a certain quality. Thats mostly done by number crunching nerds , the artistic part is by artists.

But for artistic merit, that is definitely IS cost dependent.You can hire some guy to thrown in a prefab bathroom in your home, or you can hire an architect to design one.

Digital artists are just that. The more creative and different they are the more they will cost. Better designs cost more.

Weta has their prices as they are due to the artists and designers just as much as processing ability.

we aren't talking how well designed, we are talking theme of design. A very talented artist can design a super intricate and beautiful suburb, a mediocre artist can design a very basic typical looking suburb, but both are suburbs. The designs are based on what is requested of them, if asked to make an alien environment they will (very talented artist might come out with designs as imaginative as HR Giger while the less talented might splurge out something like he saw in GOTG) but both will be more sci fi if that is what is asked of them, so no cost isn't different when doing suburbs vs more alien environment. You might pay more for a talented designer to make a better version of either but the decisions made in this show are not based on budget but CHOICE, they wanted earthlike suburbs, so that is what they asked the designers to design and visual effects artists to render

MeatHookGekko · Nov 13, 2024

jaztermareal said:
we aren't talking how well designed, we are talking theme of design.

Asta · Nov 26, 2024

RandomHero · Nov 26, 2024

I can't decide if I care about this or not.

I love Jude Law as an actor, so I'm include to watch the first episode for him and see what I think. Hearing this is supposed to be The Goonies but Star Wars, I obviously have tons of nostalgia for The Goonies but no idea if that vibe will translate to a Star Wars adventure. I guess we'll see.

No matter what happens, it can't be as bad as The Acolyte. First Star Wars anything I didn't see through and finish.

jye4ever · Nov 26, 2024

This is definitely not for me.

I mean something like the plot of the Acolyte was technically for me that is until those idiots got involved with it so that was instantly ruined.

I don’t know who this cartoon is for because kids are certainly not watching Star Wars and adults certainly shouldn’t watch this because if you did well that would just be embarrassing lol

Look, I gave the bad batch a try but man did that turn out to be a huge waste of time.

Jesus do we need Andor S2 ASAP.

Buttmunch · Nov 26, 2024

I’m willing to give it a shot. Is it different than just about any other Star Wars out there? Absolutely! Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. Just like how the 80’s in our universe had room for Goonies, Back to the Future, and Terminator, there can be a place for all of that within the Star Wars universe. Not every event is going to shape the fate of the galaxy. There’s got to be kids that get themselves into trouble just like here on Earth.

Just like the Acolyte, if it’s bad, it’s easily forgotten on the periphery. If it’s great, then we got some new Star Wars to enjoy. Jon Watts did good by Spider-man so I’m hopeful.

Asta · Nov 26, 2024

RandomHero said:
I can't decide if I care about this or not.

I love Jude Law as an actor, so I'm include to watch the first episode for him and see what I think. Hearing this is supposed to be The Goonies but Star Wars, I obviously have tons of nostalgia for The Goonies but no idea if that vibe will translate to a Star Wars adventure. I guess we'll see.

No matter what happens, it can't be as bad as The Acolyte. First Star Wars anything I didn't see through and finish.

This is something a bit different, not just the retro '80s theme but also the kind of world they're depicting.

Ahsoka has now become my favourite Disney Star Wars series, but Skeleton Crew looks like it's giving us a break from "Hokey religions" and going back to basics: space pirates. More Han's world than Luke's, and Han was my preferred character right from the start.

The trailers keep reminding me of the early EU, when Star Wars was simpler, more generically sci-fi oriented and open, rather than steeped in decades of lore as it is now.

It may be the first time we've seen a regular functioning city from the inside, rather than a world of high rise buildings with a sleazy under belly at ground level. Andor was a shot in that direction, but on smaller town scale.

jye4ever · Nov 26, 2024

Just fyi Goonies is a POS movie.

Darth Snoopy · Nov 26, 2024

jye4ever said:
Just fyi Goonies is a POS movie.

Asta · Nov 26, 2024

jye4ever said:
Just fyi Goonies is a POS movie.

There's that old joke that people's enjoyment of The Goonies was ruined due to kids screaming in the cinema.

I rewatched it a little while back and the constant screaming got on my nerves.

It's like the series, Evil, when Kristen's kids all start yelling at once. :gah:

darth dennis · Nov 26, 2024

Asta said:
There's that old joke that people's enjoyment of The Goonies was ruined due to kids screaming in the cinema.

I rewatched it a little while back and the constant screaming got on my nerves.

It's like the series, Evil, when Kristen's kids all start yelling at once.

A) I also think the Goonies is lame. B) My wife was watching Evil and I was upstairs between meetings and asked "What in the holy h*ll is up with those kids all yelling?". She just rolled her eyes and said "Yeah, it's annoying". It made me commit to never watching it

Johnny Utah · Nov 26, 2024

I think this show will be a nice surprise. It looks fun, Jon Watts did the Holland Spidey movies, and you can't go wrong with Jude Law.

jaztermareal · Nov 26, 2024

darth dennis said:
A) I also think the Goonies is lame. B) My wife was watching Evil and I was upstairs between meetings and asked "What in the holy h*ll is up with those kids all yelling?". She just rolled her eyes and said "Yeah, it's annoying". It made me commit to never watching it

The show was bad on many levels, annoying kids was actually low on my list of complaints.

The Buffinator · Nov 27, 2024

I've never seen Goonies and plan to keep it that way lol. I will, however, give this a chance...

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