1/6 Hot Toys - TMS141 - The Clone Wars: Clone Commander Wolffe

jaztermareal · Monday at 8:54 PM

Do I want it? yes, I like all clone figures, however I support all criticism of inaccuracies on these figures. HT need to step up their game as 3D printing is becoming ever more accessible to consumers, small custom figure makers and potential competitor 3rd parties, meaning that it is getting easier than ever to get or make far more accurate figures. Just look at the horrid Clone Commandos HT did vs the customs available online and the 3D files they were made from. Competition is rising and HT needs to regain their reputation for being a maker of highly detailed and ACCURATE figures to stay ahead.

I also understand the frustration of those pointing out flaws (likely in the hopes that HT will fix them like they sometimes do when social media backlash is big enough) only to get people either state they don't care about accuracy or deny there is any (I had that oh so many times with regards to clone blasters and how HT has yet to make the movie ones and have only recently started including the correct versions with figures such as the Purge Trooper Commander).

When folk point out an inaccuracy it is fine if it doesn't bother you, but you should prob support the call to correct it so we can get better products that please everyone, not just the folk who aren't fussy. HT can more than afford to correct the issues.

jedibear · Monday at 9:00 PM

A lot of folks have been waiting for HT's take on this. Sideshow version still holds up for me, but I'm tempted, just for that superior portrait and the rolling eyeball really helps add to the options.

I don't want to repeat myself with the clones, but Wolff is one I would consider buying again.

TheClient · Monday at 9:12 PM

jaztermareal said:
Do I want it? yes, I like all clone figures, however I support all criticism of inaccuracies on these figures. HT need to step up their game as 3D printing is becoming ever more accessible to consumers, small custom figure makers and potential competitor 3rd parties, meaning that it is getting easier than ever to get or make far more accurate figures. Just look at the horrid Clone Commandos HT did vs the customs available online and the 3D files they were made from. Competition is rising and HT needs to regain their reputation for being a maker of highly detailed and ACCURATE figures to stay ahead.

I also understand the frustration of those pointing out flaws (likely in the hopes that HT will fix them like they sometimes do when social media backlash is big enough) only to get people either state they don't care about accuracy or deny there is any (I had that oh so many times with regards to clone blasters and how HT has yet to make the movie ones and have only recently started including the correct versions with figures such as the Purge Trooper Commander).

When folk point out an inaccuracy it is fine if it doesn't bother you, but you should prob support the call to correct it so we can get better products that please everyone, not just the folk who aren't fussy. HT can more than afford to correct the issues.

I did get a reply to my post with a helpful breakdown of what people are complaining about (but was then deleted for some reason). Basically there are small but noticeable differences between how Wolffe's helmet looks on screen in TCW and how they think Wolffe would look if he had showed up in ROTS. Which, of course, HE NEVER DID.

I think that's where a lot of people are having trouble seeing the problem. The version of Wolffe that you would prefer is purely hypothetical. It was never designed, it was never rendered, it never happened outside of fan art.

I completely understand why Hot Toys made the choices they made. Who is to say if Wolffe would look just like Neyo? Maybe he would NOT have the same helmet? If Hot Toys took artistic license to imagine a ROTS Wolffe design, they would get TCW fans saying it does not look like Wolffe's only on-screen appearances.

Ramatuelle · Monday at 11:45 PM

Wait wait wait. So the inaccuracies they were complaining about were regarding a version of Wolffe that never existed? What is more inaccurate than HT creating a sculpt for something that doesn't exist and never did exist? What people want is the version we *know*.

HyperDrive · Monday at 11:54 PM

I’ve gotten a bit busy, but I’ll share a breakdown of what he should’ve looked like. Stay tuned.

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 12:07 AM

Wolffe uses a the same helmet animated Neyo does just with added rangefinder and a different frame cover on the visor to give it the "points".

We know what Neyo's helmet looks like in live action, so add the rangefinder and spiky visor frame and voila, realistic Wolffe.

Captain Fordo also used a Neyo style helmet with different paint job.

You all need to learn how to reverse stylisation of animation. HT especially need to learn.

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 12:09 AM

Hyperdrive previously posted this to illustrate the point:

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 12:12 AM

notice that the HT has the animated style of chin piece and thick visor like animation for example. then there is the "mouth and teeth" that is again from the animation

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D Woon customs for an example of how Rex and Wolffe should look. realistic helmets, pauldron, kamas etc

TheClient · Tuesday at 12:39 AM

jaztermareal said:
Hyperdrive previously posted this to illustrate the point: View attachment 745818

Yes, the differences between the left and right examples are plain to see.

I have 2 questions:

First, where exactly is the bottom left picture of Wolffe from?

Second, how can we be sure the Neyo helmets you compare are indeed supposed to be the exact same helmet? Seems like an assumption to me.

I kinda like the (assumed and imagined) more ROTS look for Wolffe myself, but for Hot Toys to choose that design over Wolffe's actual onscreen appearance would be more controversial than what we are seeing now.

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 12:39 AM

TheClient said:
I think that's where a lot of people are having trouble seeing the problem. The version of Wolffe that you would prefer is purely hypothetical. It was never designed, it was never rendered, it never happened outside of fan art.

Except what he used on screen was a BARC helmet like Neyo, so realistic Wolffe should have that helmet type

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 12:41 AM

TheClient said:
Yes, the differences between the left and right examples are plain to see.

I have 2 questions:

First, where exactly is the bottom left picture of Wolffe from?

Second, how can we be sure the Neyo helmets you compare are indeed supposed to be the exact same helmet? Seems like an assumption to me.

I kinda like the (assumed and imagined) more ROTS look for Wolffe myself, but for Hot Toys to choose that design over Wolffe's actual onscreen appearance would be questionable.

ignore the bottom left image, focus on animated Neyo vs animated Wolffe. Same type of helmet, just different visor frame and added rangefinder. it really isn't that hard.

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 12:43 AM

TheClient said:
Second, how can we be sure the Neyo helmets you compare are indeed supposed to be the exact same helmet? Seems like an assumption to me.

how can we be sure phase 1 clone trooper echo and phase 1 rex use the same type of helmet??? compare. how do we know how they would look in realistic? AOTC had phase 1 helmets

TheClient · Tuesday at 1:05 AM

jaztermareal said:
ignore the bottom left image, focus on animated Neyo vs animated Wolffe. Same type of helmet, just different visor frame and added rangefinder. it really isn't that hard.

You are correct that it is not that hard. I see the differences and similarities.

But the whole argument of what Wolffe is "supposed" to look like hinges on the assumption that Wolffe has the same helmet design that Neyo wore in ROTS. There is no actual onscreen or canon published evidence for this. It is an assumption. We never saw Wolffe in ROTS. All we have to go on is our imaginations. Why would Hot Toys NOT use the only available source material for their design?

The argument for an ROTS design for Wolffe is based in personal preference, not screen accuracy.

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 1:07 AM

TheClient said:
You are correct that it is not that hard. I see the differences and similarities.

But the whole argument of what Wolffe is "supposed" to look like hinges on the assumption that Wolffe has the same helmet design that Neyo wore in ROTS. There is no actual onscreen or canon published evidence for this. It is an assumption. We never saw Wolffe in ROTS. All we have to go on is our imaginations. Why would Hot Toys NOT use the only available source material for their design?

Phase 1 Echo never appeared in AOTC, How do we know that he is using a standard phase 1 helmet??? HT should make him with a cartoon style phase 1 helmet then.

that fact that Wolffe animated helmet matches animated Neyo's minus custom attachments means there is canon proof he wears the BARC helmet.

HyperDrive · Tuesday at 1:14 AM

Use deduction skills, people. Wolffe and Neyo were both seen in the animation together and share the same exact base Phase 2 helmet mold. Using that logic and deduction, his helmet should be the same as Neyo’s as seen in live-action, except for the minor and unique differences that are present on Wolffe’s helmet like the antenna, 104th paint work, added cuts on the visor.

I don’t understand why it’s so hard to see, but when I free up, I’ll make a rough edit and comparison picture of what his HT helmet should’ve looked like in live-action vs current stock HT helmet. The differences are alarming. Could’ve been so much better and accurate to live-action.

If people want things to be reminiscent of the animation, they should’ve just recreated them in animation then. I also don’t understand why some are making it seem like Hot Toys isn’t incorporating live-action elements into their other clone figures. For example, all HT clone figures have the black helmet bands (except for Wolffe for some reason) just like in the live-action Prequels, and in the animation, ALL clones do not have black helmet bands. So which is it? What do you want? Again, it’s its own design for the animated representation, but they’re intended to be the SAME. Deduction!

HyperDrive · Tuesday at 1:23 AM

Also, just wanted, great outline and pointing out the differences and whatnot
@jaztermareal :rock2

it’s a tough exercise

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 1:26 AM

HyperDrive said:
Also, just wanted, great outline and pointing out the differences and whatnot
@jaztermareal it’s a tough exercise

thanks. I went through similar circular debates regarding clone blasters many times. I am used to it

TheClient · Tuesday at 1:32 AM

HyperDrive said:
Use deduction skills, people. Wolffe and Neyo were both seen in the animation together and share the same exact base Phase 2 helmet mold. Using that logic and deduction, his helmet should be the same as Neyo’s as seen in live-action, except for the minor and unique differences that are present on Wolffe’s helmet like the antenna, 104th paint work, added cuts on the visor.

And if HT actually made their own redesign and reinterpretation in this way, you would get fans of the actual character on the actual show he appeared in saying it looks wrong. Who is HT going to try and please?

I understand you are not fans of HT's mix-and-match approach with animated characters. You think Wolffe would look better with a custom redesign, I get it. It's personal preference.

But to call this helmet inaccurate? To his actual onscreen appearances?

Plus, still a lot assumption. I could say that Neyo is wearing "phase 2" in TCW and wearing a phase "2.5" in ROTS, he got a slight redesign the day before order 66. Is there any proof I am wrong?

jaztermareal · Tuesday at 1:35 AM

TheClient said:
And if HT actually made their own redesign and reinterpretation in this way, you would get fans of the actual character on the actual show he appeared in saying it looks wrong. Who is HT going to try and please?

I understand you are not fans of HT's mix-and-match approach with animated characters. You think Wolffe would look better with a custom redesign, I get it. It's personal preference.

But to call this helmet inaccurate? To his actual onscreen appearances?

Plus, still a lot assumption. I could say that Neyo is wearing "phase 2" in TCW and wearing a phase "2.5" in ROTS, he got a slight redesign the day before order 66. Is there any proof I am wrong?

Difference is we have proof, you have zero for your phase 2.5 silly idea

You already admitted HT blend realistic and animated which is what we are pointing out. By blending it is not accurate to realistic nor animated designs, it is the lesser of its parts

HyperDrive · Tuesday at 1:44 AM

TheClient said:
And if HT actually made their own redesign and reinterpretation in this way, you would get fans of the actual character on the actual show he appeared in saying it looks wrong. Who is HT going to try and please?

I understand you are not fans of HT's mix-and-match approach with animated characters. You think Wolffe would look better with a custom redesign, I get it. It's personal preference.

But to call this helmet inaccurate? To his actual onscreen appearances?

Plus, still a lot assumption. I could say that Neyo is wearing "phase 2" in TCW and wearing a phase "2.5" in ROTS, he got a slight redesign the day before order 66. Is there any proof I am wrong?

There’s no assumption here. If we go by your logic however, then all your HT clones are flat out WRONG. HT should scrap them and recreate them in their animated style to be based on their “onscreen appearances”.

A basic 501st in the animation DOES NOT have a black helmet band, but the figure has it!

You see what we’re saying?

And no, just stop with your made up 2.5. I won’t even entertain that idea lmao. Just no…

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