Daredevil Born Again (Disney+) - March 4, 2025

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Personally don’t get all the Foggy love. Annoying character.
I re-watched the first episode of the Netflix show after seeing the first two new episodes last night, and it did remind me of Foggy's annoying demeanor. He's not good looking, he's not smooth, he's not particularly funny or clever, and it even seems like Matt is the one who has the better ethical compass a lot of the time. But I'm sure this was intentionally the case as a counterpoint to the other, more traditionally dramatic characters in the show. And he was often that way in the comic, as well.

In reality I'm sure he's closer to many of us than most of the other characters in the show, so he is also more relatable and someone who can interpret and process what's going on in the way that a normal person might. Over time, I think there is a charm to that.

So ultimately I didn't mind Foggy and understood his relationship with Matt was important in Daredevil's development (including Matt's decision to give up DD in Born Again). But at the same time, his death, if it sticks, won't affect me much more than Colston or Maria Hill. Minor characters who served their purpose but aren't essential for things moving forward.
 
I re-watched the first episode of the Netflix show after seeing the first two new episodes last night, and it did remind me of Foggy's annoying demeanor. He's not good looking, he's not smooth, he's not particularly funny or clever, and it even seems like Matt is the one who has the better ethical compass a lot of the time. But I'm sure this was intentionally the case as a counterpoint to the other, more traditionally dramatic characters in the show. And he was often that way in the comic, as well.

In reality I'm sure he's closer to many of us than most of the other characters in the show, so he is also more relatable and someone who can interpret and process what's going on in the way that a normal person might. Over time, I think there is a charm to that.

So ultimately I didn't mind Foggy and understood his relationship with Matt was important in Daredevil's development (including Matt's decision to give up DD in Born Again). But at the same time, his death, if it sticks, won't affect me much more than Colston or Maria Hill. Minor characters who served their purpose but aren't essential for things moving forward.
crows, chrisstbh and I couldn’t agree more…

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Personally don’t get all the Foggy love. Annoying character.
for me is mainly the actor, I just really like him I don't know. I like that actor in that role.
and the character, he's annoying but he's caring. he's not strong but he's charming. he cares for his friend, he worries, the actor comes off as very friendly, very safe. supportive. he might disagree with Matt and be annoying about it, but he cares for his friend a lot.
you don't see that a lot in this universe. he's annoying, because he cares
 
for me is mainly the actor, I just really like him I don't know. I like that actor in that role.
and the character, he's annoying but he's caring. he's not strong but he's charming. he cares for his friend, he worries, the actor comes off as very friendly, very safe. supportive. he might disagree with Matt and be annoying about it, but he cares for his friend a lot.
you don't see that a lot in this universe. he's annoying, because he cares
You make a good case for a flawed, realistic character in that sense. He still bugs me though. :LOL:
 
Yeah, I mean, he look dead. Very dead. But this is comic books world. Vanessa is maneuvering distinctly from Wilson. In the comics, Vanessa has faked Foggy's death to use against Wilson and DD, even specifically including that Matt heard Foggy's heart stop. In the show Vanessa is connected to Red Hook. Foggy and Benny were connected to Red Hook, so there's something there.

To be fair, I'm only halfway through Episode 1 and speculating wildly.
 
I don't believe he is dead.

How would Foggy faking his death even work.

Bullseye was going to kill Karen and also killed like 10 other civillians there just because he could. And got thrown off a roof. Not like he was in on it.


We literally watched him bleed out

And heard his heart stop.

the first thing for it to work is that foggy has to be in on it. so he's gotta be aware of the attack.

second, the bullet could be fake or he's shot in a non lethal place, the blood could be fake. or he's just bleeding but not dead.
and he can be given medicine to slow his heart.


is not impossible.
 
the first thing for it to work is that foggy has to be in on it. so he's gotta be aware of the attack.

second, the bullet could be fake or he's shot in a non lethal place, the blood could be fake. or he's just bleeding but not dead.
and he can be given medicine to slow his heart.


is not impossible.
So then Foggy is now responsible for the deaths of 10 other innocent people.

Makes no sense.
 
I don't think surviving an attack makes him responsible. My guess is that Vanessa is responsible. I doubt Foggy was in on it, but that doesn't mean SHE couldn't have kept him alive and in hiding.

Plus the actor has been confirmed for Season 2: “The story needed it to happen,” Winderbaum said when explaining how the Daredevil: Born Again team decided to kill off Foggy. “Matt, he had to struggle with his own internal demons in a way that only an event like that could bring about. It’s something that happens in the books. When you look at the source material, the cost of violence is something that drives him – and also challenges him. I will say, I see Karen and Foggy as being intrinsically tied to Matt. I don’t think there’s a Matt Murdock story without those two characters, and I’m excited to see them both in Season 2 as well.” https://www.ign.com/articles/darede...k-karen-page-and-foggy-nelson-marvel-confirms
 
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