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[guyver1]

And he may very well have. But we never saw Obi-Wan teaching him to. Nor lightsaber combat, nor Force-jumping (to escape the carbon freeze), and surely neither Obi Wan nor Yoda taught him to Force-choke Jabba's guards. His Jedi mindtrick he learned from simply watching Obi Wan do it once.

So yeah, Luke has that same connection to the Force, like his father, and like his daughter/niece.

Now that I can answer..even though Luke didn't finish Yoda's

training. Luke learned enough to train himself after Bespin. That has been documented in the EU. Remember when Luke said he came back to Yoda to complete the training...yoda said " No more training do you require..Already you know that what you need "

In death yoda also said " The force is strong in your family..pass on what you have learned "

So Yoda knew Luke was ready.

 

[ZE_501]

Call it whatever female name you want.

From the Wikipedia entry on the term's origin, meaning and usage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue


The term "Mary Sue" comes from the name of a character created by Paula Smith in 1973 for her parody story "A Trekkie's Tale"[4]:15

To me, Rey is a character with the strongest connection to the Force since Anakin Skywalker (who could pilot podracers at 600+mph at age 8). The Force reveals to her what she needs as if by intuition. That's why she can understand BB-8 directly when no one else can.

You're free to ascribe whatever abilities you like to powerful Force users; originally a mystical connection to a mysterious and pervasive universal power, the definition and mechanisms of The Force have been changed and expanded upon numerous times canonically as well, but the kind of omniscience you suggest -- canonical or not -- strikes me as overdone at best.

That's why she can pilot the Falcon like the best within minutes. That's how she instinctively "guessed" what door to close to free Finn from the rachtar.

I figured the former was a plot device (no doubt Force-related) and the latter was a 'lucky' guess -- the same way protagonists in these films walk through heavy fire unscathed while droves of minor rebels bite the dust.

That's why she can handle herself with a lightsaber the moment she sees one,

My take was prior melee weapons training with a dash of the Force.

AND, that's why, when Kylo tells her he can teach her about the Force, it is revealed to her in that moment, that she can tap into the Force to effectively wield a lightsaber to overpower him.

That was more than a dash. More like a couple of hefty dollops.

That's how the Force works in such powerful individuals.

<Han Solo>I'm glad you're here to tell us these things.</Han Solo>

Obi-Wan simply told Luke "your eyes can deceive you" and "act on instinct", and within a couple minutes he was deflecting blaster fire blindfolded. "Use the Force... let go", and he makes a one-in-a-million shot on the exhaust port.

Mary Sue. Much like the novice who excels in The 36th Chamber of Shaolin.

Out of need, he learns to Force-pull his lightsaber on Hoth. With no training he also forges a new lightsaber (Yoda sure didn't teach him that).

It was my understanding that he'd been growing and developing his affinity to the Force in between onscreen adventures. While probably relegated to 'Legends' now, I vaguely recall he learned to construct a lightsaber thanks to an old book of Obi Wan's.

That is why to me, it is so clear that Rey is a Skywalker.

Could be, who knows?

Now, if you don't like how the Force works in these characters and you feel you have to put demeaning names on them, I suggest you're choosing the wrong means of entertainment.

I don't like everything about Star Wars. But I love it overall, and don't make apologies for the goofy bits. It's only light entertainment, after all.

As for 'demeaning' -- take that up with Ms. Paula Smith.

 

[WesMordine]

Now that I can answer..even though Luke didn't finish Yoda's

training. Luke learned enough to train himself after Bespin. That has been documented in the EU. Remember when Luke said he came back to Yoda to complete the training...yoda said " No more training do you require..Already you know that what you need "

In death yoda also said " The force is strong in your family..pass on what you have learned "

So Yoda knew Luke was ready.

Precisely because he was a Skywalker, son of Anakin, himself conceived by the Force. Luke was able to learn about the Force by mere instinct, much like Rey can.

 

[WesMordine]

From the Wikipedia entry on the term's origin, meaning and usage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue


The term "Mary Sue" comes from the name of a character created by Paula Smith in 1973 for her parody story "A Trekkie's Tale"[4]:15



You're free to ascribe whatever abilities you like to powerful Force users; originally a mystical connection to a mysterious and pervasive universal power, the definition and mechanisms of The Force have been changed and expanded upon numerous times canonically as well, but the kind of omniscience you suggest -- canonical or not -- strikes me as overdone at best.




I figured the former was a plot device (no doubt Force-related) and the latter was a 'lucky' guess -- the same way protagonists in these films walk through heavy fire unscathed while droves of minor rebels bite the dust.




My take was prior melee weapons training with a dash of the Force.




That was more than a dash. More like a couple of hefty dollops.




<Han Solo>I'm glad you're here to tell us these things.</Han Solo>




Mary Sue. Much like the novice who excels in The 36th Chamber of Shaolin.





It was my understanding that he'd been growing and developing his affinity to the Force in between onscreen adventures. While probably relegated to 'Legends' now, I vaguely recall he learned to construct a lightsaber thanks to an old book of Obi Wan's.




Could be, who knows?




I don't like everything about Star Wars. But I love it overall, and don't make apologies for the goofy bits. It's only light entertainment, after all.

As for 'demeaning' -- take that up with Ms. Paula Smith.

I prefer to find explanations within the fiction and its canon. Otherwise, any movie character's actions can be written off as a plot device. And looking at it from the outside, they are. But thats no fun.

 

[ZE_501]

I prefer to find explanations within the fiction and its canon. Otherwise, any movie character's actions can be written off as a plot device. And looking at it from the outside, they are. But thats no fun.

I'll give you that; but I generally focus on the military aspects of Star Wars. Naturally, the Force and the Jedi are the primary elements against a military backdrop, but I prefer stormtroopers and starfighters -- or rather, a much higher ratio of the aforementioned -- to the Jedi, whom I prefer to be used sparingly and not explained too heavily. One reason I prefer the OT to the PT, which was too Jedi-heavy for my taste.

 

[WesMordine]

I'll give you that; but I generally focus on the military aspects of Star Wars. Naturally, the Force and the Jedi are the primary elements against a military backdrop, but I prefer stormtroopers and starfighters -- or rather, a much higher ratio of the aforementioned -- to the Jedi, whom I prefer to be used sparingly and not explained too heavily. One reason I prefer the OT to the PT, which was too Jedi-heavy for my taste.

You, Order 66 supporter you. XD

Well then, it sounds like Rogue One will be much closer to your tastes.

 

[ZE_501]

You, Order 66 supporter you. XD

Well then, it sounds like Rogue One will be much closer to your tastes.

It's what I'm hoping for. Really excited for this one -- there has been some cringeworthy dialogue in the trailers, but no worse than in my beloved OT, so I'm ready to suspend disbelief -- and to a small degree, good taste.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It's like an open wound that just won't heal.

 

[ZE_501]

It's like an open wound that just won't heal.

What is?


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[Wor-Gar]

This whole Mary Sue debate/discussion.

 

[guyver1]

This whole Mary Sue debate/discussion.

Check out the RO movie thread..last I saw was Cat gifs and PT talk viewing between blue ray and reg cable

 

[WesMordine]

I think we healed it nicely and politely. =D

Unlike the guy on his first comment. =P

 

[ZE_501]

This whole Mary Sue debate/discussion.

It's the way of things.

 

[morphosis]

most of you missed a lot details about Rey. its the film and the books they put out. she knew the falcon. she knew how to fly ships. she knew the ins and outs of imperial ships. it didnt just come to her. and she wasnt a perfect mary sue. she almost got Finn, chewie and Han killed by her mistake with opening the doors the rathtar were being kept. also even if she was a perfect mary sue there is nothing wrong with that. shes a great character. daisy was amazing. if you didnt like it, oh well thats your loss.

 

[2littlemoney]

Great photos 2little. Interesting shot from behind Jynn. Love the wire in the scarf thing to create a better look. That metal riot control batton also looks interesting. That must be what she uses on the Stormtrooper in the movie trailer.


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you are welcome!

 

[Asta]

I just realized that Felicity was the main character in Chalet Girl.

Nice gloves:

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[WesMordine]

Is that a Phicen?

 

[Asta]

Is that a Phicen?

I don't think she's seamless under that glove.

 

[Wor-Gar]

most of you missed a lot details about Rey. its the film and the books they put out. she knew the falcon. she knew how to fly ships. she knew the ins and outs of imperial ships. it didnt just come to her. and she wasnt a perfect mary sue. she almost got Finn, chewie and Han killed by her mistake with opening the doors the rathtar were being kept. also even if she was a perfect mary sue there is nothing wrong with that. shes a great character. daisy was amazing. if you didnt like it, oh well thats your loss.

I read something like this and I see something like this...

 

[guyver1]

I just realized that Felicity was the main character in Chalet Girl.

Nice gloves:

Spoiler

I tried to post this same pic, but I guess Photobucket blocked the whole shot. Only was able to save from the chest up