1/6 Hot Toys - TMS064 -The Clone Wars: ARC Trooper Jesse

[DarkChocobi]

Jesse, best clone yet!

placeholder 'till ARC Fives and Echo..

 

[MyenShi]

To be fair, he and Rex should have the realistic style pauldrons anyway, but that is another discussion.

Now there’s going to be a five page “discussion” about it.

 

[SOU7567]

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Now there’s going to be a five page “discussion” about it.

Oh no, what have I done.

 

[slynger]

Oh no, what have I done.

If Rex's pauldron was 3 degrees canted down and Jesses holsters were 0.118 inches closer to his midsection they'd be perfect.

Instead, I have to look at these abominations on my shelf.

 

[MyenShi]

Oh no, what have I done.

Going back to your initial post, unfortunately most any hard pauldron will restrict articulation, whatever the source material may be. Bly’s certainly did on the Sideshow figure. It’s unfortunate but rule of cool over practicality I suppose.

There’s also no live action equivalent of either the Phase 2 Rex or TCW ARC pauldron. And if they ever made it to live action, they’d probably be based on the TCW designs anyway.

Closest we have is the ARC Trooper from BF2 which is pretty much based off the animated appearance with live action parts where applicable, much like this figure.

Hot Toys got the ARC armor pretty spot on. Can’t blame you for being tempted by a second. Hope they do make more ARCs; would just be leaving money on the table not to make others.

 

[SOU7567]

Going back to your initial post, unfortunately most any hard pauldron will restrict articulation, whatever the source material may be. Bly’s certainly did on the Sideshow figure. It’s unfortunate but rule of cool over practicality I suppose.

There’s also no live action equivalent of either the Phase 2 Rex or TCW ARC pauldron. And if they ever made it to live action, they’d probably be based on the TCW designs anyway.

Closest we have is the ARC Trooper from BF2 which is pretty much based off the animated armor with live action parts where applicable, much like this figure.

Hot Toys got the ARC armor pretty spot on. Can’t blame you for being tempted by a second. Hope they do make more ARCs; would just be leaving money on the table not to make others.

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Knowing you and your clone army, I can't wait for you to get him in hand, and you too, will want to buy another one lol

It begs the question on why they're giving Appo a different pauldron.

 

[MyenShi]

Knowing you and your clone army, I can't wait for you to get him in hand, and you too, will want to buy another one lol

It begs the question on why they're giving Appo a different pauldron.

Going to predict it’ll be my favorite Clone figure yet. I’m happy you got yours in already and it must truly be an amazing figure in person.

The Hot Toys Appo is definitely a weird case, I agree! They went with his Legends appearance which did have a live action Bly pauldron like many officers at the time. Just a byproduct of parts bin sharing from that era.

So it is accurate to that, but kind of an obscure source to pull from. There were many other figures they could’ve paired with the BARC, but I suspect people would be more upset if a popular character were only available in an expensive package.

 

[Chainedstream]

So it is accurate to that, but kind of an obscure source to pull from. There were many other figures they could’ve paired with the BARC, but I suspect people would be more upset if a popular character were only available in an expensive package.

Molds & production. They already have the production ready for 501st clones, only add some additional trinkets. No need for extra R&D of paint schemes, optimizing 1:6 painting & such. Could’ve sell the bike with a virgin 501st, but they wanted some additional fanciness to lure us in!

 

[MyenShi]

Molds & production. They already have the production ready for 501st clones, only add some additional trinkets. No need for extra R&D of paint schemes, optimizing 1:6 painting & such. Could’ve sell the bike with a virgin 501st, but they wanted some additional fanciness to lure us in!

There are Clones that would’ve taken no more effort than Appo; some even less. Appo needed a not insignificant number of new parts like the bicep armor pouches, belt with buckle for the straps, probably chest armor with tabs like Rex, and the pauldron itself.

It’s also unlikely Appo would be painted with the same paint and weathering pattern as the 501st. It’s not on the proto and Vaughn wasn’t for the parts that could’ve been. We like to give them a hard time but they’re not that lazy.

If they really wanted to do something easy they could’ve done TCW Appo with just the helmet arrow. Or Kix. Or any named Clone that’s an easy repaint. Phase 1 Rex, same work as Appo. But people would be upset without a standalone for those. So why not the 501st Specialist or Officer from BF2 to match the Heavy. Who knows.

Legends Appo is still a choice that baffles me a bit but personally sticking with unique enough to be marketable but not desirable enough to make more people angry there’s no standalone.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

Going back to your initial post, unfortunately most any hard pauldron will restrict articulation, whatever the source material may be. Bly’s certainly did on the Sideshow figure. It’s unfortunate but rule of cool over practicality I suppose.

There’s also no live action equivalent of either the Phase 2 Rex or TCW ARC pauldron. And if they ever made it to live action, they’d probably be based on the TCW designs anyway.

Closest we have is the ARC Trooper from BF2 which is pretty much based off the animated appearance with live action parts where applicable, much like this figure.

Hot Toys got the ARC armor pretty spot on. Can’t blame you for being tempted by a second. Hope they do make more ARCs; would just be leaving money on the table not to make others.

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Not 100% accurate with your assessment. We can assume Rex would have the same realistic style pauldron as all the other commanders because when we see Bly in the season 7 recap he has the same pauldron as Rex and that’s the same Bly we see in RotS with a completely different pauldron.

 

[MyenShi]

Not 100% accurate with your assessment. We can assume Rex would have the same realistic style pauldron as all the other commanders because when we see Bly in the season 7 recap he has the same pauldron as Rex and that’s the same Bly we see in RotS with a completely different pauldron.

I've brought up that point myself actually. I feel that was more of a production decision down to reusing a digital asset than having to recreate the actual ROTS Bly pauldron for a 3 second scene.

I still believe the Phase 1 Rex pauldron is intended to be the animated equivalent of the ROTS Bly since realistic figures and statues of Phase 1 Rex were depicted as such. If that is the case, Rex's Phase 2 pauldron is different from his Phase 1, so not the ROTS Bly by elimination.

Phase 1 Rex = ROTS Bly
Phase 1 Rex ≠ Phase 2 Rex
Phase 2 Rex = ???

Not saying what's right and what's wrong; just my opinion. Because it is honestly a bit of an inconsistent mess which is probably just how they like it to torment us fans who obsess over this sort of thing.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

I've brought up that point myself actually. I feel that was more of a production decision down to reusing a digital asset than having to recreate the actual ROTS Bly pauldron for a 3 second scene.

I still believe the Phase 1 Rex pauldron is intended to be the animated equivalent of the ROTS Bly since realistic figures and statues of Phase 1 Rex were depicted as such. If that is the case, Rex's Phase 2 pauldron is different from his Phase 1, so not the ROTS Bly by elimination.

Phase 1 Rex = ROTS Bly
Phase 1 Rex ≠ Phase 2 Rex
Phase 2 Rex = ???

Not saying what's right and what's wrong; just my opinion. Because it is honestly a bit of an inconsistent mess which is probably just how they like it to torment us fans who obsess over this sort of thing.

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But they instead made an entire Phase 2 Bly character model when one had not previously existed for a 3 second scene

Why stop at the pauldron?

I think its more than likely a production decision.

 

[jaztermareal]

Clone wars made many errors, I think Rex pauldron is supposed to be like ROTS in realistic style but somehow the animated style stuck. Sideshow and Hasbro used the animated pauldron on realistic armour and then HT did it too, along with weird hybrid visor etc.

I guess we have to accept that realistic Rex has a different, non standard, pauldron. I guess we can call it a captain pauldron.

 

[Ramatuelle]

Its funny cause its true

 

[MyenShi]

But they instead made an entire Phase 2 Bly character model when one had not previously existed for a 3 second scene

Why stop at the pauldron?

I think its more than likely a production decision.

Well that’s my point; they didn’t. Looks to me like they just repainted a Clone - possibly just Rex with some tweaks - and added a couple of different accessories to represent Bly and the Star Corps.

There’s additional evidence that the scene was done with hastily put together assets. By design, they couldn’t flip Rex’s pauldron to actually match the Star Corps so they didn’t bother.

And the kamas are also Rex’s and not accurate to Bly/327th. It’s fabric with piping along the edge (which they just recolored) whereas the Star Corps kamas are supposed to be a different canvas material with no piping.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

Well that’s my point; they didn’t. Looks to me like they just repainted a Clone - possibly just Rex with some tweaks - and added a couple of different accessories to represent Bly and the Star Corps.

There’s additional evidence that the scene was done with hastily put together assets. By design, they couldn’t flip Rex’s pauldron to actually match the Star Corps so they didn’t bother.

And the kamas are also Rex’s and not accurate to Bly/327th. It’s fabric with piping along the edge (which they just recolored) whereas the Star Corps kamas are supposed to be a different canvas material with no piping.

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Its not Rex because Rex had different armor. Plus Bly has the ammo boxes whereas Rex had the pockets. I'm pretty sure it can just be assumed that this animated pauldron is meant to represent the realistic one in the film.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

This is what a proper realistic Rex SHOULD look like

 

[MyenShi]

Its not Rex because Rex had different armor. Plus Bly has the ammo boxes whereas Rex had the pockets. I'm pretty sure it can just be assumed that this animated pauldron is meant to represent the realistic one in the film.

I did say with some tweaks and different accessories. But could easily be built from S7 Clone model base and assets with the addition of the belt and pouches.

This is what a proper realistic Rex SHOULD look like

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That glosses over my other point that there are LFL approved realistic appearances for Phase 1 Rex with the ROTS Bly Pauldron already. And his Phase 2 is of a different design than his Phase 1.

This can be an interestingly - and amusingly - divisive subject and I don’t think people on one side are going to convince the other.

So I’m happy to agree to disagree.

 

[Fr0stbit3]

I did say with some tweaks and different accessories. But could easily be built from S7 Clone model base and assets with the addition of the belt and pouches.



That glosses over my other point that there is LFL approved realistic appearances for Phase 1 Rex with the ROTS Bly Pauldron already. And his Phase 2 is of a different design than his Phase 1.

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This can be an interestingly - and amusingly - divisive subject and I don’t think people on one side are going to convince the other.

So happy to agree to disagree.

I mean to be FAIR aren't all clones just tweaks of one another? lol

Your image is P1 Rex and the pauldron Rex has in CW is still very similar to his P2 look:

 

[MyenShi]

I mean to be FAIR aren't all clones just tweaks of one another? lol

Yep, exactly.

Your image is P1 Rex and the pauldron Rex has in CW is still very similar to his P2 look:

It seems to me they’re different types of pauldrons.

Merchandise and depictions of realistic Phase 1 Rex tend to use the Bly pauldron.

Merchandise and depictions of realistic Phase 2 Rex use his different pauldron.

Which the 501st CRL also uses for realistic Phase 2 Rex and not the Bly type.