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"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest [the nation] become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

-- Cicero , 55 BC


As true now as it was then. It's too bad he was decapitated and had his head nailed to the wall of the Senate. :lol
 
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest [the nation] become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

-- Cicero , 55 BC


As true now as it was then. It's too bad he was decapitated and had his head nailed to the wall of the Senate. :lol

Wonderful quote by an eloquent Roman...words to govern and live by. I wish we did then we would all prosper.
 
"He who smelt it, dealt it." - Farticus, 69 B.C.
 
It's amazing how technologically and scientifically we've evolved so much...
but on the basics as equality, justice, poverty and war, we're still as dumb as those old cultures...
 
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest [the nation] become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

-- Cicero , 55 BC


As true now as it was then. It's too bad he was decapitated and had his head nailed to the wall of the Senate. :lol

Typical politician - makes a statement everyone can agree on - but presents no plan to accomplish it.
 
Funny thing is, the wider the gap between the poor and the rich is... the more unrest there is. Also, the more chance there is for uprising and crime.

The gap in this country has been widening for years, now it is getting to the point where almost everyone feels the crunch.

Aid programs only increase laziness if they are not regulated properly, such as Welfare today.. which needs an overhaul.

Think about this as well, if some kid is heir to the Folgers money.. he can be as lazy as he wants to be, and yet he will be a Multi Millionaire without effort. While a kid from a broken home can do as good as he wants in school and not be able to get the education he needs to make a name for himself. No matter how intelligent he may be. So he falls through the cracks and works at a factory. Is that right?

I can't say that the millionaire should have his money taken away, but to help our country grow... he can be taxed a bit more. That tax money can go to programs to aid people who actually need the help to realize their full potential. Is that so wrong?
 
My solution is this: make me rich, so I don't have to worry about you poor ass people anymore.
 
Funny thing is, the wider the gap between the poor and the rich is... the more unrest there is. Also, the more chance there is for uprising and crime.

The gap in this country has been widening for years, now it is getting to the point where almost everyone feels the crunch.

Aid programs only increase laziness if they are not regulated properly, such as Welfare today.. which needs an overhaul.

Think about this as well, if some kid is heir to the Folgers money.. he can be as lazy as he wants to be, and yet he will be a Multi Millionaire without effort. While a kid from a broken home can do as good as he wants in school and not be able to get the education he needs to make a name for himself. No matter how intelligent he may be. So he falls through the cracks and works at a factory. Is that right?

I can't say that the millionaire should have his money taken away, but to help our country grow... he can be taxed a bit more. That tax money can go to programs to aid people who actually need the help to realize their full potential. Is that so wrong?

In theory it is not wrong...but if it were your millions and you were being taxed up the ass to fund inner city poverty, I don't think you'd be too happy about it? Im not talking taxing like we are now....when it comes to the millions that is something to be alarmed about.
 
. While a kid from a broken home can do as good as he wants in school and not be able to get the education he needs to make a name for himself. No matter how intelligent he may be. So he falls through the cracks and works at a factory. Is that right?
Or, this kid does so well in school that he get's some scholarships, or he gets grants, or he gets loans or he works while going to school. If he decides not to got to school then it is on him. My wife, who was a single mother at the time, put herself through college by getting grants, getting a loan and working during her time in college. She has a degree in micro-biology and is a lab manager here in Pa. It can be done if it is wanted bad enough.
 
I find it interesting that the people who do the most complaining about raising taxes (I'm not referring to anyone here) are the ones who can afford it. I mean how much $$ is enough? Here in WA we used to have to pay our car tabs based on the blue book value of your car. The rich complained that they had to pay more $$ for their Hummers and BMWs than they regular folk who drove Hondas and the like. Even though we do not pay a state income tax and this $$ went to fund state programs such as building roads, the police, fire dept., etc.....Well, they won and now everyone pays the same. It really blew my mind though....I mean the greediness of some people who have more than enough is really disgusting. But I suppose being tight wads is how they got rich. :lol
 
I find it interesting that the people who do the most complaining about raising taxes (I'm not referring to anyone here) are the ones who can afford it. I mean how much $$ is enough? Here in WA we used to have to pay our car tabs based on the blue book value of your car. The rich complained that they had to pay more $$ for their Hummers and BMWs than they regular folk who drove Hondas and the like. Even though we do not pay a state income tax and this $$ went to fund state programs such as building roads, the police, fire dept., etc.....Well, they won and now everyone pays the same. It really blew my mind though....I mean the greediness of some people who have more than enough is really disgusting. But I suppose being tight wads is how they got rich. :lol

It's because our tax system is so skewed that 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes at all, and 90% of our taxes is paid by the top 10%. How is that fair? Unless you are born wealthy, people obtain wealth through hard work and taking risk. As Dave Ramsey says, there is no secret to wealth just hard work.
 
It's because our tax system is so skewed that 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes at all, and 90% of our taxes is paid by the top 10%. How is that fair? Unless you are born wealthy, people obtain wealth through hard work and taking risk.

Well said. I personally know some very wealthy people, and all of them are self made, very hardworking individuals. The kinds of people who's joy in life is their work, and their family is 2nd. That may not be the preferred lifestyle for most but for them it is, and that is why they are who they are. Now to have their hard ass earned money taxed to fund things that are out of their control, that is a hard one to swallow when thinking about all the sacrifices and ^^^^ that goes along with wealth. People think of wealth and automatically see parties and nothing but good times....yet that is because they are outside looking in, and that is for the most part what they want to see.

I dont think it is about "having enough" that you should not care if you're being taxed hundreds of thousands of dollars, money is money and sad to say but in our society money talks.
 
Well said. I personally know some very wealthy people, and all of them are self made, very hardworking individuals. The kinds of people who's joy in life is their work, and their family is 2nd. That may not be the preferred lifestyle for most but for them it is, and that is why they are who they are. Now to have their hard ass earned money taxed to fund things that are out of their control, that is a hard one to swallow when thinking about all the sacrifices and ^^^^ that goes along with wealth. People think of wealth and automatically see parties and nothing but good times....yet that is because they are outside looking in, and that is for the most part what they want to see.

I dont think it is about "having enough" that you should not care if you're being taxed hundreds of thousands of dollars, money is money and sad to say but in our society money talks.

If you are being taxed that much then you are making millions....it's all a matter of %'s. I do know that for the poor and middle class the $ they spend on taxes causes more of a sting than someone who is a wealthy. And I know several millionaires...I work for one....they do work hard but also see it as their duty to help out those less fortunate and are therefore voting for Obama. I also know millionaires that wouldn't give a dime to a starving child.....I was just brought up that there is more to life than just $$ - and those I know personally who are giving lead much happier lives.
Like others have said there needs to be some regulation if this economic plan ever sees the light of day. I do not believe in giving handouts to people who are not willing to make an effort and better themselves. Just as greed is bad, so is laziness. Neither is okay in my book.
 
If you are being taxed that much then you are making millions....it's all a matter of %'s. I do know that for the poor and middle class the $ they spend on taxes causes more of a sting than someone who is a wealthy. And I know several millionaires...I work for one....they do work hard but also see it as their duty to help out those less fortunate and are therefore voting for Obama. I also know millionaires that wouldn't give a dime to a starving child.....I was just brought up that there is more to life than just $$ - and those I know personally who are giving lead much happier lives.
Like others have said there needs to be some regulation if this economic plan ever sees the light of day. I do not believe in giving handouts to people who are not willing to make an effort and better themselves. Just as greed is bad, so is laziness. Neither is okay in my book.

Well said... I agree. :duff
 
Well to start with I think we should stop all foreign aid programs.Why should we give away money that this country can use to reduce our national debt and help our own country .We give away billions of dollars in aid every year none of which we see any return on.There are several nations we give money to that constantly go against us in the U.N.Use that money to help the poor ,uneducated and homeless here where we need it.Most of the nations we give aid to never see it because if the rebels don't steal it their own government does not the people who need it.Not sure who said this but I agree "charity begins at home".Another thing we spend billions of dollars on is illegal immigrants.We spend money housing ,feeding and incarcerating them when we could just send them home.If they want to come over here do it legally I have no problem with that.Everyone is entitled to try to make a better life for themselves and their families.Instead our government wants to just go ahead and make them legal and give them all kinds of benefits we have to work for.As far as social security change Congress and the Senates benefits to social security instead of giving them what they were making for the rest of their lives and see how quick they come up with a solution.Just my .02 cents .
 
I just don't understand the sentiment of those people that believe someone who busts their ass to put themselves through school graduates with $60,000 in student debt, gets a job making $90,000 should spread the wealth (if you want to call it that) they busted their ass for to someone who's only aspiration in life is to graduate high school and flip a burger for their entire life. There's nothing wrong with doing either but why should the richer of the two be penalized for being a success? There's obviously in inverse to this and it's very simplified but all this socialist talk drives me up the wall. Bottom line is my money should stick with me, I've worked for it and earned it, and if I want to help someone I'll help them. Don't take my money to help someone out just because you think it's fair that we share the wealth.
 
I just don't understand the sentiment of those people that believe someone who busts their ass to put themselves through school graduates with $60,000 in student debt, gets a job making $90,000 should spread the wealth (if you want to call it that) they busted their ass for to someone who's only aspiration in life is to graduate high school and flip a burger for their entire life. There's nothing wrong with doing either but why should the richer of the two be penalized for being a success? There's obviously in inverse to this and it's very simplified but all this socialist talk drives me up the wall. Bottom line is my money should stick with me, I've worked for it and earned it, and if I want to help someone I'll help them. Don't take my money to help someone out just because you think it's fair that we share the wealth.

Well spoken sir!! I agree...I have $86K in student debt and that's just dental school. My college was completely paid for by scholarships and The Hope scholarship. My parents didn't have the money to put me through school. I do give away money to charity every year. However, I do think that will have to stop. Especially if that tax calculator is correct. Brian Perdue, who is a friend of mine, that owns one of the biggest salon chains in Georgia was asked by the AJC who he was voting for. He says “Would you rather have a little bit of money that you are taking from me to give to somebody else, or would you rather I give them a job?” This is coming from one of the biggest philanthropists in Gwinnett County and was named the Pinnicle Business Person of the year last year. Everyone I know who owns a business is frightened about how much Obama is going to cost them, and whether they will have to cut jobs or not. It's sad but true.

Here is an excerpt from the article.

Slowdown means trimming excesses

Over the past two decades, Brian Perdue has expanded his wife’s hair stylist business into a small empire with five shops and more than 175 employees in Gwinnett County.
Monday, he’s opening a sixth shop in partnership with two former Deloitte & Touche consultants whom he has been mentoring for two years. The new shop, NiaNicole Salon, adds a new affiliate to complement Grayson-based 124 Group’s three brands, Salon 124, Genesis Salon and the Process Institute of Cosmetology.
But the 46-year-old president of 124 Group fears that tax increases for high-income individuals could crimp his plans for growth.
“What most people don’t understand is the profits from the company don’t go into the owner’s pocket. It’s reinvested back into the business,” Perdue said.
Such concerns have become a campaign staple for Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate, since Barack Obama’s famous encounter with a reluctant taxpayer who has come to be known as “Joe the plumber.”
Perdue, who is no relation to Gov. Sonny Perdue, said a tax increase on income over $250,000, as proposed by the Democratic presidential hopeful, would slow the growth of his business.
“Would you rather have a little bit of money that you are taking from me to give to somebody else, or would you rather I give them a job?” said Perdue, arguing that tax increases are “not the way to success.”
He said he’s not familiar with the two candidates’ health care proposals, but added that the high cost of employees’ medical coverage is a challenge.
“There’s only so much you can pass on to the customers in higher prices, so that is a big problem,” he said.
Perdue said his biggest worry, however, is the economic downturn.
“The one thing I cannot control is the economy, and I think we have gotten ourselves into a mess,” he said. It looks like it’s going to be the worst recession he’s seen since he went into business in 1991, he said. He added that he wouldn’t have chosen to open another salon now if he had known how severe the credit crunch was going to be.
Still, he’s confident that he’ll do OK and could even gain some market share if he concentrates on making his company more efficient.
“I’m very positive about it,” he said. “I get to actually slow down and work on the business.”

124 GROUP

> Founded: 1991

> Employees: 175-200

> Revenue: $5 million-$10 million

> Service: Operates hair salons and cosmetology school.
 
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