Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[YankeesFanboy]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

I don't think there's enough info or signs to suggest this film will fail. Other than Snyder directing, the Affleck casting, Gal as WW, and WB's track record, and WB playing catch up, I really don't think there's much to worry about. That new batmobile looks cool, right?

You're right, I misspoke. This thing is gonna be a surefire hit.

 

[batfan08]

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If this doesn't work, I think DC should try to create a cinematic multiverse, instead. No real continuity, you just let directors have their pick of the litter and choose which universe they want to play in. You want Superman as a Soviet in the '50s? Go right ahead. The JSA during World War II? Have fun. Just have a little subtitle at the beginning of each film designating it as "Earth 2" or "Earth 34" or whatever.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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If this doesn't work, I think DC should try to create a cinematic multiverse, instead. No real continuity, you just let directors have their pick of the litter and choose which universe they want to play in. You want Superman as a Soviet in the '50s? Go right ahead. The JSA during World War II? Have fun. Just have a little subtitle at the beginning of each film designating it as "Earth 2" or "Earth 34" or whatever.

That would be cool, but more confusing than the Pirates of the Caribbean 2 plot The general audience doesn't know what a multiverse is, and if you release a Superman film set in the 1950's as a soviet and then a JSA with a different actor playing Sups, this will be the result...

...is that what you want?

 

[Rorywan]

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Watch BvS become Watchmen 2.0 and we all get served a nice, tall glass of STFU.

Fixed that..

 

[batfan08]

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Watchmen was an awesome movie. I've really got to watch that again.

 

[chewblacca]

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With 3 years of development this movie should be fantastic. Then again the Star Wars prequels were every three years too.

 

[DiFabio]

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Other than Batman and Robin, none of the Batman films have been flops. I doubt a movie called Batman v. Superman is going to bomb at the box office, regardless of story, writing, etc.

Man of Steel did alright BO wise, even despite all of the negative critical reaction. Besides, even with the bad reviews this film still got green lit.

 

[GasparZizou]

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@Rorywan and Khev.

Spoiler

No. That's not a balanced view at all. Firstly you cannot compare Marvel characters to DC characters. There is a huge difference between the two tonally.

Yes it is, I was talking about specific things DC (and others) does, and Marvel Studios too, that only MS is praised for, things that don't necessarily have to do with characters' natures, like Green Lantern quality level movies on behalf of MS, like TIH, IM2 or 3, or mediocre movies like the Thor Movies, if DC or others release a movie that's not great, that's good but has flaws, i.e. Rises, you've seen what happens, not to mention the status Green Lantern enjoys here but people seem to coexist peaceful with those terrible to mediocre MS movies...

*******ization of the characters, MS has done a lot of that too, yet people have no problem with it, except maybe the Mandarin but now they like him too etc etc.

Bad costumes, the same.

You're right, there's a tonal difference indeed.

I'm neither a DC or a Marvel fanboy, I like both (at times).
DC characters for the most part were originated as non connecting stand alone Super Heroes. They do not "fit" well together in the same world. Batman is dark and realistic (especially since Warner generated the Nolan films), he didn't even have superpowers, that was the core of the character. There were no flying aliens in Batmans' world. Can you seriously imagine Ledger's joker and Wonder Woman in the same scene? Nope, major change of direction required to make some more cash.

Really? I see no conflict with the early versions of the characters interacting.

I actually can picture WW and Ledger's Joker together

Actually I can imagine Ledger Joker in a fully comicbook environment no problem.

Superman was idealistic and science fiction based. Lighter and positive, heroic. Didn't use weapons, had god like powers. The OPPOSITE in many ways to Batman's reality. What about Man of Steel? Why would the military have been freaking out at the prospect of this alien being, if there are mermaids and unicorns in the world?

Then you have all the other crazy characters. Wonder Woman? Invisible plane, truth lasso? Aqua? an underwater Mer-man?

These characters were never intended to exist together in the same world. When they were eventually brought together, they had to all change tonally to make any sense, or else be juxtaposed in a post modern way that was interesting. But here's the rub, Warner have been trying to make their Super heroes "realistic" for many years now. Nolan's TDK trilogy and then his much heralded re-invention of Superman for Synder's MOS. But...

But, they didn't really change tones because of the shared universe, they changed tones later on with the passage of time.

More serious, "realistic" stories have been told in the comics, and don't forget the tones of the stories and series does change.

Then The Avengers happened. Lots of crazy characters existing together in a crazy world where ANYTHING could happen. Iron Men, Norse gods, giant green Hulk's, it all made sense, why? because it walked a fine line of comedy and reality. It created it's own reality and it was genius, highly entertaining, colourful and funny. A complete reinvention of the genre. It took Marvel several steps to get there, they put the groundwork in and got the audience used to this heightened reality.

Ok, no argument there.

Warner have done just the opposite. Suddenly they needed their own Avengers, but without having to do the ground work. They should have just rebooted everything. Because as stupid as it was at times, even Man Of Steel's reality wouldn't have made sense with mer-man and the amazonian princess.

But they will be doing the ground work, that's what we know.

Also, I really have no problem with a "realistic" take or rather, a serious take on the Superhero genre, because it's not really realistic, it's just a realistic context, I've said it before, I don't want the same Marvel sitcom treatment for DC.

So, in many ways Snyder is perfect for this. The only way it will work is if it's like Watchmen. An action orientated blast of craziness that completely ignores whats gone before, otherwise it will be a disparate group of characters in a world that makes no sense.

I wouldn't mind if it was like Watchmen, all grand and epic with a heightened concept of what Superheroes are, after all DC's characters are archetypes.

Yet I still don't know what to expect of this DCCU.

Did they? I honestly let them have the final word because I didn't want to be "mean" and continue to dismantle their erroneous claims.

Arrrrgh my ego, y u bait me?

Our claims were supposed to be erroneous and hyperbolic, most of them anyway the same as the hyperbolic claims about MoS.

They really have no counter for the contrast between Thor's self-sacrifice vs. Kal-El's smugness. And "Thor and the Asgardians" most certainly are NOT responsible for bringing the Tesseract to Earth. That claim is outright absurd. One Asgardian might have been responsible. Maybe even Odin himself. But lumping in Thor because he's of the same civilization would be like me saying "Kal-El and the Kryptonians" killed millions of people. Huh? I guess "Captain America and the Nazis" were attacking Europe. You know, they were all humans right? Ridiculous.

We do, and the argument of the asgardians was supposed to be ridiculous, it's the equivalent of blaming Superman for everything, at least you noticed that

Ah, I was about to reply to the whole thing but I see you and Price went to end of it, great.

 

[GasparZizou]

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If this doesn't work, I think DC should try to create a cinematic multiverse, instead. No real continuity, you just let directors have their pick of the litter and choose which universe they want to play in. You want Superman as a Soviet in the '50s? Go right ahead. The JSA during World War II? Have fun. Just have a little subtitle at the beginning of each film designating it as "Earth 2" or "Earth 34" or whatever.

I would love if they just made movies of specific arcs like DC animation does.

 

[Rorywan]

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Watchmen was an awesome movie. I've really got to watch that again.

Yeah, I loved a lot of it as well. I hated some things.. but overall it was very successful.

 

[pturtle]

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Awesome evolution of the cinematic Batmen video.

 

[Russell1982]

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That was really cool, and the end made me chuckle. "What's up babe?"

 

[franpincho]

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Awesome evolution of the cinematic Batmen video.

Pretty cool vid, thx for sharing.

Hard (for me at least) not to be impartial towards the Burton films, but what Nolan did to revitalize this franchise after those two films is nothing short of amazing.

 

[spindrift]

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It will be HUGE- not Avengers HUGE but a major hit- and if it is actually a good-great film that would be nice!

 

[meanstreak]

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I think this film could easily be Avengers huge if they market it well and if it has overwhelmingly positive reviews.

 

[RIDDICK]

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[YankeesFanboy]

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Awesome evolution of the cinematic Batmen video.

"I'll get drive-through."

Jee-zuss.

Though Bale Bats did have a few howlers of his own.

 

[a-dev]

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Not sure at all how I'll feel if the film ends up in the region of this level of

-----------as per quote-------------------

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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"I'll get drive-through."

Jee-zuss.

Tell me about it - & the spot lighted duck lips too.

 

[RIDDICK]

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I really like that. It's very close to what I'd expect from live action BTAS.
And I just generally love when long dark introduction scenes interrupted by something silly yet natural.