Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[karamazov80]

Just in case people are wondering... That is an alternate future Flash that visits and warns Bruce in the vision. It's basically a cross between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Injustice. Flash won't look like that in JUSTICE LEAGUE.

Thanks. Very interesting move, because 99% of the audience is going to be pretty baffled by it, though of course, assuming things pan out as intended, it will have a payoff down the road.

 

[GasparZizou]

That's true, Eisenberg was an excellent villain and his performance was great imo, but he was a terrible Lex Luthor.

The character was an amalgam of Luthor and the Riddler, he would've been the definitive Riddler or even a great Joker, hell, as Sivana he would've been pretty good too.

I mean the Luthor core is there, but the outside of the character, mannerisms, etc was no Luthor.

 

[WWEJedi]

I saw it in it's entirety with the family. I absolutely hated it.

I will never see this movie again.

I say give it another chance.

It's a disjointed mess. There are like 6-7 elements running throughout this thing, which would be fine on their own if it was allowed to breathe. You have,

- a sequel to Man of Steel
- a solo Batman story
- a Batman vs. Superman story
- a cool apocalyptic "Mad Max" future Batman movie
- an adaptation to the Dark Knight Returns
- an adaptation to The Death of Superman
- little advertisements for the Justice League
- Wonder Woman

It's a cluster ****. I was getting frustrated sitting there because there is zero flow. The editing from scene to scene makes no sense whatsoever. One minute we're following Batman on his crusade to take down Superman, then they stuff a random plot about a bullet from that Africa scene into it. This movie made me feel retarded because I was struggling to follow it.

I agree. Although I enjoyed this movie and the more I think about it the more I like it... I thought these issues of scene jumping cleared up in the second half of the movie. I think if someone makes a different cut and delete some scenes... it has the potential to truly be a great film.

The sadistic jar of piss? That could be suspenseful in another movie.

I thought that was an awesome touch. The scene I thought was stupid, ended up being good.

There are some great moments throughout that are worth seeing. I LOVED the Mad Max "Knightmare" sequence where Batman and his crew go to make the exchange with the soldiers with the Kryptonite, but they end up being tricked when it's just a little green light. Batman's reaction and the fight that results is interpreting is great . . . for another movie.

I agree, the more I think about, the more I think this should be an end credit or just added onto the blu-ray. Would be awesome to see an entire movie set in that world.

Then the next scene plays and it sucks you right out of the thing and you don't know where you are. You don't care where you are. The pacing for this movie is ****ing horrible. Remember when Batman and Superman are getting ready to duke it out? What does it do? We're introduced to another subplot involving the Kryptonian magic ship and Zod's corpse with Luthor acting like some kind of witch doctor. THEN we go to Diana and her ****ing laptop watching scenes from the Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg movies. Then we're at Kansas where Martha is closing the diner and gets abducted. JUST get to Batman's "hunt" and trap for Superman. That could have been a great scene if I actually cared about everything leading up to it.

This movie kills it's own momentum. I though that WW scene with the Justice League files should have been showed after she drives off with the drive. Have her crack the encryption, show the clips, and then it flows much better. As I said before, this movie has potential if edited correctly.

That should have been the climax of the movie, not Doomsday and the Death of Superman.

I disagree. To much would have been left open ended. Plus, although the fight was CGI garbage, the fight was enjoyable to watch.

The third act isn't how I would have ended it. Doomsday was completely unnecessary and doesn't fit what the movie established itself as in the beginning. This should have been a Batman and Superman movie, PERIOD. I don't care for the Cavill Superman since I don't like MoS, but he got the short end of the stick here. They ****ed Cavill's superman over pretty hard. He doesn't have any great scenes, he never gets to speak his piece of mind. He never gets to defend himself or prove his worth. He gets blamed for everything. Batman kicks his ass. And he dies. Cavill is wooden as ****, but like this movie itself, there's a Clark Kent/Superman in him that's worth seeing. I know if there was material for him he could do it.

Eh, I don't care. He will come back in Justice League.

I don't know if it was the editing or what

It was the editing

 

[GasparZizou]

So that was all inspired by a videogame? Interesting. Thanks for the insight. Any thoughts about the character? It wasn't the same Flash cast as Barry Allen though, was it? Pretty serious forecasting in that they were apparently referencing things that won't happen way down the road in other movies.

It is the same guy, Ezra Miller. And that future could happen still.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

DiFabio, you just mind****ed me.[emoji38]OK. I'm going to leave the thread and sleep on it, then make up my mind on the morning.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That is an alternate future Flash that visits and warns Bruce in the vision.

 

[Ropen]

Why is everyone bashing Snyder? Does everyone forget the executive producers are Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas? This is practically their movie, edits, cuts, music, sound all depending on funding they allow. So who's to blame?


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[karamazov80]

It is the same guy, Ezra Miller. And that future could happen still.

Too bad. I was hoping it was alternate reality Flash, who was another character altogether. Which of course, opens the doors for Earth 2, 3, S, Prime, etc.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Why is everyone bashing Snyder? Does everyone forget the executive producers are Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas? This is practically their movie, edits, cuts, music, sound all depending on funding they allow. So who's to blame?


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Nolan had nothing to do with this film....he's gone man.

 

[WWEJedi]

Why is everyone bashing Snyder? Does everyone forget the executive producers are Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas? This is practically their movie, edits, cuts, music, sound all depending on funding they allow. So who's to blame?

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Snyder. It is Snyder's movie, not Nolan's.

 

[Ropen]

But producers have way more pull than anything they are the ones who chose directors since they find everything for the movie. It's just Snyder's vision but we all know Nolan pulls the strings


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[WWEJedi]

But producers have way more pull than anything they are the ones who chose directors since they find everything for the movie. It's just Snyder's vision but we all know Nolan pulls the strings


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Nolan did nothing on this movie. I thought they just slapped him on there as a favor or something

 

[IrishJedi]

Too bad. I was hoping it was alternate reality Flash, who was another character altogether. Which of course, opens the doors for Earth 2, 3, S, Prime, etc.

They may go there, actually. Then again, maybe not. If people can't handle non-sequential editing and short scenes of potential alternate futures I shudder to think what the Multiverse might do.

I do know one idea that Geoff Johns brought forth (that's still potentially on the table) is the Multiverse (several alternate realities that can intertwine). While that could be potential for a big mess, if designed right (by EVERYONE) it could work. You could even potentially make the movies and the Flash/Green Lantern/Legends of Tomorrow TV shows part of the same canon. Meaning, you COULD theoretically have different Barry Allens in separate Alternate Earths. DC has done this in their comics throughout history. The problem, though, is that every time it inevitably gets so muddy that they have to reboot the comic universe, too.

 

[GasparZizou]

Zach Snyder somehow made this a good movie and a flawed movie. Yet, he should not be allowed to direct another DC comic film again. The definition of direct is "without intervening factors or intermediaries." Zach does not know this. Let him work the camera, have some scenes, and have him maybe be a consultant of sorts. I don’t know, but please leave him out of the direction of the movie. That is BvSs biggest issue. Scenes that don't flow. Scenes that cut to something else every minute. Scenes that are used over and over again. Scenes that fell misplaced and interrupt momentum. Scenes that are entirely unnecessary to the plot and yet are thrown in for unknown reasons.

This pretty much.

I think this is impossible but would be ideal, I would like to see his vision realize with him on board but not him behind the wheel, I was thinking exactly this, keep him as a consultant of sorts, because some shots are gorgeous and unparalleled, I'm talking about the wire-work/VFS combination and even some of the metaphorical shots, not the full CGI action.

So, say, a George Miller/Snyder collaboration would be amazing.

No one laughed, clapped, or cheered at all in my theater. Everyone wanted to get out pretty quick. Overall feel of disappointment in the theater.

This wasn't the case for me. I went to 3 screenings and in all 3, people laughed at the jokes, cheered at WW and people legitimately sobbed at Supes' death.

I did read the rest of your review, I agree on some and disagree on others but that's just minor stuff about preference so didn't feel like addressing it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nolan did nothing on this movie. I thought they just slapped him on there as a favor or something

Yeah, Snyder called Nolan asking him if he could use Batman in the film as gesture of respect ..I guess, and Nolan's response was, "I don't own the character..." Nolan was in involve in this film.

 

[WWEJedi]

They may go there, actually. Then again, maybe not. If people can't handle non-sequential editing and short scenes of potential alternate futures I shudder to think what the Multiverse might do.

I do know one idea that Geoff Johns brought forth (that's still potentially on the table) is the Multiverse (several alternate realities that can intertwine). While that could be potential for a big mess, if designed right (by EVERYONE) it could work. You could even potentially make the movies and the Flash/Green Lantern/Legends of Tomorrow TV shows part of the same canon. Meaning, you COULD theoretically have different Barry Allens in separate Alternate Earths.

So... do you know the reason why the Knightmare scene was even in the movie? Aside from the Injustice ties... it just seems pointless to me for that to be a build up to JL as a "what if?" To me, the build up to JL was with the JL files, not this scene. I liked the scene, but it just disrupted the flow of the movie.

(Note, I am not looking to argue, just a question )

 

[karamazov80]

I don't think it is intrinsically problematic to do that kind of story. But yeah, you would definitely have to do it the right way. A movie is a medium that can't be handled the same way that a comic limited series or a TV series can be done. So obviously, you can't have the same level of detail and complexity that you get in Crisis on Infinite Earths. But I thought the animated DTV Crisis on Two Earths story was extremely well done.

This wasn't the case for me. I went to 3 screenings and in all 3, people laughed at the jokes, cheered at WW and people legitimately sobbed at Supes' death.

No observable response in my screening, one way or the other.

 

[SNIKT1950]

So that was all inspired by a videogame? Interesting. Thanks for the insight. Any thoughts about the character? It wasn't the same Flash cast as Barry Allen though, was it? Pretty serious forecasting in that they were apparently referencing things that won't happen way down the road in other movies.

I really dig the idea of them going a route that nobody (including myself) would have expected. Its the Breaking Bad approach to Supes. Everyone expects a straightforward team up film where Supes leads the pack but ironically Batman unites the seven to fight Supes.

Can't ****ing wait for JLA.

 

[GasparZizou]

They may go there, actually. Then again, maybe not. If people can't handle non-sequential editing and short scenes of potential alternate futures I shudder to think what the Multiverse might do.

I do know one idea that Geoff Johns brought forth (that's still potentially on the table) is the Multiverse (several alternate realities that can intertwine). While that could be potential for a big mess, if designed right (by EVERYONE) it could work. You could even potentially make the movies and the Flash/Green Lantern/Legends of Tomorrow TV shows part of the same canon. Meaning, you COULD theoretically have different Barry Allens in separate Alternate Earths. DC has done this in their comics throughout history. The problem, though, is that every time it inevitably gets so muddy that they have to reboot the comic universe, too.

This. They're doing this, and I want.

Too bad. I was hoping it was alternate reality Flash, who was another character altogether. Which of course, opens the doors for Earth 2, 3, S, Prime, etc.

I'm pretty sure this universe is going full Injustice and it's going to end with a Flashpoint paradox of sorts.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

They may go there, actually. Then again, maybe not. If people can't handle non-sequential editing and short scenes of potential alternate futures I shudder to think what the Multiverse might do.

I do know one idea that Geoff Johns brought forth (that's still potentially on the table) is the Multiverse (several alternate realities that can intertwine). While that could be potential for a big mess, if designed right (by EVERYONE) it could work. You could even potentially make the movies and the Flash/Green Lantern/Legends of Tomorrow TV shows part of the same canon. Meaning, you COULD theoretically have different Barry Allens in separate Alternate Earths. DC has done this in their comics throughout history. The problem, though, is that every time it inevitably gets so muddy that they have to reboot the comic universe, too.

Since you know so much about the film. Can you confirm if Nolan was in any way involved with the film?