Just in case people are wondering... That is an alternate future Flash that visits and warns Bruce in the vision. It's basically a cross between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Injustice. Flash won't look like that in JUSTICE LEAGUE.
I really dig the idea of them going a route that nobody (including myself) would have expected. Its the Breaking Bad approach to Supes. Everyone expects a straightforward team up film where Supes leads the pack but ironically Batman unites the seven to fight Supes.
Yeah, no one thought of that, Injustice is frowned upon by comicbook fans, including myself, so everybody forgot that it's actually probably the most successful series going on since the game launched... It makes total sense for them to go on that route.
So... do you know the reason why the Knightmare scene was even in the movie? Aside from the Injustice ties... it just seems pointless to me for that to be a build up to JL as a "what if?" To me, the build up to JL was with the JL files, not this scene. I liked the scene, but it just disrupted the flow of the movie.
(Note, I am not looking to argue, just a question )
I know the concept was there very early on, but was originally going to happen toward the end of the film. In the end I think everyone just thought it was too cool (and also gave a good direct/visceral glimpse into Bruce's fear of Superman) to leave out.
BTW, the scene in which Batman visits Lex in his cell was going to be a post-credits stinger, but WB nixed the idea because they felt people would think they were just copying Marvel. So it was cut back into the movie to show why Bruce "Has a feeling" that something bad is coming.
The question is... Does Lex know about Darkseid via the Kryptonian Archives on the ship... or has he somehow known of his existence all along?
Well it's confusing for a few reasons--the audience doesn't know it isn't just a dream, the audience doesn't know it's Flash (I couldn't even tell it was the same actor, and I had seen pics of him--I assumed it was because I have read Crisis multiple times), and the audience doesn't know that alternative futures can exist. So it is necessarily confusing unless you know significantly more than the typical, even reasonably informed moviegoer.
I think this is impossible but would be ideal, I would like to see his vision realize with him on board but not him behind the wheel, I was thinking exactly this, keep him as a consultant of sorts, because some shots are gorgeous and unparalleled, I'm talking about the wire-work/VFS combination and even some of the metaphorical shots, not the full CGI action.
So, say, a George Miller/Snyder collaboration would be amazing.
I agree completely. Snyder ruined this movie, but then he saved this at the same time. He needs to be fired as a director, but kept on in another role.
This wasn't the case for me. I went to 3 screenings and in all 3, people laughed at the jokes, cheered at WW and people legitimately sobbed at Supes' death.
Yeah, Snyder called Nolan asking him if he could use Batman in the film as gesture of respect ..I guess, and Nolan's response was, "I don't own the character..." Nolan was in involve in this film.
I know the concept was there very early on, but was originally going to happen toward the end of the film. In the end I think everyone just thought it was too cool (and also have a good direct glimpse into Bruce's fear of Superman) to leave out.
BTW, the scene in which Batman visits Lex in his cell was going to be a post-credits stinger, but WB nixed the idea because they felt people would think they were just copying Marvel. So it was cut back into the movie to show why Bruce "Has a feeling" that something bad is coming.
The question is... Does Lex know about Darkseid via the Kryptonian Archives on the ship... or has he somehow known of his all along?
He's known all along. His rant after Batman leaves pretty much suggests his whole agenda in the film came from some pre-BvS encounter of sorts with Darkseid.
All I took away from this is that I want to see the solo Batman movie. They can forget about the rest of this universe. I didn't dislike this movie but it definitely was no masterpiece. There was way too much going on and it was all over the place. Too many elements in the movie with too little explanation.
Also, the dream sequence with Batman being captured by Superman works very well, to me, as a pure nightmarish fear of what could happen. And it seems surreal, with Batman wearing an unnecessary trench coat, the wacky flying bugs (who I actually observed were like Parademons. . .), the fascist Superman army, etc. Hearing that it's an alternate future puts a totally different spin on it. But I don't know if that makes it better or worse.
Whew....you're right about that. Thankfully the wife put the kid to sleep because I hit a wall.
I liked batfan's review but all movies boil down to being subjective, we then take that piece of subjective art and thru our internal emotional interpretation we make it an objective truth for ourselves....you know..the whole it's good or it's bad thing.
So yeah, if you hated it or liked it, you have your own very personal reasons for it and you are 100% right on the mark FOR YOURSELF.
No one is WRONG or RIGHT here, your opinion is true and accurate for yourself.
So, did I like or hate it.
I'll tell you what, i'm still thinking about it very heavily that's for certain.
I agree... I don't know if all its issues can be fixed with an extended cut... But it can be helped. Hell perhaps it can fix the problems. It would not be the first time it's happened.
I thought it dragged just a tad. It could have used another action scene in the earlier part of the film to help it along... OR just get rid of most of the dream sequences.
WW should've never been shown in the trailers, WB got scared.
100% agree... I cant imagine how pumped I would have been when she showed up for the fight.. I would have lost it. As is it was still great but WB ruined the surprise. WB screwed the pooch period with that trailer. FU WBs
Very powerful opening! I'll say it again, very powerful opening with the MOS tie in.
Opening was brilliant... Better then MOS all by itself
Lex was terrifying at certain times, not as bad as I was expecting. Intelligence can be just as intimidating as physical strength. Intelligence mixed with psychotic sociopathic behavior can be terrifying. I liked how olbertfrog described this Lex, I see the same thing, the same motivations, just needs to flesh out some more.
Agree once again 100% He was not bad at all. Terrifying is a good way to put it. I hated him but in all the right ways.
Tradition continues,
Lex finds his way into Superman's property once again. In a way it bugged me but I guess LexCorp representing the military/tech industrial complex it works....I guess
When Doomsday first showed up I was worried. I was having trouble getting into it. But then WW showed up and all three got involved and I turned into a nerd geek boy and loved it.
I just mentioned the same thing.. I will say it again... His killing did not bother me. It was not as cold blooded as I feared.
Batman fighting was indeed bad ass and brutal but if some people had a hard time with the shaky cam in WS wait until they see this. But definately the BEST Batman fighting style on film, period!
I liked him a lot. I thought he was much more involved then any other Alfred because it showed him working with Batman and working on things like the Batmobile. Might be my fav Alfred.
How dafuq am I going to explain to my wife why those flying Attack of the Clones bugs are in this movie, FML! Extended cut will have to flesh some of that stuff out for regular people to understand lol.
I liked her fine. She was a highlight in a film with lots of highlights. I loved her anytime she was in her WW outfit
her lasso scene was NOT as impressive as I was hoping it would be, another example of DC's rush job playing catch up. I believe that can be rectified on the extended cut.
I liked that moment.. I thought it was great because it was the time we got to see all three work together in what was a believable way... She used her lasso, Bats used his Kryto bomb and Superman used the Krypto spear to win the battle.. Great stuff IMO
Thought all the themes were good.. WW probably was the most adrenaline pushing.. I started liking the Superman theme in MOS when he saved the kids on the school bus. I like it and liked how it was used a lot in this film. Batman's theme was cool but hard to pick out at times.
when the capital was blown up. I mentioned it already but I thought that one quiet moment of seeing superman standing there unharmed with that expression of multiple feeling was brilliant and summed up Superman's struggles perfectly. Loved it. This was better in Every way compared to AOU.. Sorry bud... Doomsday is not the Abomination.. AOU is
That being said, nothing in BvS trinity matched the triple attack on Ultron by Vision/Thor/IM! Sorry trinity.
While I would say that shot in AOU was a highlight.. I still liked
Bats, Superman, and WW working together in that final part (with the lasso etc.. ) It pumped me up more... Probably because it was a part of a what I saw as a better film.
This movie doesn't destroy BB/TDK, those 2 still kick ass.
Much better then MOS... MOS is a 4 out of 10 to me. This is a 7 out of 10. I thought Superman was so much better in this film and was a good representation of the hero we all know. He is still finding his way but it was done so much better then MOS. All the Daily Planet characters were better. Just a better film all around. At the same time BvS is not perfect but I was without question entertained.
GO SEE IT!
STOP WORRYING AND GO SEE IT! BATMAN is in this, how can you NOT go see it!
Bottom line for me.....
THIS MOVIE DID NOT SUCK, THIS MOVIE IS NOT A DISASTER!
FOR ME....that's my objective truth!
Going again tonight!
Come at me brahs
Yep go see this. But go with low expectations like I did... I think that helped. I am hoping that repeat viewings don't lessen the film. Perhaps the R rated cut will prevent that from ever happening.
What I was most surprised by is that I thought this was a better MOS sequel then a Batman origin movie. I loved Superman in this one. I loved Batman also but I was shocked to find myself really involved in Superman's story. Again, not a perfect film but not a crap fest either.
Anyways Jye.... We really seem to agree on this one... I would say that makes us right and anyone who disagrees is wrong
Oh my goodness [emoji24][emoji24][emoji24] if you have a chance relay to Snyder he did a good job and let the numbers speak for himself. I'm sure he already knows that, both times people reacted to this movie at all times I even heard claps after the batmobile chase and batman scenes, people will like this time will tell.
Well it's confusing for a few reasons--the audience doesn't know it isn't just a dream, the audience doesn't know it's Flash (I couldn't even tell it was the same actor, and I had seen pics of him--I assumed it was because I have read Crisis multiple times), and the audience doesn't know that alternative futures can exist. So it is necessarily confusing unless you know significantly more than the typical, even reasonably informed moviegoer.
i thought it was Martian man hunter . The Flash didn't even crack the top three . It really was an utterly useless scene and devalued Batmans detective skills .
I know the concept was there very early on, but was originally going to happen toward the end of the film. In the end I think everyone just thought it was too cool (and also have a good direct glimpse into Bruce's fear of Superman) to leave out.
BTW, the scene in which Batman visits Lex in his cell was going to be a post-credits stinger, but WB nixed the idea because they felt people would think they were just copying Marvel. So it was cut back into the movie to show why Bruce "Has a feeling" that something bad is coming.
The question is... Does Lex know about Darkseid via the Kryptonian Archives on the ship... or has he somehow known of his all along?
As I said before, I think the Knightmare sequence should have been an end-credit scene. I really liked the scene and loved the suit. I just wish it was placed differently.
I am glad they kept the Batman visit's Lex scene. I liked it. It makes sense as why Batman has a "feeling" and it really takes away the need for the Knightmare sequence in a sense.
Another question if you don't mind.... Did WB have a big influence over Snyder? Was there any tension? Did they keep adding and taking out scenes?
The Knightmare sequence doesn't work unless it is a transmission from the future. Its too specific to be a random dream which is why it clearly isn't. The Flash transmission later on pretty much confirms it was no dream.
That's true, Eisenberg was an excellent villain and his performance was great imo, but he was a terrible Lex Luthor.
The character was an amalgam of Luthor and the Riddler, he would've been the definitive Riddler or even a great Joker, hell, as Sivana he would've been pretty good too.
I mean the Luthor core is there, but the outside of the character, mannerisms, etc was no Luthor.
All I took away from this is that I want to see the solo Batman movie. They can forget about the rest of this universe. I didn't dislike this movie but it definitely was no masterpiece. There was way too much going on and it was all over the place. Too many elements in the movie with too little explanation.
I do agree that one disadvantage this film had was the corporate edict to get to JUSTICE LEAGUE asap. I still firmly agree that they didn't need to do a bunch of solo films before JL, but one more movie of world-building in between would have helped, I think. SUICIDE SQUAD doesn't count, as it's pretty self-contained (though this Batman is in it) and WONDER WOMAN is a period piece and prequel.
I loved Lex as a villain but didn't care for hims as "Lex Luthor", anyway, at the end, him going autistic with the "ding ding ding ding He's coming ding ding ding" and seeing the ****ing painting upside down with the demons coming from above was waaaaay more frightening and menacing that anything related to foreshadowing Thanos, including seeing Thanos himself, Darkseid is legitimately scary and I haven't even seen him yet.
Too specific how? The thing about dreams is that they feel real, but are often surreal and exaggerated, having a bizarre logic of their own. I felt it perfectly fit that criteria.
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Nolan was in involve in this film.
