Episode VIII has just been pushed back 7 months to Dec. 15, 2017

[markecho]

Not trying to troll on this thread because this news is also on other sites, but how is a movie that will be released a year and a half from now being delayed 7 months called news?!

I'm a SW fan and something like this doesn't bother me at all. Not sure what all the hubbub is about.

 

[SpaceCrawler]

Going to TFA and bi***ing about it being like ANH is like going to a Rocky movie and bi***ing about there being another fight. There is a certain level of formula involved in sequels. It's not an evil thing. [snip] I'm so glad Star Wars came out in 1977 so I could watch it with an open mind and some imagination and no internet pseudo-critics telling me how awful it it because it was sort of like something else.Call me a sheep.

Star Wars was very much like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, etc, and everyone knew it and talked about it in reviews and film schools, books, magazines, etc. Not to mention Seven Samurai, Hidden Fortress and all the other films/stories/books that Lucas lifted from. The references to Star Wars' roots and inspirations are ENDLESS and VERY well documented, and were long before the internet existed. But Star Wars was well done and masked the influences effectively enough. So no one cared. There was enough originality to sustain it as it's own unique work. The TFA was derivative of Star Wars itself. Almost a direct copy of the first film. Which was the intention- it was a reboot to introduce nearly identical characters to carry on the "franchise" for another generation of movie goers.

And everyone hating on JJ and Disney for making a film that they know will be popular is asinine. Yes, I'd rather have more money in the bank than less money and a useless trophy or title.

No one was hating on anyone for making a movie that will make money. Please actually understand the critique- people were disappointed with the poor writing, reliance on gimmicks, and the re-make aspect of TFA, ONLY for the sake of making money rather than also wanting to make a quality film that was original. THAT is the problem- the lazy way the film was approached, as mere reboot material for a "franchi$e" that was guaranteed to make money as long as you talked about "practical effects" and showed shots that reminded us of the first film. THAT is why the greed is critiqued, because it was the prime motivating factor. It's like if the Beatles got back together to do EDM music or something.

In any case, no one says you can't enjoy the films. At the same time people shouldn't say we can't critique them. Which is what many are saying. After all, critique got Lucas to stop making bad films, right? So it can do some good. Hopefully he has no input in Indiana Jones 5.

Sean

 

[Roders]

Not trying to troll on this thread because this news is also on other sites, but how is a movie that will be released a year and a half from now being delayed 7 months called news?!

I'm a SW fan and something like this doesn't bother me at all. Not sure what all the hubbub is about.

You can't understand how the sequel to one of the biggest movies in history (which had a cliffhanger ending) being pushed back 7 whole months is news? I... I don't know what to tell you.

 

[DiFabio]

Disney and the filmmakers probably need more time to take in more viewings of Empire Strikes Back to prepare for Episode 8.

 

[DARTH-THRASHER]

Let's be honest folks. The criticism that TFA is too much like ANH is only the beginning...

The film was ripe with coincidences, one event leading to another. It diminished the ending to ROTJ. It's as though that film was unnecessary. Rebels is rebranded as the Resistance, and the Empire is rebranded as the First Order. The scenes on Yavin and the plan to destroy the superweapon were very dull. The dialogue between Han and Leia was like something they tell you NOT to do at your first screenwriters class. Are they really going to sum up why they've been separated from each other after so many years, just so the audience can hear it? Also, how does one go from saving the galaxy to being a petty criminal again? Han Solo was written as an old sentimental goof that others had to take up slack for, rather than being the quirky but great gunslinger/pilot from the OT. The TFA writers could have taken a lesson from Timothy Zahn. Wasn't buying the sudden obsession that Finn had to save Rey five minutes after he was ready to depart. Snoke was basically a giant Gollum or something out of Harry Potter. Captain Phasma was hollow eye candy. Rey and certainly Finn appeared to have acquired dueling techniques very quickly, especially when matched against Kylo Ren, who obviously was dedicated to the task and a confirmed blood decendant of Anakin/Leia. Not much fuss was kicked up around Han Solo's death after it happened. Nobody consoled Chewie and he seemed to bounce back rather quickly. At least Padme got a funeral. R2-D2 on the other hand was completely distraught and shuts down for years after a bunch of padawans were killed and Luke went into exile.

There was some good dialogue and humorous moments, however, BB8 flicking a lighter and Chewbacca reacting to Han's BSing isn't going to make the movie timeless. Where are the mythological themes? What new ideas did it present other than having a diverse cast?

 

[DARTH-THRASHER]

Star Wars was very much like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, etc, and everyone knew it and talked about it in reviews and film schools, books, magazines, etc. Not to mention Seven Samurai, Hidden Fortress and all the other films/stories/books that Lucas lifted from. The references to Star Wars' roots and inspirations are ENDLESS and VERY well documented, and were long before the internet existed. But Star Wars was well done and masked the influences effectively enough. So no one cared. There was enough originality to sustain it as it's own unique work. The TFA was derivative of Star Wars itself. Almost a direct copy of the first film. Which was the intention- it was a reboot to introduce nearly identical characters to carry on the "franchise" for another generation of movie goers.

 

[DARTH-THRASHER]

Disney and the filmmakers probably need more time to take in more viewings of Empire Strikes Back to prepare for Episode 8.

I hear there will be a big climax that reveals who Rey's parents really are. In addition to saving Luke's lightsaber, Maz also saved the original pregnancy test dipstick that Rey's mother used. The movie ends on a cliff with Maz extending the dipstick to Rey, but you have to wait until Episode IX to know where the dipstick came from...

 

[FlyAndFight]

Disney and the filmmakers probably need more time to take in more viewings of Empire Strikes Back to prepare for Episode 8.

 

[davejames]

No one was hating on anyone for making a movie that will make money. Please actually understand the critique- people were disappointed with the poor writing, reliance on gimmicks, and the re-make aspect of TFA, ONLY for the sake of making money rather than also wanting to make a quality film that was original. THAT is the problem- the lazy way the film was approached, as mere reboot material for a "franchi$e" that was guaranteed to make money as long as you talked about "practical effects" and showed shots that reminded us of the first film. THAT is why the greed is critiqued, because it was the prime motivating factor. It's like if the Beatles got back together to do EDM music or something.

Oh please, you may not like the homages to the original films, but anyone who read the dozens of interviews with JJ and Kasdan could see that this was a movie they both felt very passionately about and wanted to get as right as possible. And that they were not simply cashing a paycheck here.

And JJ provided a perfectly credible explanation for why they wanted to follow the basic structure of the original movie as well (again, whether you like that explanation or not).

Yeah obviously Disney was looking to make a boatload of money when they purchased SW from Lucas, but this idea that JJ was under orders to make a "safe remake of ANH" just seems silly. As if they weren't going to rake in billions of dollars from the movie no matter WHAT the story was.

 

[LipSmack]

This is news? did anyone honestly think they were gunna make the May date?

 

[SpaceCrawler]

Oh please, you may not like the homages to the original films, but anyone who read the dozens of interviews with JJ and Kasdan could see that this was a movie they both felt very passionately about and wanted to get as right as possible. And that they were not simply cashing a paycheck here.

And JJ provided a perfectly credible explanation for why they wanted to follow the basic structure of the original movie as well (again, whether you like that explanation or not).

Yeah obviously Disney was looking to make a boatload of money when they purchased SW from Lucas, but this idea that JJ was under orders to make a "safe remake of ANH" just seems silly. As if they weren't going to rake in billions of dollars from the movie no matter WHAT the story was.

No one said anyone was under "direct orders". I'm talking about the path of least resistance. When you have a "franchise" guaranteed to make millions of dollars then not much effort goes into making it good, OR risking things by making it original. Especially these days when an original story, when complex or unique writing and ideas are not looked upon fondly by audiences or studio heads. Sorry, but the fact remains- TFA was a Star Wars remake- because the poorly received prequels almost killed the "franchise". TFA was made to introduce the franchise to a new generation of wallets, er, fans in the safest way possible - being an almost direct remake of the original film. Simple. To deny this is absurd.

And JJ's explanation of why the film was a direct remake of Star Wars was evident that TFA was direct remake of Star Wars.

I love the comment above that someone made- the delay with episode VIII is due to allowing the writers more time watching Empire Strikes Back.


Sean

 

[JAL4U2C]

Let's be honest folks. The criticism that TFA is too much like ANH is only the beginning...

The film was ripe with coincidences, one event leading to another. It diminished the ending to ROTJ. It's as though that film was unnecessary. Rebels is rebranded as the Resistance, and the Empire is rebranded as the First Order. The scenes on Yavin and the plan to destroy the superweapon were very dull. The dialogue between Han and Leia was like something they tell you NOT to do at your first screenwriters class. Are they really going to sum up why they've been separated from each other after so many years, just so the audience can hear it? Also, how does one go from saving the galaxy to being a petty criminal again? Han Solo was written as an old sentimental goof that others had to take up slack for, rather than being the quirky but great gunslinger/pilot from the OT. The TFA writers could have taken a lesson from Timothy Zahn. Wasn't buying the sudden obsession that Finn had to save Rey five minutes after he was ready to depart. Snoke was basically a giant Gollum or something out of Harry Potter. Captain Phasma was hollow eye candy. Rey and certainly Finn appeared to have acquired dueling techniques very quickly, especially when matched against Kylo Ren, who obviously was dedicated to the task and a confirmed blood decendant of Anakin/Leia. Not much fuss was kicked up around Han Solo's death after it happened. Nobody consoled Chewie and he seemed to bounce back rather quickly. At least Padme got a funeral. R2-D2 on the other hand was completely distraught and shuts down for years after a bunch of padawans were killed and Luke went into exile.

There was some good dialogue and humorous moments, however, BB8 flicking a lighter and Chewbacca reacting to Han's BSing isn't going to make the movie timeless. Where are the mythological themes? What new ideas did it present other than having a diverse cast?

You forgot that the whole premise was to search for Luke who went into hiding yet made a map so people could find him.

 

[Wor-Gar]

You forgot that the whole premise was to search for Luke who went into hiding yet made a map so people could find him.

That was the silly part. But the ICE planet that remains frozen even when it sucks up FIRE from the sun was sheer brilliance.

 

[DARTH-THRASHER]

You forgot that the whole premise was to search for Luke who went into hiding yet made a map so people could find him.

 

[Darth_IMPoor]

No one said anyone was under "direct orders". I'm talking about the path of least resistance. When you have a "franchise" guaranteed to make millions of dollars then not much effort goes into making it good, OR risking things by making it original. Especially these days when an original story, when complex or unique writing and ideas are not looked upon fondly by audiences or studio heads. Sorry, but the fact remains- TFA was a Star Wars remake- because the poorly received prequels almost killed the "franchise". TFA was made to introduce the franchise to a new generation of wallets, er, fans in the safest way possible - being an almost direct remake of the original film. Simple. To deny this is absurd.

And JJ's explanation of why the film was a direct remake of Star Wars was evident that TFA was direct remake of Star Wars.

I love the comment above that someone made- the delay with episode VIII is due to allowing the writers more time watching Empire Strikes Back.


Sean

It's nice to see someone with the arguably minority opinion debate without getting nasty or personal. As a few members have observed, the tone of the boards has gotten a lot more combative lately. I agree. But you stated your side and have been cool about it. It's refreshing.

 

[trenken]

Words can't describe my sadness... Well, we're def getting Kylo DX now.

Always were regardless. Lol

 

[Natedog]

That was the silly part. But the ICE planet that remains frozen even when it sucks up FIRE from the sun was sheer brilliance.

Not to mention that every planet in the system still had light and heat afterwards as well!

As far as EPVIII being delayed, I'm fine with it since that's when I though it was coming out anyways. Trilogy movies in Dec and stand-alone movies in May. I though that was the plan all along.

 

[WWEJedi]

That was the silly part. But the ICE planet that remains frozen even when it sucks up FIRE from the sun was sheer brilliance.

 

[Ultimate Weapon]

You forgot that the whole premise was to search for Luke who went into hiding yet made a map so people could find him.

It's not a map to Luke or that was made by Luke so others could find him. It's a map to the first known Jedi Temples and as Han Solo states "People who knew Luke, think he might have gone to look for them." So it was the best place to try and find him, but of course no one had the complete map to do so.

Somewhere it was confirmed/stated that the map to the first Jedi Temples which they are attempting to piece together was originally downloaded by R2 from the Imperial Mainframe while aboard the Death Star in the scene where Obi-wan says "He'll be able to plug into the entire Imperial Network."

The movie did not do a good job parsing out this detail and unfortunately makes it too easy for the viewer to infer that it is indeed a map to Luke rather than to the temples.

That was the silly part. But the ICE planet that remains frozen even when it sucks up FIRE from the sun was sheer brilliance.

Actually wouldn't it work just like heat pump, or heat sink? Kind of like a refrigerator: Your fridge expels loads of heat to keep the inside cool .... I don't know, I feel like somehow the laws of thermodynamics could potentially explain the heat transfer from one location to another and the maintaining of cold surroundings ...

 

[JAL4U2C]

It's not a map to Luke or that was made by Luke so others could find him. It's a map to the first known Jedi Temples and as Han Solo states "People who knew Luke, think he might have gone to look for them." So it was the best place to try and find him, but of course no one had the complete map to do so.

Somewhere it was confirmed/stated that the map to the first Jedi Temples which they are attempting to piece together was originally downloaded by R2 from the Imperial Mainframe while aboard the Death Star in the scene where Obi-wan says "He'll be able to plug into the entire Imperial Network."

The movie did not do a good job parsing out this detail and unfortunately makes it too easy for the viewer to infer that it is indeed a map to Luke rather than to the temples.

Exactly. And however they "intended" it to be understood, X marked the spot and ta-da! Here's Luke! Plus there was no mention of Rey stopping at every location on the map. Just boom, here we are.