Episode VIII has just been pushed back 7 months to Dec. 15, 2017

[DARTH-THRASHER]

It's not a map to Luke or that was made by Luke so others could find him. It's a map to the first known Jedi Temples and as Han Solo states "People who knew Luke, think he might have gone to look for them." So it was the best place to try and find him, but of course no one had the complete map to do so.

Somewhere it was confirmed/stated that the map to the first Jedi Temples which they are attempting to piece together was originally downloaded by R2 from the Imperial Mainframe while aboard the Death Star in the scene where Obi-wan says "He'll be able to plug into the entire Imperial Network."

The movie did not do a good job parsing out this detail and unfortunately makes it too easy for the viewer to infer that it is indeed a map to Luke rather than to the temples.

I think you are correct. Don't take this personally, but your explanation is supposedly the main driver of the plot and some of it didn't even come out in the film. I think the explanation of why Luke is hiding and how he can be found reminds me of the guy trying to explain the trench run in Hardware Wars.

On another topic, I see you are a Blade Runner fan. I'd really like to see Hot Toys get that license. The only collectible I have is a 12" figure called Android Hunter, which is a Blade Runner knock-off made years ago.

 

[kl241]

That was the silly part. But the ICE planet that remains frozen even when it sucks up FIRE from the sun was sheer brilliance.

And how does it manage to do that exactly? Is there a black hole at the center of Starkiller Base or something? Why didn't it implode on itself.

Dumbest plot device ever.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It was a ridiculous weapon -- at least the science behind it was.

 

[LipSmack]

And how does it manage to do that exactly? Is there a black hole at the center of Starkiller Base or something? Why didn't it implode on itself.

Dumbest plot device ever.

its a movie... get over it. you know they use "the force" too right? and light sabers, and laser blasters, and space ships that leave and enter various atmospheres on all kinds of planets... and all planets seemingly have the same gravity and air quality? please people just shut the **** up

 

[Ultimate Weapon]

I think you are correct. Don't take this personally, but your explanation is supposedly the main driver of the plot and some of it didn't even come out in the film. I think the explanation of why Luke is hiding and how he can be found reminds me of the guy trying to explain the trench run in Hardware Wars.

On another topic, I see you are a Blade Runner fan. I'd really like to see Hot Toys get that license. The only collectible I have is a 12" figure called Android Hunter, which is a Blade Runner knock-off made years ago.

No worries, nothing taken personally at all - in fact that's where I agree. While it didn't diminish my overall enjoyment of the film, these are exactly the types of details that seem to be explained off-camera rather than on-camera - where they should have been explained.

Bladerunner figures from Hot Toys? I wish. I'm familiar with the unlicensed pieces out there, but a Deckard from Hot Toys? That would be a dream. I'm afraid there are too many licensing issues for that one, but maybe with the new movie ... just maybe ...

 

[Wor-Gar]

please people just shut the **** up

 

[DarthRusty]

They must be waiting on eFX & ANOVOS to finish the props & costumes.

 

[The Mike]

I actually am happy with it. I liked the Christmas build up and wouldn't mind doing it all again.

 

[cmiller99]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

That's such a silly line of dialogue, makes me cringe every time I see it.

 

[K1NG J0RDAN]

Oh wow the ****storm is still going on.

 

[LipSmack]

I actually am happy with it. I liked the Christmas build up and wouldn't mind doing it all again.

Plus hunting for Star wars toys whilst christmas shopping is awesome

 

[Mandible]

Give me the prequels any day over TFA. I also enjoy people that use the "troll" rebuttal, which usually means they don't do well outside their comfort zone and can't deal with opposing views.

Now that's a tall order on a very small sinking boat.

Only the die-hard fans that grew up on the PT still defend it. The overwhelming general consensus around the world does not bode well for the PT - particularly after the initial hype passed and people stepped back and saw what a train wreck they were.

TFA, by Abrams own admission, is the same structure as ANH. Why? Because as he said, it works, why wouldn't we? They didn't copy any of the PT structure. A test of a good film, is time, and time hasn't been good to the PT; in structure, execution, anything. There are some great elements, but overall, they're as wooden and lifeless as a plank of wood.

 

[Mandible]

Agreed. The movie does have it's issues, but for me the stuff it gets right-- the characters, the tone, the sense of fun-- more than overshadows the few problem areas like the overly familiar storyline.

I still don't think I'll be able to consider it a great Star Wars movie like ANH or ESB, but it is a very good Star Wars movie with lots of great moments in it, which is good enough for me.

This

 

[crisis]

Only the die-hard fans that grew up on the PT still defend it. The overwhelming general consensus around the world does not bode well for the PT - particularly after the initial hype passed and people stepped back and saw what a train wreck they are.

That's expected, & actually quite normal. A lot of stuff we watched when we were children, we look back with fond memories, even if said material wasn't exactly "good" by today's standards. There are kids today that just watched TFA, and when they are told by us old farts that the OT were far better, they watch them & can't fathom how they can even compare with this new stuff.

It's like saying to somebody "your childhood sucked and I can say that because mines was clearly better." This cycle will continue for generations

 

[Wor-Gar]

There are kids RIGHT NOW being shaped by this new trilogy who will fight you tooth and nail in five years that they are the superior Trilogy.

I look forward to the day when PTers are fighting STers....

...while I sit back with the knowledge that the Library of Congress selected the original Star Wars film for preservation in the U.S. National Film Registry, as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant.".

 

[TonTon]

As for TFA, my original viewing left me with the feeling that the Star Wars franchise reboot began with a reboot of "A New Hope".

Second viewing proved to be significantly more enjoyable, as the similarities were overlooked and the film was enjoyed more for what it simply was.

That's a bit how I feel. Enjoyed it immensely but my first thought coming out of the theatre was "it was a bit derivative," when it really didn't need to be. I was ready to see it the day after and I've enjoyed it more on each viewing--seen it 3 times now and am ready to see it a couple more times before getting it on blu ray. Not to rag on the prequels but I was pretty disappointed by TPM, never watched it beyond that first viewing and didn't even bother to see AOTC in the theatre.

Agreed. The movie does have it's issues, but for me the stuff it gets right-- the characters, the tone, the sense of fun-- more than overshadows the few problem areas like the overly familiar storyline.

I still don't think I'll be able to consider it a great Star Wars movie like ANH or ESB, but it is a very good Star Wars movie with lots of great moments in it, which is good enough for me.

Exactly, despite disliking the amount of parallels the characters and aesthetics were overwhelmingly pleasing to me. What they did well, they did really well. Their ingredients were really good and can't wait to see where they go with them.

Disney and the filmmakers probably need more time to take in more viewings of Empire Strikes Back to prepare for Episode 8.

Let's hope not.

 

[Matt S]

Fine by me; want a good movie, not a rushed one.

 

[davejames]

TFA, by Abrams own admission, is the same structure as ANH. Why? Because as he said, it works, why wouldn't we? They didn't copy any of the PT structure. A test of a good film, is time, and time hasn't been good to the PT; in structure, execution, anything. There are some great elements, but overall, they're as wooden and lifeless as a plank of wood.

Well it's not just that the ANH structure works, it's because he and Kasdan clearly liked the idea of taking the familiar story and reinterpreting it in a new way with newer characters, and the idea of Rey's journey early on mirroring that of Luke's.

And for the most part I thought they did a fantastic job reimagining the story in clever and interesting ways (like making the new Luke someone who has no interest in leaving home, or making Han of all people the believer and mentor figure who helps guide the hero on her journey, or having the villain be someone who feels tortured more by the light side within him than the dark side, etc).

The only plot device I really had a problem with, and that I think people are truly justified in complaining about, was the recycling of the Death Star. That's the only thing that really stands out as blatant and uninspired in my view. And it doesn't help that it feels like such an unnecessary distraction getting in the way of the much more interesting story in the movie about the search for Luke.

 

[cmiller99]

...while I sit back with the knowledge that the Library of Congress selected the original Star Wars film for preservation in the U.S. National Film Registry, as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant.".

They still don't have it though. Bloody Lucas.

 

[Kvothe]

I don't get why people are so worked up about something so subjective. It's both a fantastic and average film, depending on the perspective. I think for many, Star Wars will never top the OT, because that is Star Wars to them. Anything that deviates too much won't be Star Wars. Anything too similar is just a rehash. I'm just happy to have more Star Wars.

However you feel about it, Disney win. And when Episode VIII releases, they'll win again. People will adore it and people will hate it, but they'll all keep watching.