I saw Spider-Man 3 today

[The Mike]

look for venom to have the lead villian in S-4. and also look for the emergance of carnage.

Based on what? This sounds like an assertion and less like speculation.

 

[JABBATHERIDGE]

Having just seen the movie for myself, I would say that statement is VERY much speculation.

So what about the movie?

I'm not gonna spoil anything for you guys, but it's definetly worth going to see in my opinion as a long term Spidey fan. Yes the movie does have alot of characters and plotlines but almost all of them are done justice. Sandman, the Harry Osborn Goblin and Symbiote plotline are all done justice, the only character I felt really wasn't done as well as he should've been was Venom IMHO.

Other than that there was plenty of action, plenty of great character moments and a couple of unexpected twists and turns and of course Stan Lee popped in for his cameo.

JK Simmons as J Jonah was hillarious as usual, particularly in a scene with a little girl near the end of the movie.

The special effects were great, particularly on Sandman, although the battle in the subway felt a bit like you were watching a trailer for a Playstation game at times. Other than that the movie was brilliant and I'd recommend it.

 

[jml969]

Well I don't know if it was the midnight showing and being tired but I thought this was the weakest of the Spiderman films. I just couldn't get into some of the funny scenes ie) dancing that was done. I don't want to spoil this for anyone and I certainly don't want to sound like a negative nancy but I did walk away somewhat disappointed. BTW I loved the first 2 films.

 

[JABBATHERIDGE]

The first thing my G/F said when we left the theater was "god that dancing scene was just stupid" and I had to agree with her.

 

[Dark_Spidey]

The first thing my G/F said when we left the theater was "god that dancing scene was just stupid" and I had to agree with her.

I found it very funny. But unappropriate in a Spider-Man film.

 

[JABBATHERIDGE]

I think it just wasn't appropriate for what they were trying to convey, obviously can't say too much, but if bad dancing was really a sign of going over to the dark side, I know lots of people in a state of permanent hell

 

[Seth Gecko]

Great fun time 8/10 for me loved it.

 

[Bannister]

I liked it but it felt like it was missing something. I did love Bruce Campbell's scene though.

 

[Ktjn]

IMO, the first half of (maybe quarter) of Spiderman 3 started off well. Then it gets absurd in certain areas and then expects you to forgive characters for certain 'acts' and just go with the action & the ending. I actually couldn't even enjoy the ending because of some of the stuff that had happened before.

I would've liked to see more of Brock's character and less of angry/"bad" Parker. I really wasn't impressed with the final battle either. I mean, it's good action, but it's not that intense action we had from Doc Ock from the train and building scenes. Venom could've been used better, didn't seem like his comic self. never once refered to himself as 'we', or I didn't catch it. IMO, the second half needed better writing. Also, the one liners were killing me and there was much more bad dialouge than I expected from Raimi.

Too many musical numbers as well, was this a disney film? heh

I liked it but it felt like it was missing something. I did love Bruce Campbell's scene though.

Yeah, "that was the best part of the movie", as some would say.

 

[Collector Freak]

I was debating about which SM3 statue to get. Now that I've seen the movie, I can make my decision...


NONE! What a huge letdown this was! A terribly cramped script made everything so unenjoyable. Venom had, like, 7 minutes of screen time, and the final fight was less than spectacular. Sandman's story was stupid and Church's acting was terrible compared to Sideways and his other work. The one character that I thought was really good was Brock (because of Topher) and he was also barely in it.

They introduced so many characters with potential, but they didn't use them at all. They should have saved Venom for another film. The next trilogy should have been about Brock and Peter and the symbiote, with other characters thrown in.

I also hated how everything in #2 was ignored. What happened to Jameson's son? Why wasn't Peter fired for stealing MJ? Why did Harry get amnesia? That undid everything the first two films worked up to.

Another beef: Why did Brock get incinerated by the bomb when Harry just had a relatively minor (and fake looking) facial abrasion?


OVERALL GRADE: D


I guess I'll save my money for The Dark Knight. That will be incredible. Nolan can do no wrong. Marvel is run by those damn execs.

 

[figuremasterles]

Saw it last night...
OK.
Not 1 or 2.
Simple to say about to me. I liked it...ok.
SLow as molasses in winter. Not that I hate a slow movie mind you, but for a Spidey, it was slllllooooowwwww......
Too few action scenes. I thought there was gonna be this all out action thing going on, and no...whole scenes of slow dialogue with no music, and slow development. OK, but not engaging to me.

I was dissapointed in one really major aspect, I felt more for the girl Ursula, the skinny neighbor girl, than I did for MJ. Somehow her story was more interesting to me. Or my imagined one.

The Harry story is the most fleshed out. The Sandman could have been utterly scrapped and the entire Uncle Ben subplot left out. And there could have been a LOT more VENOM. He was barely glimpsed in the movie, as though we'd best not linger on his features lest we all say CGI really loudly. But, I knew he'd be CGI, so I didn't care. They think I haven't seen CGI fish or penguins by now? I don't care. I wanted Venom, not Eddie's face Venom. GIVE ME SNARLS OR GIVE ME DEATH!

They skimped.
Good movie, and I did like it. But no 1 or 2. AND NO DOC! No way. Not even close to that level of fun.

Sad. Hope there is a 4, and it's wide open. Cast or no cast. Just open the throttle one time.

 

[darthviper107]

I really enjoyed the film. I guess I like this one because of the black suits which look really cool.

The Sandman effects surprised me, they are really amazing, the sand isn't just tan colored dots, each one is actually like a piece of sand in real life (as you'll see in one particularly amazing shot).

Harry Osborn was better in this movie I think, he wasn't a whiny loser like he was in the other films, it's nice to see a cunning side of him. And his second fight with Peter was cool.

The Jazz club thing was really embarrassing, it's kinda weird and I'm not really criticizing it since it does kinda work for the movie, but I can't stand to see people make fools of themselves.

To me the Eddy Brock character should have been developed in the film and then they could do the Venom transformation right at the end as a lead-in to Spider-Man 4, it would have given the movie the space it needed and the extra character development of Venom. But I do expect that Venom will be back in the next movie if they do it at all.

Again, the effects were amazing, really awesome. I'll be glad to have the DVD of this once it comes out. I'll have to get the box set since I still don't have the first two since my sister got those and then moved away.

I give it an 8/10 with the first two films at 9/10.

 

[The Mike]

it's definetly worth going to see in my opinion as a long term Spidey fan.

Well JTR, we've had a lot of Spidey conversations and I trust your judgment in regards to it but with all of these mixed reviews I have to say that I'm a little more than intrigued by what I'll think of it come 9:30 tonight...

 

[Seth Gecko]

Hmmm people saying they like the doc ock better battles better. Well i liked the goblin battles from SM1 better so to each his own i guess.(i didn't care for doc ock)BTW i like the movie very much

 

[tylerd]

Based on what? This sounds like an assertion and less like speculation.

possible spoiler warning

based on a speculation of a hypothesis. i'll ask folks to use their better judgement and do an educated guess about venom. is there a reason why venom only showed at the later part of the movie and the character didn't get enough time or development? even though you think it ended one way, is it possible that venom will reappear in S-4? (yes it is, remember this is a movie based on a comic book) we're here to have some fun so please don't take anything i write to heart. i don't personally know raimi and i haven't seen the S-4 script. my guess is as good as yours.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Well JTR, we've had a lot of Spidey conversations and I trust your judgment in regards to it but with all of these mixed reviews I have to say that I'm a little more than intrigued by what I'll think of it come 9:30 tonight...

Same here... Just a little worried...

But think I will be happy nontheless, if anything just to see the Symbiote storyline on film. I'll just try to have an open mind and not expect a lot. I will certainly let you know at 10 tonight when I get back.

 

[The Mike]

is there a reason why venom only showed at the later part of the movie and the character didn't get enough time or development?

Technically no one has seen the SM4 script because it hasn't been finished, not to mention that Raimi has expressed interest but also has expressed interest in "The Hobbit" as well and they'd conflict in shooting schedules. Also Raimi hasn't exactly been asked back.

Is it possible for a return of Venom? Of course, especially if all the internet speculation and rumor is in fact....well fact, and the GG statue is appropriately named, that certainly didn't stop the comics. Take this into account through for lack of development of the Venom character, Raimi has been more than vocal about his distaste for Venom, he felt he wasn't deep or interesting enough to bring to the big screen, if you look hard enough you'll see he has said this multiple times. Take into account the horde of fans almost demanding Venom on screen and the fact that Avi Arad said they'd use a darker costume and darker tone when SM2 came out you could imagine that the Symbiote storyline was planned but the Venom one was a fan's choice add on. The original Symbiote storyline spanned a lot longer than some remember including an end of Parker's original dealings with the suit that had nothing to do with Venom. It was the symbiote's aggression and escaping the Baxter Building (they just replaced Reed with Connors) that resulted in the showdown in the church, it disguised itself as the Red/Blue suit to trick Peter into bonding with it and was removed thanks to the church bell. When Brock got the suit it he didn't go after Spidey right away but built up his body and trained for his attack. They could have easily done the symbiote storyline and ended SM3 with the disgarding of the suit. Venom saved. Since Raimi, Maguire and Dunst's contracts were all up they could have in theory just said "throw Venom in for the fans".

Venom's background is based on Brock's background. That's the character development. Venom's bonding shows Brock's hatred for Parker mixing with the Suit's hatred with Spidey. If they explain how Brock hates Parker/Spidey...then done. If they show why the suit might feel rejected and go after Spidey....then done. Then they background'd Venom....whether they did it well or not is another story.

 

[tylerd]

Technically no one has seen the SM4 script because it hasn't been finished, not to mention that Raimi has expressed interest but also has expressed interest in "The Hobbit" as well and they'd conflict in shooting schedules. Also Raimi hasn't exactly been asked back.

Is it possible for a return of Venom? Of course, especially if all the internet speculation and rumor is in fact....well fact, and the GG statue is appropriately named, that certainly didn't stop the comics. Take this into account through for lack of development of the Venom character, Raimi has been more than vocal about his distaste for Venom, he felt he wasn't deep or interesting enough to bring to the big screen, if you look hard enough you'll see he has said this multiple times. Take into account the horde of fans almost demanding Venom on screen and the fact that Avi Arad said they'd use a darker costume and darker tone when SM2 came out you could imagine that the Symbiote storyline was planned but the Venom one was a fan's choice add on. The original Symbiote storyline spanned a lot longer than some remember including an end of Parker's original dealings with the suit that had nothing to do with Venom. It was the symbiote's aggression and escaping the Baxter Building (they just replaced Reed with Connors) that resulted in the showdown in the church, it disguised itself as the Red/Blue suit to trick Peter into bonding with it and was removed thanks to the church bell. When Brock got the suit it he didn't go after Spidey right away but built up his body and trained for his attack. They could have easily done the symbiote storyline and ended SM3 with the disgarding of the suit. Venom saved. Since Raimi, Maguire and Dunst's contracts were all up they could have in theory just said "throw Venom in for the fans".

Venom's background is based on Brock's background. That's the character development. Venom's bonding shows Brock's hatred for Parker mixing with the Suit's hatred with Spidey. If they explain how Brock hates Parker/Spidey...then done. If they show why the suit might feel rejected and go after Spidey....then done. Then they background'd Venom....whether they did it well or not is another story.

excellent synopsis! it seems your knowledge of the story is more complete than the script writers. are you under contract yet?

 

[The Ringer]

I have been avoiding this thread for the last couple days now and I finally got home from seeing it. I thought it was really good and I do not want to sound girly but that movie was an emotional rollercoaster I got watery eyed a couple times throughout it. I wish Venom woulf of been in there longer but who knows with 3 more movies coming who knows what to expect.

 

[Beren]

I saw the midnight premiere last night, IMAX. I knew ahead of time I was going to see it at least twice... so next time I will be able to tell if the movie is really cheesy at times or those Di$^s behind me were immature a$$h*les who giggled and snickered at emotional moments (there were a few others in the audience). For crying out loud, the reason I went to the midnight showing was to see it with fans, S2 was a real hoot and totally enjoyable. Last night not so much for the above mentioned reasons.

As to Venom: he looked fine for a movie adaptation. I can understand the disappointment in the adaptation. What bothered me more was the tying in of Sandman into Peter's past. Far-fetched, even for a Spider-Man movie.

The thing that bothered me most was SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER following below (skip it if you don't want to know!)















Harry sacrifices himself and gets mortally stabbed by Venom, Peter witnesses it. I would think he would go after his former best friend as soon as he was capable. Instead he spends several minutes chatting with Sandman first. COME ON!!!!!!! That was the worst piece of behavior I have seen in a while on the silver screen.

Beren