Your reaching dude, how bout ultron
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Your reaching dude, how bout ultron
Ultron is a robot, he can come back
Well Zod is kryptonian what's your point
Well technically he came back and ultron died too he was a robot with a heart remember
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Yes that was my point, Zod posed a threat to supes but ultron never posed any threat to any of the heroes. He was by far the worst villain in all the superhero movies (dc, marvel or fox) other then the suicide squad incest siblings, but i don't really count them as villains there were so bad and poorly conceived.
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Kind of, the Kryptonians with their technology and world engine were a threat, as a whole or as a group, giving the situation, and Sups lack of experience, but I didn't see Zod as a threat during the final fight, which is what I was criticizing.
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Because I'm a child and I never get tired of seeing dildos flying into space. It's your fault for bringing them up.
If they had just tweaked maybe 5-7 minutes MOS would have been SO differently received.
1. Have the prison ships not look like dildos
2. Have Pa Kent die in any other fashion.
3. Don't have Supes looking like a smug prick when being interrogated by the government.
4. Add in several shots of him saving people mid battle at the end.
5. Don't destroy an expensive satellite just to show off.
Not saying that that would have turned MOS into TDK but it would have been so easy to eliminate 90% of what it is mocked for with just a few slight alterations.
1. Have the prison ships not look like dildos
2. Have Pa Kent die in any other fashion.
3. Don't have Supes looking like a smug prick when being interrogated by the government.
4. Add in several shots of him saving people mid battle at the end.
5. Don't destroy an expensive satellite just to show off.
Not saying that that would have turned MOS into TDK but it would have been so easy to eliminate 90% of what it is mocked for with just a few slight alterations.
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Sups should have carried that satellite down, and he would have made the same point, without the aggression and awkward tension, since his whole point was trying to tell the general that he wasn't a threat to humans 
In fact, had he done that, the "he's hawt line" might have worked better in a sort of cheesy light hearted way.
In fact, had he done that, the "he's hawt line" might have worked better in a sort of cheesy light hearted way.
That wasn't reaching at all. He described exactly what transpires in the movie. I liked Shannon's performance but he does get his @$$ kicked throughout the film.
This is not to say that you're wrong about Ultron though. I found him very disappointing overall. Weirdly his best scene was his first scene - as the decrepit half-built (half-destroyed?) robot. There was something oddly freaky about that. It was downhill from there.
An improvement over all previous versions in the medium?
Man, picking between Zod and Ultron is not an easy one for me. Despite my many issues with Man of Steel, I really liked the casting of Zod, and thought he did what he could with the role. I also thought Spader's voice and attitude made for an interesting villain as a robot. But both of those stories, and associated development of the antagonist were really problematic.
I'd choose Ultron on account of his very first and very last scenes. But as credible threats both he and Zod were lackluster.
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I like Ultron's personality. When he accidently rips the guy's arm off was kind of scary because it showed his strength and lack of control. His last scene was good too.
But I take Zod because of his performance and motivation and the Kryptonians as a whole over Ultron and his disposable army. Faora was more of a physical threat than Zod, and she totally owned Sups and every human. Plus, Kryptonians are just cooler than a sassy robot who couldn't reach his full potential in the story.
But I take Zod because of his performance and motivation and the Kryptonians as a whole over Ultron and his disposable army. Faora was more of a physical threat than Zod, and she totally owned Sups and every human. Plus, Kryptonians are just cooler than a sassy robot who couldn't reach his full potential in the story.
Yeah Faora was badass, much moreso than her commanding officer. What happened to the third Kryptonian? The big guy? I literally can't remember.
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Some great points here. It's a big shame that Ultron ended up being so watered down, and Zod too, to a lesser extent. I think for the most part Shannon's Zod was a great villain.
Zod > Ultron
Zod > Ultron
Thomascrown17
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I must say. I enjoyed mos the most out of the dceu. But the damn points you mentioned are on point lol. Would have made it soooo much better!
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Neither can I- what did happen to him?
I loved MOS and think it was a great take on Supes....
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Phantom zone, along with the other Kryptonians.
He must have been a stunt person
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