Looking for someone (preferably located in europe) to paint a Ra's Al Ghul headsculpt

[Cingen]

Hey all!

I'm a guy from Belgium who recently started collecting figures and I am looking for someone who could paint a Ra's Al Ghul headsculpt (Batman Begins).

The quality I'd love most is something close to https://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c304/elvis1976/new3/P1040971_zps83865cca.jpg (Elvis his figure) but since I realise this is a very high standard I will settle with less.

If anyone is willing to paint the headsculpt for me, please post here with details like previous work and how much this would cost me I am ofcourse willing to pay for your effort.

PS. I still need to order the headsculpt from ebay since I wait till I found a painter before I buy it, so if it is more convenient I could order it and get it delivered directly at the house of whoever paints it.

 

[noisetrigger]

Since you are from Belgium you might wanna ask Elvis himself....

 

[Ultron-7]

The Ra's sculpt on ebay is a recast of Rainman's work so i'm not sure if any member on here will paint it as recasts are frowned upon. You may get lucky tho, good luck!

 

[Cingen]

Elvis is from Belgium too?

And I indeed realise it is a recast, but I simply cannot find any other sculpts online.. I've been looking through forums and auction sites for a week now :/

 

[Bullet]

Elvis is from Belgium too?

And I indeed realise it is a recast, but I simply cannot find any other sculpts online.. I've been looking through forums and auction sites for a week now :/

Not an excuse to buy a recast. Took me nearly 6 months to track down my Walter White original sculpt and rainman bill sculpt. Both of which are easily available as recasts on eBay.

 

[mightyq]

Not an excuse to buy a recast. Took me nearly 6 months to track down my Walter White original sculpt and rainman bill sculpt. Both of which are easily available as recasts on eBay.

....dont get excited about elvis painting that for you, pretty sure he will not go anywhere near that re-cast...it stinks my friend,..but soon you will know that serious and commited board members do not and mean do not support re-casters....you cant just buy one because you want one and cant find it...well, you can, thats your right, but getting it painted and then selling it maybe one day is another thing entirely...let this small loss be a good lesson on how things work on here.....just trying to explain and help out bro..and welcome

 

[yruh8n]

Check out Snyder-man's thread. His sculpt looks more like Neeson than Rainman's and painted or unpainted castings are readily available. They will also tool the neck to fit whatever body you are using.I have to respectfully disagree about the attitudes of recasting on this board. Most here are hypocrites. They say they are against recast until something comes along they want, and then they will try and justify it.

 

[axecutioner18]

I have to respectfully disagree about the attitudes of recasting on this board. Most here are hypocrites. They say they are against recast until something comes along they want, and then they will try and justify it.

Can you list a few names? The board is quite heavy on recasters and your help can help ban those who you claim are roaming free on the board justifying themselves...

 

[yruh8n]

I guess it depends on what one considers a recast. Taking someone else's sculpt and resizing it or scratching a few lines in it is fine for one of a kind customs. When the customizer molds it and starts selling castings I consider that a recast. If you can not sculpt or fabricate something that isn't 100% your own work you shouldn't be molding and casting it. I can site some examples of this, but you already know who I'm talking about. Making exceptions sends the message that you aren't against recast if it's something you really want. Recasting is something that will only stop when collectors stop supporting it it all its forms.

 

[Bullet]

I guess it depends on what one considers a recast. Taking someone else's sculpt and resizing it or scratching a few lines in it is fine for one of a kind customs. When the customizer molds it and starts selling castings I consider that a recast. If you can not sculpt or fabricate something that isn't 100% your own work you shouldn't be molding and casting it. I can site some examples of this, but you already know who I'm talking about. Making exceptions sends the message that you aren't against recast if it's something you really want. Recasting is something that will only stop when collectors stop supporting it it all its forms.

Erm is that not exactly what we are trying to do here by advising this guy a recast is unacceptable? We all know the definition of recasting and we all know its wrong and shouldn't support it. As Axe said can you list some names of users who are trying to justify using recasts for something they really want and can't get any other way? I am on here quite a bit and I never read anything but utter contempt for recasting, I don't see anyone trying to justify it.

You started off by saying most of this board are hypocrites and accepting recasts is common place here, when asked to provide some evidence of this so the appropriate action could be taken you retort with a simple definition of what recasting actually is. Exactly who is claiming recasts are ok? I don't know of anybody on this board who supports or likes recasters. The last well known recaster was chased off this board.

 

[mightyq]

guys,, ax and bullet, i am going to cut to the chase and assume he is talking about "wake" and his chemist sculpt, he did all the right things and emailed trev and so on..but in my op. wich means nothing, it still should not have been done...i have been looking for a chemist with hair forever, i missed again the other day...but i will not go to ebay and buy a recast and then email trevor, and ask the board if its ok, but thats just me....i also collect sports cards, i bought a $500 card, that was proferssionaly graded, but to me looked like it was trimmed, wich is a big no no in the spots card world....i was right it was bad..i posted on the board that i belong to with a pic if it torn in half, as its worthless once altered. i could easily have put it back into the hobby and sold to another collector and been done with it...but..my morals took over and to me i done the right thing....i was out $500....but i still done the right thing...i believe in karma big time....i dont want no negative energy around me...

i have no hard feelings toward wake...as he got what he wanted....but i would not have done it.....pretty sure this is who is talking about (wake).....yruh8n correct me if i am wrong.....

 

[yruh8n]

Wasn't aware of that situation but it illustrates what I was trying to say. As a long time collector of garage model kits I saw the way recasting tainted that hobby, and would rather not see it affect this one. As I stated before to me a recast is making a mold and casting someone elses work. PERIOD. Tweaking it, resizing it, repurposing whatever does not, in my mind, change the fact that it is a recast. If someone wants to tweak a sculpt for thier own collection, I have no problem with it. I wish I was talented enough to do it myself. When the customizer decides to mold it and sell it, to me, that is a recast. The original sculptor selldom gets credit or a portion of the profits. It's bad form. It puts a condition on an individual's stance against recasting. It opens up a grab bag of excuses recasters use to justify thier misdeeds. I did not want to be baited into a flame war, but I'm stuck at the airport gate with nothing to entertain myself so here goes. I will site 3 examples off the top of my head that illustrate what I see as a hypocritical view of recasting on this message board. If anyone cares to defend these actions be articulate because whatever argument you use to try and defend these projects proves my point.
1) Les Walker, a talented customizer and painter reworked some of the Hot Toys Aliens Colonial Marines. He did a nice job making the heads look more like the actors from the movie. Then he molded and cast up the modified sculpts. Endortsed by many members on this board and still discussed in a positive way long after he stopped selling them. Doesn't change the fact that they were essentially recast.

2) Next we have what I refer to as Bell's palsey Indiana Jones. A member here took the head from the Sideshow Raiders PF and made a mold of it. He then shrank it to 1/6th size and began selling castings of it. Again heavily endorsed and praised by many on this board. In another thread I talked about this being a recast. The guy who did it sent me a private message stating that Sideshow and Trevor Grove were ok with it, and besides he didn't make a lot of money from it. Guess what. It's still a recast.

3) Another member recently posted a mash up where he took two different SS heads of Han and Indy and made a Bespin Han. I admit I did not read the whole thread, but if I understood correctly he etched a few lines in the forehead. It took some work to pull it off, I'll give the guy that. Problem is it isn't all his work. Technically it's a recast. Yet it is being endorsed and embraced by many members here. Apparently he is sold out of the first run and plans to cast more.

Now if people are okay with this maybe the guy who is recasting Rainman's stuff should shave the eye brows off and resculpt them before making his molds? This seemed to be acceptable in the above projects. If he alterts the sculpt slightly it is okay right? Of course not. And the above shouldn't have been alright either. I can think of a few other examples but this should be enough to support my stance. All recast of any kind should be rejected. They only exist because people continue to buy them.

 

[K.bowen]

i bought a walt head of ebay from the same guy selling the alghul sculpt, back when he used the photos of the actual sculpt thinking it was an original, the cast was udder crap and so undersized it went straight in the bin, so just a warning if you do end up buying it, the quality could be crap,

 

[Bullet]

Wasn't aware of that situation but it illustrates what I was trying to say. As a long time collector of garage model kits I saw the way recasting tainted that hobby, and would rather not see it affect this one. As I stated before to me a recast is making a mold and casting someone elses work. PERIOD. Tweaking it, resizing it, repurposing whatever does not, in my mind, change the fact that it is a recast. If someone wants to tweak a sculpt for thier own collection, I have no problem with it. I wish I was talented enough to do it myself. When the customizer decides to mold it and sell it, to me, that is a recast. The original sculptor selldom gets credit or a portion of the profits. It's bad form. It puts a condition on an individual's stance against recasting. It opens up a grab bag of excuses recasters use to justify thier misdeeds. I did not want to be baited into a flame war, but I'm stuck at the airport gate with nothing to entertain myself so here goes. I will site 3 examples off the top of my head that illustrate what I see as a hypocritical view of recasting on this message board. If anyone cares to defend these actions be articulate because whatever argument you use to try and defend these projects proves my point.
1) Les Walker, a talented customizer and painter reworked some of the Hot Toys Aliens Colonial Marines. He did a nice job making the heads look more like the actors from the movie. Then he molded and cast up the modified sculpts. Endortsed by many members on this board and still discussed in a positive way long after he stopped selling them. Doesn't change the fact that they were essentially recast.

2) Next we have what I refer to as Bell's palsey Indiana Jones. A member here took the head from the Sideshow Raiders PF and made a mold of it. He then shrank it to 1/6th size and began selling castings of it. Again heavily endorsed and praised by many on this board. In another thread I talked about this being a recast. The guy who did it sent me a private message stating that Sideshow and Trevor Grove were ok with it, and besides he didn't make a lot of money from it. Guess what. It's still a recast.

3) Another member recently posted a mash up where he took two different SS heads of Han and Indy and made a Bespin Han. I admit I did not read the whole thread, but if I understood correctly he etched a few lines in the forehead. It took some work to pull it off, I'll give the guy that. Problem is it isn't all his work. Technically it's a recast. Yet it is being endorsed and embraced by many members here. Apparently he is sold out of the first run and plans to cast more.

Now if people are okay with this maybe the guy who is recasting Rainman's stuff should shave the eye brows off and resculpt them before making his molds? This seemed to be acceptable in the above projects. If he alterts the sculpt slightly it is okay right? Of course not. And the above shouldn't have been alright either. I can think of a few other examples but this should be enough to support my stance. All recast of any kind should be rejected. They only exist because people continue to buy them.

Can't and won't argue with any of those points they are all as you say examples of recasting in one way or another.

 

[Cingen]

Hey all, sorry for being silent in this thread I started but I did some thinking..

First of all, sorry for starting a discussions about recasts by posting this. I am new to this hobby and since I really liked this sculpt and really don't expect to find any of this version being sold anytime soon I simply saw no other option than buying this..

But I decided I will wait a bit for now, I've heared CREG-Customs is planning to make a Ra's Al Ghul sculpt sometime this year and I guess I'll just wait and see how that turns out and most likely order one from him.. In preparation for the sculpt to arrive I'll do some research about which 1/6 body I should choose to put the head on..

Once again, thanks and sorry to everyone who replied in this thread!

 

[swsqueakquels]

Some also distinguish between recasting/reworking sculpts made by individuals (Rainman, Trevor as individual, Rocco etc.) and those made by Companies (HT, Sideshow, GG, even Hasbro etc) - i.e. the "big guys" don't matter but the "little guys" do. Further murking the waters of what is okay and what is not.

A lot of people take bits from a lot of manufacturers and fairly heavily customise it then sell the bits - someone did a Bossk that was the GG head (which he redid quite a bit,) weapon and arms but with mostly 100% sculpted (articulated) lower legs and I believe he was selling casts of that.

Gets more murky than just a recasthead with some tweaks.