Marvel Studios - She Hulk

[jye4ever]

Yeah, and we weren't supposed to like Tony for it for it; and rooted for him specifically because he realized his massive flaws and developed beyond them. The horrible traits that Jennifer processed aren't presented in a way in which they are meant to be perceived as negative.

If she was meant to develop beyond them like Tony, there were plenty of opportunities where they could have written Bruce to call her out on her BS, (the irony of complaining about being lectured on something she's an expert in while she lectures him about how much better she is at being the Hulk, her stating she has perfect control on her anger after she almost murders 3 guys at a bar), a moment of genuine humility, or where he could have brought up the numerous traumas in his life that have shaped him. She could have even struggled with her powers, but instead is presented as Hulk's immediate equal if not superior at using these powers. But no. These weren't presented as flaws because the writers don't see them as one, and therefore will never develop her past them.

 

[Dave_W]

Finally watched the first couple episodes. I don't think ive ever hated a show more in my entire life. I found the character a dislikable, hypocritical narcissist, the plot aimless, and the dubious values so far up it's own rear end with hypocrisy that it can be accurately described as a Klein bottle.

I'm honestly struggling to see how anyone can come out of this show with anything even resembling a positive experience.

How exactly are we supposed to root for a character that cries victim at every opportunity about not being respected, but yet repeatedly belittles and patronizes others' experiences? How are we supposed to care that she feels like a potential victim when the first thing she does with her powers is attempt to murder some innocent people? Yeah, keep whining about living in a world that forces you to control your emotions to a guy who witnessed his dad beat his mother to death, attempted suicide, and witnessed a genocide.

I take it that you won't be watching any more episodes and that you won't be in this thread any more then?

 

[ShadowX81]

I take it that you won't be watching any more episodes and that you won't be in this thread any more then?

Maybe I will. Maybe I wont. Why do you care? I have every right to write reviews of this show (probably will be negative) as I see fit.

 

[Dave_W]

True, but if it's that bad, I don't know why someone would waste their time to keep watching it, let alone putting in the effort to write about it online.

 

[Garlador]

Yeah, and we weren't supposed to like Tony for it for it; and rooted for him specifically because he realized his massive flaws and developed beyond them. The horrible traits that Jennifer processed aren't presented in a way in which they are meant to be perceived as negative.

If she was meant to develop beyond them like Tony, there were plenty of opportunities where they could have written Bruce to call her out on her BS, (the irony of complaining about being lectured on something she's an expert in while she lectures him about how much better she is at being the Hulk, her stating she has perfect control on her anger after she almost murders 3 guys at a bar), a moment of genuine humility, or where he could have brought up the numerous traumas in his life that have shaped him. She could have even struggled with her powers, but instead is presented as Hulk's immediate equal if not superior at using these powers. But no. These weren't presented as flaws because the writers don't see them as one, and therefore will never develop her past them.

He literally fist fights her because he disagrees with her (and the show makes it very clear he’s significantly stronger than her).

Jen literally looks right at the audience and says “I never have to be a Hulk!”… only to immediately be forced into a situation where she needs to Hulk out to save people.

I thought the show was pretty clear a big part of this is Jen keeps openly saying she rejects and hates the superhero aspect of herself (“it’s for billionaires, narcissists, and adult orphans”), dismissed Bruce’s advice (and then immediately needed to take it), and resents being forced to stay in Hulk form to keep her job (even though it’s the reason she got the job).

Her narrow viewpoint has already been disproven and it won’t be the last wake-up call she gets.

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Finally watched the first couple episodes. I don't think ive ever hated a show more in my entire life. I found the character a dislikable, hypocritical narcissist, the plot aimless, and the dubious values so far up it's own rear end with hypocrisy that it can be accurately described as a Klein bottle.

I'm honestly struggling to see how anyone can come out of this show with anything even resembling a positive experience.

How exactly are we supposed to root for a character that cries victim at every opportunity about not being respected, but yet repeatedly belittles and patronizes others' experiences? How are we supposed to care that she feels like a potential victim when the first thing she does with her powers is attempt to murder some innocent people? Yeah, keep whining about living in a world that forces you to control your emotions to a guy who witnessed his dad beat his mother to death, attempted suicide, and witnessed a genocide.

 

[ShadowX81]

He literally fist fights her because he disagrees with her (and the show makes it very clear he’s significantly stronger than her).

Jen literally looks right at the audience and says “I never have to be a Hulk!”… only to immediately be forced into a situation where she needs to Hulk out to save people.

I thought the show was pretty clear a big part of this is Jen keeps openly saying she rejects and hates the superhero aspect of herself (“it’s for billionaires, narcissists, and adult orphans”), dismissed Bruce’s advice (and then immediately needed to take it), and resents being forced to stay in Hulk form to keep her job (even though it’s the reason she got the job).

Her narrow viewpoint has already been disproven and it won’t be the last wake-up call she gets.

Has it? Because I remember a scene of Hulk tossing a rock, and Jenn immediately tossing a similar one twice as far. Her narrow viewpoint is repeatedly demonstrated to be hypocritical, but it hasn't been sufficiently challenged by the Hulk (who just mostly takes it) or any of the people around Jenn. I hope you're right, but at this point id bet good money on the fact that she isn't called out on her many personality flaws, and the only "growth" she goes through is of the Captain Marvel-esqe "I only needed to realize how awesome and amazing I was the whole time" variety.

True, but if it's that bad, I don't know why someone would waste their time to keep watching it, let alone putting in the effort to write about it online.

Funny, I think the same about people who go out of their way to insult others. Maybe you should take some of your own advice, not waste time on things you dislike, and mind your own business.

 

[Dave_W]

If you feel insulted...you know what, nevermind. Also, I don't believe my advice was to mind your own business.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Play nice, Freaks.

 

[generalszabo]

I take it that you won't be watching any more episodes and that you won't be in this thread any more then?

Oh if only anonymous Internet nerds were this rational

I enjoyed these episodes much more than I thought, I actually like the short and sharp to-the-point action, and the breaking the 4th wall works well

Having said that, it's still a product of its age, and I do notice some forced agenda. Nothing to get too upset about though, that's par for the course with marvel now.

Am glad they seem to have upgraded the CGI since the trailer too, am looking forward to the rest of the episodes. More cameos would be welcome but she could turn out really well as part of the MCU

 

[Garlador]

Has it? Because I remember a scene of Hulk tossing a rock, and Jenn immediately tossing a similar one twice as far.

And then Hulk chucks one into orbit.

 

[jodl73]

Just finished the second episode. My only complaint is it's way too short. I was really getting into it, then it just stopped. That's it?! I want more. I haven't had this feeling about a Marvel show since WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and to some extent Hawkeye. What does that mean? Well I know a show is good when you feel the episode went too fast and look forward to the next episode. I also don't want to see spoilers. The show also has a lot going on in connection with the rest of the MCU. I didn't have this feeling with Loki, Moon Knight, or Ms. Marvel. Well those shows did have connections, but not as many as She-Hulk does right now. Loki brought the Multiverse, but that was at the end, Moon Knight brought Blade teasing the Midnight Sons but that was and end credit scene, and Ms. Marvel X-men and The Marvels connection came at the end.
IMO She-Hulk is bringing back the Marvel excitement that I feel wasn't all there in Loki and Moon Knight. Ms. Marvel set the spark though.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I LOVE the "IGNORE" facility on this board

Its probably about time I ponied up some pennies to support the wee place . . . I keep meaning to do it but haven't got off my backside yet!


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[BladeS]

Really enjoyed episode two a lot! Wish it was longer. Fun and light-hearted again. Some of the commentary is a little on the nose (like her colleague's comment from the first lawyer's office). But also his nepotism line got a chuckle out of me.

Also the change in the title caught me off guard and got an audible chuckle out of me too.

Some of the Easter eggs on the website were pretty great. Love that they're tiptoeing around X-Men related things.

Also the line about Hulk being a completely different person, literally. Fantastic.

A lot of great little gems scattered through out. I like the premise and I'm looking forward to next week!

 

[Bleah]

True, but if it's that bad, I don't know why someone would waste their time to keep watching it, let alone putting in the effort to write about it online.

Tell it to us that went through the entirety of BoBF and Obi-Wan.

 

[Cocoboloboy]

I’m not taking the show too seriously and I definitely don’t think the creators of it are either so I’m sitting back, shutting my mind off for 1/2 an hour, and really enjoying it so far. I’m actually enjoying it more than any other streaming Marvel show so far.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

They are pretty on the nose with some of the social commentary in the show itself, particularly the discussion about Jennifer's experiences as a woman making her prepared for danger.

So here's what I will say, without riding the line of the political issues here - There's something to be said about movie stars

1) Avoiding social media directly or just having their PR team handle their social media accounts completely

2) Stop saying things that will incite potentially up to half the projectible fan base.

There are lots of people working on a show like She Hulk who are just regular people trying to make a living. If the show is cancelled, what happens to those people? Does Ruffalo think about that before he goes half cocked and just starts Tweeting stuff that is only going to cause more problems than solutions?

Do I agree with people putting negative reviews before a show even airs? No

Do I believe some "pundits" have made a way to basically make money and get clicks for hating everything that comes out? Yes.

But that's an entirely separate issue from some of the audience deciding they don't like something. And for whatever reason.

Without the fans, Ruffalo doesn't have millions upon millions of dollars in his bank accounts.

The other issue is if Ruffalo keeps it up, keeps saying things that can incite viewers, that might drive people away from the next Marvel show. And how is that fair to the below the line people working there?

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

So here's what I will say, without riding the line of the political issues here - There's something to be said about movie stars

1) Avoiding social media directly or just having their PR team handle their social media accounts completely

2) Stop saying things that will incite potentially up to half the projectible fan base.

There are lots of people working on a show like She Hulk who are just regular people trying to make a living. If the show is cancelled, what happens to those people? Does Ruffalo think about that before he goes half cocked and just starts Tweeting stuff that is only going to cause more problems than solutions?

Do I agree with people putting negative reviews before a show even airs? No

Do I believe some "pundits" have made a way to basically make money and get clicks for hating everything that comes out? Yes.

But that's an entirely separate issue from some of the audience deciding they don't like something. And for whatever reason.

Without the fans, Ruffalo doesn't have millions upon millions of dollars in his bank accounts.

The other issue is if Ruffalo keeps it up, keeps saying things that can incite viewers, that might drive people away from the next Marvel show. And how is that fair to the below the line people working there?

Nicely put

I agree with all your main points (although I won't watch the linked video because that guy is a deceitful & egotistical prat), but to focus on the bit in red . . .

Different area of fandom, but I (only an hour ago) heard about the provocative garbage that Twisted Sister frontman Dee Snider has been spouting over recent months/years. Man has that guy gone off the deep end! Given his playground is amongst the heavy metal/rock community, I suspect his ranting has/will turn off WAY more than half of HIS fanbase!

I think things have changed from "never meet your heroes" to "never find out how your heroes feel about sensitive subjects" - and if they make their beliefs on those sort of subjects public . . . particularly when done in a less-than-tactful manner . . . they are going to get a backlash from those that do not agree. Why-oh-why do these idiots do it? (including Ruffalo historically - I've no idea what he's recently been saying).

Glad this place has the sensible rules it has, so that the stupidity between some of us is generally kept under control


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[Darth Snoopy]

Glad this place has the sensible rules it has, so that the stupidity between some of us is generally kept under control

Generally.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

I think things have changed from "never meet your heroes" to "never find out how your heroes feel about sensitive subjects" - and if they make their beliefs on those sort of subjects public . . . particularly when done in a less-than-tactful manner . . . they are going to get a backlash from those that do not agree.

Something I found pretty interesting, though a long time ago, was Buffy The Vampire Slayer could have had another season, maybe more. But everyone was waiting on Sarah Michelle Gellar to decide if she wanted to keep going ( There is no show without the title character after all....)

I remember when SMG made her announcement not to return, that Alyson Hannigan said the situation was completely unfair to the people who worked on the show. People with kids, people with mortgages, people more likely to live check to check. IIRC, Hannigan said it would have been better to tell everyone as soon as possible, so they could go and look for different work before all the other shows and productions were filled up with what they needed for their new seasons.

After Michael Mann got massive critical praise with Heat, he did a TV show called Robbery Homicide ( it was actually pretty good) It got cancelled because Tom Sizemore had substance abuse problems and could not be relied upon. There were long time sort of fringe actors in the main cast. Folks who could probably use that regular paycheck, and who knows, if that show ran 4-5-6 seasons, they could have gotten life changing money out of it. Not to mention all the writers, set design people, audio, lighting, catering, etc, etc.

It just looks very callous and entitled for Ruffalo to stir up things more than what is needed.

How hard is it to say,

"We'd like everyone to give this show a chance, we believe it will surprise you and entertain you, but if you don't like it, Kevin Feige and Marvel have put together a really wonderful universe and world building where there is so much to enjoy and we have faith something within the the entire MCU will speak to you and give you joy"

Would that have been so hard?

Yeah, I agree, my friend, never get too far into the viewpoints of actors you typically enjoy. I used to love Robert DeNiro in pretty much everything. Now I just want the guy to go away. Now when I sometimes catch Goodfellas, I'm glad he got snitched on. LOL.