Media Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes

[WellCQCaboutthat]

i thought id start a MGS 5 thread where we actually have updates and discuss the game(s). if you want to discuss the topic at hand you are welcome to be here otherwise find the correct thread please.

 

[Dylan]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

Wait, whats wrong with the other thread?

 

[Solidus]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

I'm with Jason on this. I think the other thread is beyond saving. It did have a lot of interesting and critical discussions about MGS/Kojima/MGS V. But, it was constantly bombarded with nonsense. And especially the more recent incident of some folks childishly trying to "hold the fort", in a consorted effort to oust some of the more veteran members of VG Section.

I'm all for a fresh new start to discuss the games, and MGS V. I'll message Shorpt and ask him to lock it down...

 

[Centurion]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

I'm with Jason on this. I think the other thread is beyond saving. It did have a lot of interesting and critical discussions about MGS/Kojima/MGS V. But, it was constantly bombarded with nonsense. And especially the more recent incident of some folks, childishly trying to "hold the fort", in a consorted effort to oust some of the more veteran members of VG Section.

I'm all for a fresh new start to discuss the games, and MGS V. I'll message Shorpt and ask him to lock it down...

Which is why I less and less even poked my head in that thread lately. A fresh start might be in order, considering GZ isn't far out now.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

you know when i unsub from a mgs thread theres a problem. anyway...................... anything new to post? pics? new info?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

Probably nothing that wasn't in the other thread already.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

i also thought because there were 2 games we needed an aptly-labeled thread.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

Yeah, took ages to finally get confirmation if it was one or two. I still don't understand why it just couldn't just be one game, but okay.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

Re: MGS V - GZ/TPP

i dont mind the 2 games honestly, as long as they deliver the best mgs-style gaming experience. i hope they dont mess this story up.

 

[Shropt]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

Is this a separate game? If so I'll keep the thread. Otherwise I need to merge it. I don't see what's wrong with the other thread other than no news has been released lately about the game.

 

[Solidus]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

I wouldn't really call it news. But, I read a few days ago that Ground Zeroes will be much shorter than TPP; a point that I've reiterated for some time, considering the cheap price of the game at $19.99, and for the fact that it seems to take place in the event of one day/night (judging from the trailers).

From the way Kojima describes it, GZ seems more like a demo of TPP, rather than a full-fledged MGS game.

Kojima reasserts that, “GZ is both a prologue of MGSV story & at the same time, a tutorial of new MGS which transits to sneaking simulator.” However, compared to the main game i.e. The Phantom Pain, it is much smaller. “W/ that said, GZ has comparatively small field as compare to main (which is hundreds of times bigger) w/o time change.”

Nonetheless, Ground Zeroes will offer plenty of variety for players. “But each mission offers different time zone w/ different play.”

https://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-is-a-sneaking-stealth-simulator-new-image-shows-snake-covered-in-blood

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

I don't think the story will be any better than any of the previous pre-sequel stories, but as a game it will probably be a lot of fun. I just wish MGS didn't become a sandbox game. PW was almost a sandbox game in a oblique way, as well as MPO. I just hope this time around it doesn't take 150 RPGs to take out one piss ant APC.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

shropt, this is 2 games in one. the other one was just for one of them. the other thread was also a gif pit with arguements and was rarely ever used for news. pick any 3 pages and 2 of them were fighting or gif chains. just delete it and make this the new one since its title is current. everyone who came in here to comment seems to agree. it can still be referenced if its locked. oh yeah, it mind as well have been an ironman and batman thread.

 

[Dylan]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

I dont know if I agree with that. Yes people were arguing but they were arguing about the game and yes there are gif spamming but the mods should have been there to delete those posts instead of nuking the whole thread. All of the arguing would spring up from news about the game and then die off when the game had no news. This thread is going to end up the same way because this board is split down the middle on supporting the new direction of MGS but I guess we could name this the MGSV no arguing thread.

 

[Solidus]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

I don't think the story will be any better than any of the previous pre-sequel stories, but as a game it will probably be a lot of fun. I just wish MGS didn't become a sandbox game. PW was almost a sandbox game in a oblique way, as well as MPO. I just hope this time around it doesn't take 150 RPGs to take out one piss ant APC.

Sandbox games typically have a lot of things going on simultaneously, and in order to maintain stability in gameplay, they have to sacrifice visuals for a more open-world experience. I just don't see how Kojima can get around that - regardless of how much KojiPro is trying to advertise the new FOX Engine. MGS V might look good in the trailers, but I doubt it'll look that good once we actually start playing it. I expect that when a lot of things start showing up on screen, the game will progressively degrade the graphics in order for it to run smoothly; just like ever other Sandbox game that I've ever played.

But, like I said before, I don't think MGS and Sandbox should have ever been mixed together. I'm all for a linear storyline, with old-school infiltration missions, in highly-secured indoor environments. I'd argue that's one of the main things that has made MGS as successful as it is today.

And I hated the extra ops missions in Peace Walker. The weapons were laughably ineffective.

 

[Solidus]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

shropt, this is 2 games in one. the other one was just for one of them. the other thread was also a gif pit with arguements and was rarely ever used for news. pick any 3 pages and 2 of them were fighting or gif chains. just delete it and make this the new one since its title is current. everyone who came in here to comment seems to agree. it can still be referenced if its locked. oh yeah, it mind as well have been an ironman and batman thread.

Yeah, Jason's right. The other thread was only titled about MGS V, while this thread is focused on "Ground Zeroes" and "MGS V".

Plasmid was the creator of that thread, and I guess if he was still around on SSF, he would have changed the thread title to account for Ground Zeroes as well.

I dont know if I agree with that. Yes people were arguing but they were arguing about the game and yes there are gif spamming but the mods should have been there to delete those posts instead of nuking the thread. All of the arguing would spring up from news about the game and then die off when the game had no news. This thread is going to end up the same way because this board is split down the middle on supporting the new direction of MGS but I guess we could name this the MGSV no arguing thread.

It's inevitable. But, there's so much bad blood in that thread already . It's really up to Shorpt and what he decides is best, and I'll be cool with whatever. But, I really do miss a lot of the old conversations that several of us used to have...

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

I dont know if I agree with that. Yes people were arguing but they were arguing about the game and yes there are gif spamming but the mods should have been there to delete those posts instead of nuking the whole thread. All of the arguing would spring up from news about the game and then die off when the game had no news. This thread is going to end up the same way because this board is split down the middle on supporting the new direction of MGS but I guess we could name this the MGSV no arguing thread.

You're probably right.

Sandbox games typically have a lot of things going on simultaneously, and in order to maintain stability in gameplay, they have to sacrifice visuals for a more open-world experience. I just don't see how Kojima can get around that - regardless of how much KojiPro is trying to advertise the new FOX Engine. MGS V might look good in the trailers, but I doubt it'll look that good once we actually start playing it. I expect that when a lot of things start showing up on screen, the game will progressively degrade the graphics in order for it to run smoothly; just like ever other Sandbox game that I've ever played.

But, like I said before, I don't think MGS and Sandbox should have ever been mixed together. I'm all for a linear storyline, with old-school infiltration missions, in highly-secured indoor environments. I'd argue that's one of the main things that has made MGS as successful as it is today.

And I hated the extra ops missions in Peace Walker. The weapons were laughably ineffective.

I think you're right that they shouldn't be mixed together. Sandbox is the wrong choice in evolving the series IMO, I think if you really want to bring realism into it... make the AI really smart and unpredictable and make it tougher to hide, force the player to be patient. MGS is just too easy anymore, if you mastered one you probably mastered them all.

 

[Solidus]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

I think you're right that they shouldn't be mixed together. Sandbox is the wrong choice in evolving the series IMO, I think if you really want to bring realism into it... make the AI really smart and unpredictable and make it tougher to hide, force the player to be patient. MGS is just too easy anymore, if you mastered one you probably mastered them all.

Sneaking probably wouldn't even exist in a Sandbox game. You'd have so much room to run around, and you'll just have to make sure to stay as far away from enemies as possible, while picking them off at a distance.

The AI in MGS 2 and 3 was pretty pathetic. More intelligent AI and more complex indoor bases should have been the way to go. In other words, I think Kojima should have built upon the legacy from MGS 1 to 3, instead of giving the series a total makeover into something that it's not.

 

[Sachiel]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V - Ground Zeroes/TPP

Is this a separate game? If so I'll keep the thread. Otherwise I need to merge it. I don't see what's wrong with the other thread other than no news has been released lately about the game.

Merge and change title to MGSV:GZ/TPP