Question for all the 1080P Videophiles here

[DouglasMcc]

Okay, I have a 720P DLP 50" inch TV right now. But the upgrade "itch" is starting to hit me. I know I will eventually purchase a PS3 so I like that option. But how future proof are the current 1080P televisions? If I buy one this X-mas, it will have to last me til 2010 at least. So, I don't want to rush in crazy like and get stuck with a TV that is worthless in a year or 2 (okay, I know it wouldn't be "worthless" ... however, I mean unusable to high tech). The two I am considering are:

Samsung 56" DLP:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspag...mcat95100050004&type=product&id=1138085296639

Samsung 50" DLP
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspag...mcat95100050004&type=product&id=1162593226223

It basically comes down to whether 6" inches is worth an extra 200 bucks (and no, I am not talking about that ... otherwise most of us would be lining up with our 200 dollars ready )

Any experience or advice is welcome ... nah, wanted. Please feel free to educate me on this tech and these TVs in particular. I do not want to rush into this with full disclosure.

A friend told me that he uses his 1080P LCD for computer gaming and other PC related stuff. How does this compare to a dedicated LCD monitor?

P.S. As a word of warning/advice, Best Buy is running a No Interest til 2010 ad campaign on their HDTVs.. that's what hooked me.

 

[user 1190]

I dont forsee any new resolutions coming out any time soon. Look how long it took to go from Standard DVD to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. As for 1080p TVs, most experts will say that you will notice very little difference between a 720p and 1080p TV in the 50" range. I would say keep your money for a lil while, these are going to drop in price more and more as they become more popular and more models become available.

 

[DouglasMcc]

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For Dannie:

Wow... you are into repeats now Dannie. It's like David Chapelle in '06 ... we know it should be funny ... we want it to be funny ... but its not. Yet, we keep watching hoping for the best.

As Danny Tripp once said, "You know, Chevy Chase woke up one morning, and he just wasn't funny anymore...."

https://www.tv.com/studio-60-on-the-sunset-strip/b-12/episode/916291/summary.html


As to the TV tech in question, any more related comments or suggestions?

 

[Darth Caedus]

I think Dannie's drunk again and posting on the boards.....

 

[Bannister]

For Dannie:

Wow... you are into repeats now Dannie. It's like David Chapelle in '06 ... we know it should be funny ... we want it to be funny ... but its not. Yet, we keep watching hoping for the best.

As Danny Tripp once said, "You know, Chevy Chase woke up one morning, and he just wasn't funny anymore...."

https://www.tv.com/studio-60-on-the-sunset-strip/b-12/episode/916291/summary.html


As to the TV tech in question, any more related comments or suggestions?

It's sad when you make a reference to a T.V. character and you have to include a link to where the reference came from so people know what the hell you're talking about. Why don't more people watch Studio 60?

 

[DannieDarKo]

It's sad when you make a reference to a T.V. character and you have to include a link to where the reference came from so people know what the hell you're talking about. Why don't more people watch Studio 60?

 

[tomandshell]

Okay, I have a 720P DLP 50" inch TV right now. But the upgrade "itch" is starting to hit me. I know I will eventually purchase a PS3 so I like that option. But how future proof are the current 1080P televisions? If I buy one this X-mas, it will have to last me til 2010 at least. So, I don't want to rush in crazy like and get stuck with a TV that is worthless in a year or 2 (okay, I know it wouldn't be "worthless" ... however, I mean unusable to high tech). The two I am considering are:

Samsung 56" DLP:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspag...mcat95100050004&type=product&id=1138085296639

Samsung 50" DLP
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspag...mcat95100050004&type=product&id=1162593226223

It basically comes down to whether 6" inches is worth an extra 200 bucks (and no, I am not talking about that ... otherwise most of us would be lining up with our 200 dollars ready )

Any experience or advice is welcome ... nah, wanted. Please feel free to educate me on this tech and these TVs in particular. I do not want to rush into this with full disclosure.

A friend told me that he uses his 1080P LCD for computer gaming and other PC related stuff. How does this compare to a dedicated LCD monitor?

P.S. As a word of warning/advice, Best Buy is running a No Interest til 2010 ad campaign on their HDTVs.. that's what hooked me.

Just be careful--there are 1080p sets out right now (like the Toshiba I almost bought at Costco) that will upconvert any signal to 1080p. HOWEVER--they will not accept an actual 1080p input from, say, your PS3. They will only take a 1080p signal downconverted to 720p and then upconvert the lower-res image up to 1080p but with less than half the original number of pixels to work with. I'm a bit confused and in the middle of some research myself, but the important thing I have discovered is that not all 1080p sets will accept a pure 1080p image and display it without tinkering that negatively impacts the image quality. So when you shop, look for a set that displays 1080p AND accepts a native 1080p input. And don't expect the salesperson to know this for sure.

 

[DouglasMcc]

It's sad when you make a reference to a T.V. character and you have to include a link to where the reference came from so people know what the hell you're talking about. Why don't more people watch Studio 60?

Actually, that's the entire reason I posted the link... WATCH THE SHOW PEOPLE! Studio 60 is an intelligent and, more importantly, HILARIOUS take on the television/movie biz. God help us, it will probably go the sad route Sports Night went. Save our Show people... its worth it.

Last for Dannie:
Sure, isn't funny how people switch gears and change humor to annoy when they fail the first time. Oh, well, I will always think of you as a rusty paintball gun. Your shots are all over the place and rarely hit. But, when they do, its actually somewhat effective.

P.S. The only time you really annoyed me was the proth. leg joke - and that's being generous - a few weeks back. Sometimes funny... hell, even annoy... gets confused with bad taste and stupidity. Be careful of that in the future.

 

[Bannister]

Actually, that's the entire reason I posted the link... WATCH THE SHOW PEOPLE! Studio 60 is an intelligent and, more importantly, HILARIOUS take on the television/movie biz. God help us, it will probably go the sad route Sports Night went. Save our Show people... its worth it.

Last for Dannie:
Sure, isn't funny how people switch gears and change humor to annoy when they fail the first time. Oh, well, I will always think of you as a rusty paintball gun. Your shots are all over the place and rarely hit. But, when they do, its actually somewhat effective.

P.S. The only time you really annoyed me was the proth. leg joke - and that's being generous - a few weeks back. Sometimes funny... hell, even annoy... gets confused with bad taste and stupidity. Be careful of that in the future.

I didn't even click on the link. I actually watch the show and enjoy it. I am glad it got a full season pick up. I think the biggest problem with Studio 60's lack of viewers is its lead in. I doubt many people who watch Heroes also watch Studio 60.

 

[nash]

Just be careful--there are 1080p sets out right now (like the Toshiba I almost bought at Costco) that will upconvert any signal to 1080p. HOWEVER--they will not accept an actual 1080p input from, say, your PS3. They will only take a 1080p signal downconverted to 720p and then upconvert the lower-res image up to 1080p but with less than half the original number of pixels to work with. I'm a bit confused and in the middle of some research myself, but the important thing I have discovered is that not all 1080p sets will accept a pure 1080p image and display it without tinkering that negatively impacts the image quality. So when you shop, look for a set that displays 1080p AND accepts a native 1080p input. And don't expect the salesperson to know this for sure.

Ok thats just crazy. why do they make it so difficult?

 

[Darklord Dave]

I'm looking to turn in my 12 year old rear-projection screen TV soon and would be interested in opinions. 1080p is better than 1080i right?

 

[Darth Loki]

I'm looking to turn in my 12 year old rear-projection screen TV soon and would be interested in opinions. 1080p is better than 1080i right?

Supposedly. It's the same amount of pixels, just presented in a different way. Very hard to notice much of a difference between the two though.

 

[user 1190]

I'm looking to turn in my 12 year old rear-projection screen TV soon and would be interested in opinions. 1080p is better than 1080i right?

Well there is no such thing as a 1080i TV. Most TVs that accept 1080i as the highest input are still 1280x720 resolution. If a TV can display 1920x1080 they from what I have seen they accept 1080p signals.

If you want a beter explaination I will go into it again.

 

[tomandshell]

1080i is confusing.

My television has a resolution of 1280x720 pixels. It will do 1080i by eliminating half the pixels every frame and tricking my eye. In fact, there are televisions that have a resolution of 480p that will still do 1080i. But a 1080p television has a resolution of 1920x1080 pixels and will give you the full HD resolution every single frame.

640x480 = 307,200 pixels (480i/p SD/ED)
1280x720 = 921,600 pixels (720p HD)
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels (1080p HD)

So a 720p set has three times the resolution of a standard definition set. But a 1080p set has more than twice the resolution of a 720p set and six times more pixels that a standard definition set. The important question is--what is the native resolution of your set/monitor. That will tell you how many pixels are there on the screen. 1080i on a 720p screen is still only showing you 921,600 pixels per frame because that's all the screen has to play with.

 

[user 1190]

1080i is confusing.

My television has a resolution of 1280x720 pixels. It will do 1080i by eliminating half the pixels every frame and tricking my eye.

A lot of TVs will call this Virtual 1080 at least thats what mine is calls it. I wouldn't consider it 1080i , its just how it handles a 1080i signal.

 

[Nightwings]

It also depends on the size of the tv as well. I have a 62" Toshiba DLP and it has 1920x1080 resolution. It doesn't produce 1080p only i but the 72" version has the 1080p capability. As far as a difference between the two, I compared mine with the 72" and I had a hard time telling the difference between 720p and 1080p. The only true difference I saw was the extra 2000 dollars they wanted for an extra 10 inches of screen. And at that size 10 inches is unnoticeable.

 

[user 1190]

It also depends on the size of the tv as well. I have a 62" Toshiba DLP and it has 1920x1080 resolution. It doesn't produce 1080p only i but the 72" version has the 1080p capability. As far as a difference between the two, I compared mine with the 72" and I had a hard time telling the difference between 720p and 1080p. The only true difference I saw was the extra 2000 dollars they wanted for an extra 10 inches of screen. And at that size 10 inches is unnoticeable.

Are you sending a 1080i siganl or a 720p signal to the 62" in you comparison? If you are sending 1080i to the 62" and 1080p to the 72" you won't notice a difference. They both are producing a 1920x1080 picture. The only difference is that the 62" is not able decode a 1080p signal which I still find a lil odd. There is no way for a it to display 1080i, a DLP can not do interlaced picture, it takes the interlaced signal and converts it to a progressive scan signal to display.

Just curious what model is the 62" that can't take a 1080p signal?

 

[Nightwings]

My tv is a 62hmx195.

https://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en&section=2&group=6&product=6370&category=

As yo can see in the specs it does 480i and 1080i along with 480p and 720p.

I just noticed that they've changed the specs on their 72's now. The model that was available when I bought mine had 1080p but now it doesn't. There's a store in town with one of the older models on display that still has the 1080p ability. This is the one that I was looking at as a comparison. I was comparing 720p and 1080p to see a difference.

 

[user 1190]

That is strange, since there is no resolution difference between 1080i and 1080p signal only a small processing difference but they don't offer the ability to take a 1080p image.

 

[Nightwings]

Yeah that's what I thought when I was buying mine. If it wasn't for the extra 2000 they wanted for the 72" last year I would've got that one but that price difference just was way too high for just that.