Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[FlyAndFight]

I really hope the film is good. But even then, it can't redeem the trilogy. It can only end it on a good note.

 

[RandomHero]

I really hope the film is good. But even then, it can't redeem the trilogy. It can only end it on a good note.

It's not going to be good. It won't be TLJ bad, but it's going to be really freaking bad. I'm so disappointed with the leaks. I'm really hoping they aren't true.

 

[Mandible]

So we didn't get to see the "trio" together one last time, and now Lando and Leia won't see each other - what's the point? Oh, that's right... hoping to pull fans in on nostalgia.

Good job Disney.

 

[ironwez20]

Well I?m glad all the four people excited for this film have a thread to talk about the thrilling final fight between rey and kylo. It?s not like he lost before or anything

 

[YoNoSe]

i?ve actually come around to being cautiously excited - I really liked that Kylo/Palps clip.

But I don?t have the express written consent of the Supreme Leader to post in the Safe Space thread. So you will all have to endure my measured optimism.

 

[SilverStar17]

Yeah the positivity thread is a pretty snowflakey thread title because there’s nothing more ridiculous than safe spaces due to unable to handle dissenting opinions, but seriously, who cares if they like it? Harassing them about it because you dislike it just as much demonstrates an inability to handle opinions that are different from your own. Do those who hate it loathe it that much to the point where you’re unable to stand the thought that someone else likes it?

I really hope the film is good. But even then, it can't redeem the trilogy. It can only end it on a good note.

My sentiments also. I’m not rooting for it to fail, but as I’ve said, I fully expect it to be flaming garbage and have zero expectations. But even if it is surprisingly good, it won’t salvage the overall ST being a mess.

 

[YoNoSe]

Private Echo chambers are for closed FB groups. Public forums are for open discussion.

That said, I’m fine with it until I see “I was told I don’t have permission to post here.” That’s out of line IMO.

 

[SilverStar17]

Private Echo chambers are for closed FB groups. Public forums are for open discussion.

That said, I’m fine with it until I see “I was told I don’t have permission to post here.” That’s out of line IMO.

Agreed. Members on here who tyrannically tell other members where they should and shouldn’t be posting can pound sand. However, if one’s purpose for posting in a thread is just to troll the members of that thread simply because they like something that you hate, what’s the point?

 

[YoNoSe]

Agreed. Members on here who tell other members where they should and shouldn’t be posting can pound sand. However, if one’s purpose for posting in a thread is just to harass the members of that thread simply because they like something that you hate, what’s the point?

Yeah personally I wouldn’t go in there to argue over the movies out of respect. But I also respect that every member isn’t beholden to my etiquette. So when we come to this my thought is, take it off a public forum if the OP wants to control the tone.

I believe you can even start a private group on this site.

 

[YoNoSe]

Anyhoo - I guess the last ad captured my interest because the idea of Kylo actively searching new corners of the galaxy for Sith info is compelling. I enjoyed the dark tone & visuals - I feel like I could see young Anakin doing this.

 

[Ropen]

i?m sick of the puppy heart happiness the normies love of this franchise, they are worse than apple fans, stick anything star wars to a label and they love it, i have to hold my tongue back a lot of times because they get defensive when it comes to any negativity on the franchise, but people forget it?s just criticism on how it could had been better more than anything.


I frequent other forums where the happiness is way over the moon for this film, i am quite frankly glad to see everyone duke it out here, nothing but a bit of tough love, you can complete see how bad kathleen?s aggressive pursuit of new fans reach out to, but complain when the hardcore fans who buy the expensive toys splurge money on ?action dolls? and see no reason to spend money on hot toys, black series or expensive force fx sabers. Those are the fans who just get plush toys and funko pops, yeah real way to isolate fans imho


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[SilverStar17]

Yeah personally I wouldn?t go in there to argue over the movies out of respect. But I also respect that every member isn?t beholden to my etiquette. So when we come to this my thought is, take it off a public forum if the OP wants to control the tone.

I believe you can even start a private group on this site.

My sentiments also. Just because you start a thread doesn’t mean you own the thread and get to control who can and can’t post in it. It’s a public forum.

Don’t get me wrong, creating a separate thread because you want to create an echo chamber of opinions that coincide with your own is as snowflakey as it gets; however, I also don’t think one exactly has the moral high ground when you basically just follow those people into that said thread for no other purpose than to troll them simply because they like something that you hate. Sure anyone can post in it, but if your only purpose for posting in it is essentially to harass them for liking the ST, then why are you posting in it? At that point, you just come across as an *** and someone who’s unable to stand the thought that someone else likes it, and that you need others to hate it too because you do. That’s just as snowflakey as the people who like it who can’t handle any criticism towards it, especially when I notice some of those same people are unable to handle any sort of criticism towards the OT because it’s so dear to their childhood. Both camps (those who like the ST and those who dislike it) imo can be just as intolerable to any opinion that is different from their own.

I dislike the ST just as much as the next person, but if someone does like the ST, I’m not going to purposely **** on their parade and tell them that they’re wrong for liking it and not “real” SW fans. I dislike it; it’s no sweat off my sack if someone else does. I don’t need them to dislike it too.

 

[YoNoSe]

Harassment is obviously a **** move.

I prefer an honest virtual Fight Club.

But for whatever reason assuming an authority position gets my goat.
I’ll save it for my therapist.

 

[SilverStar17]

Harassment is obviously a **** move.

I prefer an honest virtual Fight Club.

But for whatever reason assuming an authority position gets my goat.
I’ll save it for my therapist.

Agreed. I take a hard pass on the mini-tyrant bs when others try and tell you where you should and shouldn’t be posting for their own convenience.

 

[YoNoSe]

Sort if related - I actively seek out positive TLJ analysis because even now I would prefer to like the movie. So I don’t go into those dens looking fir trouble.

My problem is that my problems with it are less to do with the general themes, which supporters seem to celebrate, and more to do with the character motivations, plot management and contrivances, which fans tend to dismiss. For instance this week I watched a 30 minute “pro tlj” video that I was engaged with until the author started inventing reasons and connections that are not supported by the movie.

So it’s challenging to engage.

Also, mostly I’m here for the laughs.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Sort if related - I actively seek out positive TLJ analysis because even now I would prefer to like the movie. So I don?t go into those dens looking fir trouble.

My problem is that my problems with it are less to do with the general themes, which supporters seem to celebrate, and more to do with the character motivations, plot management and contrivances, which fans tend to dismiss. For instance this week I watched a 30 minute ?pro tlj? video that I was engaged with until the author started inventing reasons and connections that are not supported by the movie.

So it?s challenging to engage.

Also, mostly I?m here for the laughs.

It's a film with flaws (as many are), and even the flaws have differing degrees of subjective interpretation. If you can't get beyond the flaws enough to enjoy it overall, then no one is going to have much chance of being able to get you to overlook what bothers you, or to change your point of view on those aspects.

I enjoy it because I find that the strengths of the narrative outweigh the flaws in its execution. But for others, the flaws in execution are more pronounced and bothersome. We all have different tolerances and preferences when it comes to how to enjoy storytelling.

I hate that you haven't been able to find any discussions that could change your perspective on what bothers you most about TLJ, but it might just be because there's too much subjectivity (from *either* side) attached to interpreting even things like character motivation and plot points.

My sentiments also. Just because you start a thread doesn?t mean you own the thread and get to control who can and can?t post in it. It?s a public forum.

Don?t get me wrong, creating a separate thread because you want to create an echo chamber of opinions that coincide with your own is as snowflakey as it gets; however, I also don?t think one exactly has the moral high ground when you basically just follow those people into that said thread for no other purpose than to troll them simply because they like something that you hate. Sure anyone can post in it, but if your only purpose for posting in it is essentially to harass them for liking the ST, then why are you posting in it? At that point, you just come across as an *** and someone who?s unable to stand the thought that someone else likes it, and that you need others to hate it too because you do. That?s just as snowflakey as the people who like it who can?t handle any criticism towards it, especially when I notice some of those same people are unable to handle any sort of criticism towards the OT because it?s so dear to their childhood. Both camps (those who like the ST and those who dislike it) imo can be just as intolerable to any opinion that is different from their own.

I dislike the ST just as much as the next person, but if someone does like the ST, I?m not going to purposely **** on their parade and tell them that they?re wrong for liking it and not ?real? SW fans. I dislike it; it?s no sweat off my sack if someone else does. I don?t need them to dislike it too.

I agree with the larger point you're making, but as to the "snowflakey" charge, I think you're totally mischaracterizing it. Do you really think that posting in that other thread is limited to those who are so timid that they "can't handle" opposing opinions? Do you not see SW as escapism (predicated on enjoying it), and that constantly being told that something sucks just saps the joy out of it? Sometimes people just want to enjoy **** with a like-minded community; it's just as simple as that. That's what I interpreted that other thread to be.

I was the first person to reply in that other thread, but most of my posts on this forum have been in these ST movie threads, constantly going back and forth with those who disagree with me. I'm not afraid to encounter and confront opposing opinions (I actually enjoy it), but it does get old when you're a fan of something and you go into a thread about it just to keep encountering the same exact criticisms and complaints over and over again. Especially when you just want to discuss new movies that don't come around all that often.

If anyone wants to debate something (not just SW), I'll debate you all day long. But some people come to a collectors forum for the community aspect of like-minded fans having a common interest. Most people I know IRL don't give a **** about SW, or anything else we obsess about here. And since there are people here who enjoy the ST and just want the escapist satisfaction of discussing it with like-minded fans, what's the harm of that other thread? Why would you find its existence, or those who post their thoughts there, objectionable?

 

[The Buffinator]

My sentiments also. Just because you start a thread doesn?t mean you own the thread and get to control who can and can?t post in it. It?s a public forum.

Don?t get me wrong, creating a separate thread because you want to create an echo chamber of opinions that coincide with your own is as snowflakey as it gets; however, I also don?t think one exactly has the moral high ground when you basically just follow those people into that said thread for no other purpose than to troll them simply because they like something that you hate. Sure anyone can post in it, but if your only purpose for posting in it is essentially to harass them for liking the ST, then why are you posting in it? At that point, you just come across as an *** and someone who?s unable to stand the thought that someone else likes it, and that you need others to hate it too because you do. That?s just as snowflakey as the people who like it who can?t handle any criticism towards it, especially when I notice some of those same people are unable to handle any sort of criticism towards the OT because it?s so dear to their childhood. Both camps (those who like the ST and those who dislike it) imo can be just as intolerable to any opinion that is different from their own.

I dislike the ST just as much as the next person, but if someone does like the ST, I?m not going to purposely **** on their parade and tell them that they?re wrong for liking it and not ?real? SW fans. I dislike it; it?s no sweat off my sack if someone else does. I don?t need them to dislike it too.

I agree with just about everything you've said, my only caveat being that I wish the haters would at least wait until the movie was out before trashing it. And if they're not going to see it (as many have claimed), why do they feel the need to share that here? They should stick to the TFA and TLJ threads, as those are the films that they've found so offensive and are at the root of their discontent. Also, the ST isn't a trilogy until we see the 3rd film. Once it's out, we can have a nice, lively debate about the quality of this installment and the ST as a whole. Right now I think TROS will need to pull off a Doug Flutie style Hail Mary for me to give a thumbs up to the complete ST, but you never know...

 

[ironwez20]

Lol when I told that one cry baby to make a positive thread I was joking. It?s so hilarious that people can?t debate anymore and start crying when u have a different opinion.

This thread is filled with discussions from both sides and it?s fun reading why people like and hate the movie . Having a negative ***** fest or a hug fest takes the fun out of everything

 

[ZE_501]

[...]Right now I think TROS will need to pull off a Doug Flutie style Hail Mary for me to give a thumbs up to the complete ST, but you never know...

I can accept the possibility of Flutie-style as regards the single film, but for this fan, the trilogy can't be salvaged due to creative decisions that can't be undone, which I've typed about ad nauseam.

 

[lerath666]

Man there's alot of hate in here for a movie no one has seen yet. Only one thing to say to that.