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I hate to ask, but that whole room with the "air lock" is utterly destroyed. if that orange bulkhead is indeed an air lock (which I don't think it is*,) shouldn't it have been triggered by now? Like when the WHOLE AREA was blown away? It kinda makes no sense at all that it's just sitting there untriggered/open when - IF its an airlock - it's specifically designed to seal off the rest of the ship from just such a destruction/depressurization/debris event. Right?

And what you're describing isn't actually seen on screen - you're making an assumption firstly that it's an airlock, and second that's it's triggered in the couple of seconds that it's off-screen. And buttressing the argument by showing a PT security (NOT airlock) door.

And who triggers that orange airlock door? Nobody is watching her directly, and she doesn't do anything visibly to cue us that she triggers it using the force or whatever.


* If you look in the background of the same video where Leia is being wheeled away on the stretcher, you can see "regular" interior corridor doors have the same orange double-wall/bulkhead look to it.

What also makes little sense is that you're essentially saying there are TWO airlock doors in that hallway she drifts into - the one she touches and the orange one. Why would a basic interior command room have TWO airlocks right next to each other? It's something you see in SCI-FI (which SW isn't, though we'll ignore that like RJ did) movies where people physically enter/exit space, not deep inside an interior room like that.:dunno

Are you guys actually nit picking an airlock?

Sweet jesus..... Memba Han walking in outer space inside the throat of a space slug?

Oh I forgot there are a billion explanation for that little ****** move...



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Are you guys actually nit picking an airlock? Sweet jesus..... Memba Han walking in outer space inside the throat of a space slug?

Awww, we picking on Leia Poppins AGAIN?:rotfl

And yes, that nuggety chestnut may have come up...

And to be very clear, Star Wars is NOT science fiction, a fact RJ seems to have overlooked. While there was mention of gravity dampers and supernovas and other sci-fi-like terms in the OT, we never saw people interact with zero gravity, there was no silence in space, no pressure/temperature issues with entering what appears to be no atmosphere inside the space slug etc etc.

Oh I forgot there are a billion explanation for that little ****** move...

Oh look, I found one...

The idea of all of this scene: a human in zero-g, freezing in space, the debris floating in the room, the need for "air locks" - none of this had any precedent in the OT.

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Like Anakin who wiped out an entire Tusken village in rage, Luke got overly angry and emotional for a brief period of time.
These weren't "turning to the dark side" moments, otherwise they wouldn't immediately turn back to normal.

See, stuff like this is why your "certain point of view" can't be viewed as objective.

Both Anakin & Luke were dangerous because they were too old to start training for Jedi & had too many attachments that could stir up negative (Dark Side) emotions. The Emperor even used the Tusken Raider incident to his advantage in the recruitment of Anakin to the Dark Side & Luke was so distraught at being triggered by Vader mentioning Leia that he was going to let the Emperor kill him unless his dad saved him. Which brings me back to my point that Luke was not a perfect character (He's no Rey lol) & his inherit goodness & devotion to his friends were weaknesses as a Jedi that he always struggled with.
 
It does set precedent though where real world spacecraft have double doors on bulkheads to protect against depressurization. It also makes sense for this case, where the bridge is in a very vulnerable spot on the ship.

Double doors incorporated into a bulkhead is NOT an airlock.:gah: Dude...:slap:rotfl

And for someone who claims to enjoy hard scientific aspects, you sure are going with some 100% made-up stuff. You've compared airlock doors to shopping mall doors, confused airlocks with bulkheads, compared a real-world space module the size of a bus to a fantasy universe craft the length of three aircraft carriers and finished off with the claim that the MYTHIC FANTASY Star Wars is "poor at portraying how things work in their universe"?

That MIGHT be because SW is NOT sci-fi, and hard science therefore has no place in SW... which... RJ seems to have not understood... making the Leia Poppins scene not only laughable dramatically, but utterly misguided in terms of its usage of hard science concepts.
 
Double doors incorporated into a bulkhead is NOT an airlock.:gah: Dude...:slap:rotfl

We need to go back to the context of why I highlighted those doors:

Immediately followed by one of the most scientifically unplausible moments of all time; where she taps on the glass, and they all run over and hit the button to open the door to let her inside, without any airlock between them and her, and none of them suited up for what’s about to happen :lecture

I love how a bunch of mist just conveniently obscures what comes next and it cuts to the next scene :lol

It was originally a response to the above comment. The double bulkhead doors would have solved that issue above, since one side can be closed off to the vacuum of space before the corridor side was opened to finally let her in.


And for someone who claims to enjoy hard scientific aspects, you sure are going with some 100% made-up stuff. You've compared airlock doors to shopping mall doors, confused airlocks with bulkheads, compared a real-world space module the size of a bus to a fantasy universe craft the length of three aircraft carriers and finished off with the claim that the MYTHIC FANTASY Star Wars is "poor at portraying how things work in their universe"?

See above. The topic of double doors only came up because of that comment from Popnfresh. Many people did not spot the presence of the double door when she floated in and claim the air should have rushed out when they opened the inner door, hence why I pointed that out. Now we're stuck in semantics. :D

That MIGHT be because SW is NOT sci-fi, and hard science therefore has no place in SW... which... RJ seems to have not understood... making the Leia Poppins scene not only laughable dramatically, but utterly misguided in terms of its usage of hard science concepts.

Based on this claim, then there is nothing wrong with the Leia Poppins scene either, since there is no science in SW, she could have equally died instantly or survived the way she did in the scene. There is no reason for anyone not to think this is impossible or possible because this is a fantasy, and apparently there are no rules so anything is possible. Therefore, anyone who doesn't like this scene is basing their dislike purely on personal subjective bias.
 
We need to go back to the context of why I highlighted those doors:



It was originally a response to the above comment. The double bulkhead doors would have solved that issue above, since one side can be closed off to the vacuum of space before the corridor side was opened to finally let her in.




See above. The topic of double doors only came up because of that comment from Popnfresh. Many people did not spot the presence of the double door when she floated in and claim the air should have rushed out when they opened the inner door, hence why I pointed that out. Now we're stuck in semantics. :D



Based on this claim, then there is nothing wrong with the Leia Poppins scene either, since there is no science in SW, she could have equally died instantly or survived the way she did in the scene. There is no reason for anyone not to think this is impossible or possible because this is a fantasy, and apparently there are no rules so anything is possible. Therefore, anyone who doesn't like this scene is basing their dislike purely on personal subjective bias.

That’s not true, I did see the double doors and I’m sure everyone else did as well. But as I said in my second comment they didn’t shut, nor make any sound of shutting, as they normally would in the SW universe. As it’s such a small thing I didn’t want to get in a little argument over it and let it go with a half agreement in my response. But you’re on and on about it man. I think it’s you who has the subjective bias and you’re just making up stuff to make sure it all fits. It doesn’t. Let it go.
 
Alright fine I will let it go. :) I thought it was a good discussion to have since I did appreciate that part of the film. :)
 
Haha, fair enough, I’m glad you did enjoy it. And passionate discussion is always appreciated so don’t take me too seriously either. As you were!
 
Based on this claim, then there is nothing wrong with the Leia Poppins scene either, since there is no science in SW, she could have equally died instantly or survived the way she did in the scene. There is no reason for anyone not to think this is impossible or possible because this is a fantasy, and apparently there are no rules so anything is possible. Therefore, anyone who doesn't like this scene is basing their dislike purely on personal subjective bias.

It's a common misperception. Fantasy - as a genre - in fact is more rules-dependent than most other genres. I would argue that Star Wars has even more clearly defined rules and conventions than something like LOTR. Like buttons, books and pens, there is NO hard science in SW.

And that last part of your post is about as snicker-inducingly post-modernist as it gets. It hovers somewhere between the junked doctrine of implicit bias and the "it's correct because I feel it's correct."
 
It's a common misperception. Fantasy - as a genre - in fact is more rules-dependent than most other genres. I would argue that Star Wars has even more clearly defined rules and conventions than something like LOTR. Like buttons, books and pens, there is NO hard science in SW.

I know this discussion has dragged out pretty long so I won't address the specific points (that damned door). But I will ask out of curiosity, is it bad for Star Wars to evolve and embrace more sci-fi concepts? Or would you rather they stick to a strictly in the fantasy genre?

I get a feeling that some fans just wouldn't let Star Wars evolve out of the OT concepts.
 
I know that's not directed at me but personally I'd like to see some evolution - I just don't feel TLJ tackled that particular aspect very well. I don't have a problem with Space Leia but I'm a much less analytical viewer than many fans and I see why it bugs them.

I think they did slightly better transitioning from Force telepathy to Force skype, but even that was a pretty big leap to hinge the finale of the movie on (and Luke's ultimate fate).
 
I know this discussion has dragged out pretty long so I won't address the specific points (that damned door). But I will ask out of curiosity, is it bad for Star Wars to evolve and embrace more sci-fi concepts? Or would you rather they stick to a strictly in the fantasy genre?

I get a feeling that some fans just wouldn't let Star Wars evolve out of the OT concepts.

thats complete BULL S-
the games and the comics have done all kind of stories that didnt involve the original trilogy.... didnt even feature any of the characters from the movies....

disney is just ruining everything with poor management
 
That's sad...

It's not the actor's fault if you don't like the direction a movie went. Some people forget that these celebrities are people too.
 
Tran’s exit from Instagram follows Daisy Ridley in quitting social media, after Ridley admitted having to turn to therapy in order to deal with the intensity and vitriol of the rabid and often foul Star Wars fanbase.


this is your fault people...
 
Sad but expected. Still, Jake Lloyd got it the worst... he was only a kid. Messed him up real good. I’m sure these ones (especially Daisy) will be fine.

Also the article is just speculating.. they don’t list the reason for sure, though it very well may be the case.
 
Aw honey. So sad. Denying a millennial her social media is basically like sawing one of her limbs off.

Maybe we should all start a gofundme cause she like, totally deserves it.
 
https://www.pedestrian.tv/film-tv/star-wars-kelly-marie-tran-deletes-instagram/

Kelly Marie Tran Deletes Instagram After Months Of Harassment

"...with speculation rife..."

"...leading fans to speculate... "

"Kelly Marie Tran has yet to issue a public statement on her exit from social media"

"...nor should anyone expect her to."


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Speculation is rife that so-called "journalism" today is in fact ****.

Tran’s exit from Instagram follows Daisy Ridley in quitting social media, after Ridley admitted having to turn to therapy in order to deal with the intensity and vitriol of the rabid and often foul Star Wars fanbase.


this is your fault people...

Actress has to "turn to therapy.":rotfl

The "journalist" has obviously never set foot in Los Angeles or London, and has zero understanding of those who populate the entertainment business.
 
I know this discussion has dragged out pretty long so I won't address the specific points (that damned door). But I will ask out of curiosity, is it bad for Star Wars to evolve and embrace more sci-fi concepts? Or would you rather they stick to a strictly in the fantasy genre?

I get a feeling that some fans just wouldn't let Star Wars evolve out of the OT concepts.

No, evolution is good. Especially when the sole purpose is financial.

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