The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[DarthBakura]

I can't wait to own Avengers, Spidey and Dark Knight Rises on Blu Ray!

 

[CelticPredator]

I just saw the movie, and,
it was good, it was a very good movie, but it was not a good Batman movie, it was just not great, I loved many moments of it, but the lack of batman sadly did affect me,
Bane was really cheesy at some points,

Hold the phone.

Why do you have a TDKR avatar/sig combo if you feel this way.

Also, Batman was in the entire movie. So, I don't know what movie you saw. Unless you're one of those who don't think Batman and Bruce Wayne aren't the same person.

 

[intothevoid]

Well technically you have.

Who said anything about technicality

 

[DiFabio]

Also, Batman was in the entire movie. So, I don't know what movie you saw. Unless you're one of those who don't think Batman and Bruce Wayne aren't the same person.

That dude in the beginning with the beard and cane wasn't Batman or Bruce Wayne.

Batman and Bruce Wayne are two different people bro.

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot bro.

One has a beard, and the other doesn't.

 

[crows]

It was okay. It wasn't anywhere near as good as The Dark Knight or even Batman Begins, I didn't think. But it was still alright.

Probably my main complaints would be, for some reason, a lot of it just was corny and induced eye rolling from me. I've heard people say it's the most emotional film of the three, but I felt it was the least, and also felt it essentially copped out and didn't take any chances with the ending. No one of any particular importance dies in the movie, no one the audience has developed a connection with or cares about. Nothing really bad happens to any of them. In TDK, Rachel dies, and Harvey Dent is mentally and physically mutilated. Nothing like that here.

I don't know. It just felt... empty to me. And it didn't really feel like a Batman movie to me. It didn't have the sense of adventure or crime fighting that the first two films did. In the first two, you felt like Batman was what he was. A man who fights crime, whether it be organized crime, petty crime, or super villain crime. But it was still crime.

They tried to up the stakes in the film, by having the whole city be in peril, at risk of being blown up by a nuclear explosion. But it didn't FEEL like the stakes were higher. Nothing in particular felt ominous or threatening. Nothing really had me on the edge of my seat, or feeling particularly tense. It all felt very absurd and unrealistic, taking away I feel the serious tone of the last film. The Joker may not have threatened Gotham's nuclear holocaust, but what he did do felt much more intimate and real, making it much scarier. In TDK, it felt like what was happening on screen really WAS happening. Or that it was possible. In TDKR, it felt too over the top and eventually, because of that, sort of silly. It just didn't have the same serious or dramatic tone of TDK.

Bane was an okay villain, but his voice sounded ridiculous, very cartoonish and exaggerated. He sounded like he was speaking that way on purpose, not as though that were his actual voice, and it was just hard to take him seriously sounding like that. And really, there wasn't much Tom Hardy could do with his face covered. He had essentially the same expression the entire time, these wide, angry eyes. He wasn't even a quarter as dynamic or engaging or enthralling as the Joker. Not anywhere near. And even though Bane was a physical force and kept snapping necks left and right, I never felt the kind of tension or fear or intimidation from him as I did the Joker. There was nothing likable about Bane, nothing which held you captivated. He just kind of seemed like an _______ who you wanted to get his face beaten in.

Speaking of which, the final battle between Batman and Bane was anticlimactic as hell. He just punches Bane's mask off, and suddenly Bane turns into the _____ of the century, whimpering on the ground and crying. I don't know. Tom Hardy tried his best, but it's just not a very good character, and he didn't have much to work with. When I came out of watching TDK, I was so thoroughly taken with the Joker and the film as a whole, and I didn't feel that at all here.

Another thing was that the film felt very disjointed in terms of timeline and pace. One minutes Batman's getting his ass beat by Bane and dragged off to the other side of the world, and the very next scene, it's three months later. And then it's 20 days until the bomb goes off, and the next scene, its 12 hours. There was no real sense of the passage of time, no real feel of it.

Ann Hathaway was good as Catwoman. I liked her a lot, though it wasn't anything special. Really, nothing in this film was. Joseph Gorden Levitt was good too. But again, nothing spectacular.

And I just had an issue as well with Batman's own characterization. He didn't feel like Batman to me. He has in the previous two films, but here, he seemed like something else entirely.

On top of which, and bear with me, but the Joker's absence in this film was glaring. It was essentially the Joker's actions in the last film which the entire plot of this one was predicated on.

Batman retires for eight years because of what the Joker did, killing Rachel Dawes, and corrupting Harvey Dent, which Batman took the fall for. First off, I think it goes well against Batman's character that he would just retire and retreat into seclusion because of tragedy. His whole crusade is based off of tragedy touching him. So it's not believable to me that he would just quit like that. But essentially, Bane is able to beat the ____ out of Batman because he's been on the sidelines for eight years and is in physically bad condition, and then Bane reveals that Harvey Dent was really a horrible guy and killed all these people to throw the city into a state of despair (which we never really see, by the way). All of this is a direct result of what the Joker did in the last film, and yet we get not mention, not even an allusion to the Joker, and his absence was painfully apparent. It also kind of craps all over what was established between Batman and the Joker in TDK. When the Joker says to Batman "I have a feeling you and I are destined to do this forever", that was a powerful and compelling moment, and summed up so perfectly what their battle really represents. The eternal struggle between chaos and order, creation and destruction. But because the Joker just disappears in this new film, isn't even mentioned or referenced, we as an audience have no idea what happened to him, and it just causes all of what was established and created between Batman and the Joker ring hollow. Which I think is really a shame and too bad.

And while the special affects were of course spectacular, I never felt more wowed or even as wowed by any of it as the effects and actions sequences from TDK. I don't feel anything in this new film matches or tops either the street fight scene from TDK or the Hospital scene.

This movie just felt empty to me, and in part even corny and mockish. I didn't feel any real threat from Bane or his men or what was going on. The climax, with the battle between the police and the mercenaries felt rushed and boring and anti-climactic.

Just in general, it didn't feel as real, or as emotionally impactful or as tense as either Begins or TDK. And it didn't feel to me like a Batman film.

There were a few things I liked. I liked when Bruce first put on the suit again and went out. That had an air of excitement and possibility to it. But it quickly plummeted from there, with Bane taking Batman out (which was a pretty good fight scene, but not great), and then we don't even see Batman again until the end of the film.

It just felt like they were trying to cram too much in to too little time.

As an overall film, I'd give it probably a 7 and a half or eight out of 10. As a Batman film, probably a 6 or 7 out of ten.

It could have been better, and I think they should have stopped with TDK, to let these characters go on living in people's imaginations.

this post sums up everything that crossed my mind, every single thing,

I don't feel it sucked as much, but you said everything I felt,

I completely Agree with the pacing and time, I couldn't believe days and even months were just passing by,

i also did not feel the threat, yes there was a bomb, but who cares, no one in the city knew it was going to blow up, no one cared, people just cared about living and not getting killed, it felt anti climatic since people didnt know,
in TDK with the boats, the tension was super heavy since people knew,

another thing I did not like was the fights, Nolan said how this one was going to have much more action than the other ones, and I did not expect a lot, but this one didn't have a lot of good scenes like that, just a couple, Nolan is a liar lol.

I also felt that Bane sounded fake, sounded like he was trying to sound like that on purpose,

All I can say is I couldnt help but notice some very important things.

1. This film is like Rocky III where Bruce is Rocky and Bane Clubber Lang, yes you will understand the parallels

2. The comic book references, remember in Knightfall Bane wore out Bruce and broke him by making him face ALL his rogues gallery, till he was exhausted to the end.
Here one night in the sack with Talia is enough to drain him. Thats why guys, never give it your all hours before you face a task requiring considerable physical exertion

3. Also it seems Bruce Wayne finally got laid AFTER 8 years...

4. I can see Nolan gave that ending not only to make EVERYONE happy, but also make sure someone like Bryan Singer doesnt do what he did to Chris Reeve's Superman by making Superman Returns. With Bruce out of the game and Robin James Blake inheriting the Batcave, it doesnt mean Robin inherited the mantle, rather it makes sure no one can tinker with a continuity like that...

But c'mom A STATUE?!! They gave Batman a Statue

Oh but I loved the film, going to see it AGAIN in the space of 11 hours...

I really hated that, I really thought Batman was going to have to fight Bane's mercenaries and then Bane would fight him, breaking him, like ou said in your second point, I knew batman was weak and hurt, yeah, but I wish they made him fight a couple of other guys, he totally took out all the Bane guards without even blinking,

this movie made me feel the same way i felt when I saw Matrix Revolutions, I am not comparing the movies, NO!, not at all, I am talking about the way i felt, in my mind, felt a little disappointed

 

[CelticPredator]

So lose that TDKR sig and move on.

 

[crows]

Hold the phone.

Why do you have a TDKR avatar/sig combo if you feel this way.

Also, Batman was in the entire movie. So, I don't know what movie you saw. Unless you're one of those who don't think Batman and Bruce Wayne aren't the same person.

I just saw it today, I saw the movie today, I just came from it, I still love catwoman, so the sig stays

you can say they are the same person, but you dont see Bruce wayne beating up criminals, just like you dont see batman hanging around with rich people in charities or in board rooms,

yes they are the same person, but they are not, what ones does the other doesnt do, and to the people of Gotham they are not the same person either, they are different,
Bruce even told Selena about his "special friend" lol,
just because you see Bruce wayne aka Batman, doesn't mean you are seeing batman, if that makes any sense

yes we saw Bruce Wayne, but no we did not see batman a lot, at least Bruce wayne as batman, if you want to get technical, is like saying "Bruce Banner is Hulk, if you see Banner therefore you see Hulk bla bla bla Im stupid"
the answer is, no, Hulk is Hulk and Banner is Banner, same person, but different,


the funny thing is that, I thought I was going to hate Prometheus, and I loved that one, I was sure I was going to love Dark Knight Rises, and I was disappointed

 

[CelticPredator]

I saw Bruce Wayne even when he had the cape on.

You can't be a nolanite if you don't like this movie.

 

[crows]

the sig stays,
and I never said i was a Nolanite, I just love the batman movies, I am pretty sure I will grow to like this one,

but for now I was disappoint.

who are you? Special Needs Signature Police? GTFO

I did love Catwoman, I love Anne, she was amazing, best thing about the movie,
I have a catwoman sig so EAT IT!

 

[intothevoid]

the sig stays,
and I never said i was a Nolanite, I just love the batman movies, I am pretty sure I will grow to like this one,

but for now I was disappoint.

who are you? Special Needs Signature Police? GTFO

Many people said they were disappointed the first time but loved it on subsequent viewings

I loved it the first time and it just gets better and better every time for me. Notice new things, references, connections... etc.

 

[DiFabio]

Both of your signatures are lame. Get rid of em.

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah, you haven't seen TDKR until you've seen it on IMAX 15/70

Warning: The plotholes may be larger now.

 

[CelticPredator]

Both of your signatures are lame. Get rid of em.

 

[Calvin Candie]

the sig stays,
and I never said i was a Nolanite, I just love the batman movies, I am pretty sure I will grow to like this one,

but for now I was disappoint.

who are you? Special Needs Signature Police? GTFO

I did love Catwoman, I love Anne, she was amazing, best thing about the movie,
I have a catwoman sig so EAT IT!

why did it take you so long to see it?

 

[CelticPredator]

Warning: The plotholes may be larger now.

People who find plot holes in movies, don't like movies. .

Honestly, all movies have plot holes. **** happens. *******. This movie isn't perfect, and it's got it's flaws, but Christ on a cracker cross covered in butter.....

Sick of plot holes, and nitpicks. I wish people would go back to the basic things that make a film film flawed. Like acting. Or character development. Dialogue. Writing.
Ya know, stuff that could've been avoided before the film was done. Plot holes normally come from the edit. Sometimes things must be cut in order to have a tighter, more cohesive movie.

https://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/11/top-10-movie-plot-holes-you-probably-never-noticed-before/

You want to ruin movies, find plot holes.

****ing plotholes.

 

[DiFabio]

Like acting. Or character development. Dialogue.

You mean like Bane and Talia?

Writing . . . plot holes.

Wait, isn't the writing part of plot? Don't plot holes reflect the writing?

 

[intothevoid]

You mean like Bane and Talia?




Wait, isn't the writing part of plot? Don't plot holes reflect the writing?

Bane's acting was superb

Talia was good until her death.

 

[CelticPredator]

YES! That's the real problems with the film. Poor acting in a few places.

And not always no.

Nolan could've wrote, and filmed every single thing that fixed every plot hole in the entire film. But...had to cut down for time. Bruce needed to get back to Gotham. That was the point of that scene. To spend 15 minutes getting to that resolution would've been pointless. He's there. Let's move on.

I'm just saying. I hate everyone's obsession with finding plot holes. It's ruining the fun of movies. If the point of the scene is to get a character here, but he has to do this, this and this, you might cut some corners to keep the film moving.

A perfect film would be boring. Every little detail would be filled in, and it would be a tedious mess.


Just go after the ****ty acting, and dumb dialogue.

 

[karamazov80]

Bane's acting was superb

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