The Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

[rushmore223]

Here you go guys, you can thank me later.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Predator vs Predator 2 thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Predator vs Predator 2 thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

I'm hoping this will either encourage them to leave the review thread or stop altogether. If they are going to keep this up, at least it can be contained here.

 

[WWEJedi]

Re: Predator vs Predator 2 thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

And you all thought I was bad with the PT threads

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Predator vs Predator 2 thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

I'm hoping this will either encourage them to leave the review thread or stop altogether. If they are going to keep this up, at least it can be contained here.

What are we...a bomb?

Oh, and it should be the P2 thread, because we're not arguing which one is better.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Predator vs Predator 2 thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

We're getting a ****** Ghostbusters and a ****** Turtles movie this year and you're seriously having a Predator v Predator 2 argument?

And both are great!

 

[WWEJedi]

Re: Predator vs Predator 2 thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

Here is a recap of the debate....

Spoiler

Big deal...and for the Predator to be in a city is just plain retarded to begin with. Yeah, invisible fighter who can kill people whenever he wants is looking for a challenge, right...he's there to hunt the most "worthy" human he can find, but not because they're a challenge. Still, Glover wasn't even the most worthy character in his own film. Busey was a better trophy.




Please, the equivalent of Dutch? GTF out of here....he's not even the equivalent Dillon




There is plenty wrong with a Predator in someone's bathroom...in some building




They're working together...and not once are they given a meaningful character moment of them together....she goes from grabbing him to...nothing happens ...to subway death. There's nothing to miss.




And I believe you were telling the truth, unlike some of the other posts saying that the cast of P2 is just as good. That's so absurd, I don't believe you believe it.




None of that makes him a better character Some of those traits are so generic, no wonder why he's not a memorable character at all.






Actually, that was your initial point, that P2's character dynamic was so subtle and not over the top that it's the reason it's not as memorable as P1, but I guess you changed your mind again So I asked what was so over the top about P1's character dynamic compared to P2? The only difference between the two casts, is that one is memorable and quotable, and the P2 is forgettable...seriously, ask anyone about P2'S cast...there's nothing they can say about them.






I'm only accepting what the films offers, you are the one bringing real world knowledge into a fictional LA city while watching some thugs shoot some guns. There's was nothing about their skills in the film that suggests they have any training or that they are elite in any way....even Glover don't mention anything. At least in P1 we're looking at people in uniforms and an organized group.




The reason AVP sucks has nothing to do with us knowing more about the Predator civilization. I think most people and Predator fans want to know more about their history, culture, and civilization...that's the next logical step, not gives up a mediocre sequel with a similar looking predator in a new setting, making it a less effective copy of the first film.



The only thing interesting about P2 is when Glover goes in the ship and we see the Alien skull among the other trophies and we learn that they have been around for a long time, but instead of exploring all those options, we get a monster in a city instead of the jungle...yeah, very creative.





Yeah, Vegeta is more interesting than Superman. His evolution as a character is more interesting than anything I've seen from Superman.

Yet you never managed to tell me how the Pred being in the city is any different AT ALL from being in the jungle.

Busey was a better trophy? What are you trying to do? you can't be serious, you must know this is a very easy argument to prove wrong so you must be trolling. Why do you always end up trolling? Can't you disscuss nice?


It's absurd and ridiculous. But nothing wrong with it.


You missed it, it's alright, you're not willing to give it a chance, no big deal.


Then you are wrong, again.


It does, it really does.


That wasn't my initial point at all, dude, you always twist arguments with your misunderstandings, I said it was subtle and that's why YOU MISSED IT.

When did I change my mind for the 1st time?

No, you asked what was so over the top about P1, read it again, if you're asking NOW about what's so over the top about P1's crew, nothing, but that's nowhere near what I was talking about.

You can get all sorts of quotes from P2, why do you keep using the fact that you don't remember stuff as an argument?


You do know cartels and guerrillas exist in real life right?

The fact that they're a Cartel, which means they're run INTERNATIONAL operations.... Yeah, not organized at all.


That's not the next logical step, that's the fanfic way of thinking


It is, in fact.

And they don't need to explore those options, leave that **** to us, you're really used to being spoon fed aren't you?


You haven't seen much then.

If I have to explain why a Predator in a city is just plain wrong, then...you either saw P2 before you ever saw P1, or you just don't get it.

Busey not only knew about the Predator before Glover, he was hunting him, he went toe to toe with him and even after getting burned, he kept fighting and coming back. That's P1 worthy right there...keep your "super" ...average cop.




And that's why it's wrong, thank you




Give me a meaningful moment with the two of them...go ahead.



Haven't been wrong yet though...my whole point is that P1 is significantly superior to P2, which it is.




Makes him different than Dutch, but not better. Big difference.




But that's what we were talking about, the crew, which is what P1 is mostly about, a group of soldiers in a jungle. There are plenty of subtle moments in P1, and yet not only are the characters more memorable, they are better too, unlike P2.



The fact there's nothing quotable about the film...it has less to do with my lack of memory and more to do with mediocre writing. How often do you see people quoting P2?




They didn't seem very skilled at all.




Oh, you have no problems imagining things...you have proved that Spoon fed? You want the same formula over and over again. It has nothing to do with being spoon fed, and more to do with exploring a whole different world, race, and history, but you just want a less effective carbon copy of the first film in a city Boring...which is why the film is forgettable and no one gives a **** about it. What's your ideal Predator 3? Let me use my imagination and guess....Alien in a new city chasing new guy who has a fear of female private parts...so it will pay off when the Predator takes off his mask and he can re use the "your're one ugly" line from P1 because the writers couldn't come up with something new and original



I've seen enough, but one of the advantages DBZ has over Superman, is that there's mostly one consistent canon, whereas Superman, it's all over the place, which has some benefits too, but that lack of consistency makes him less interesting overall, because there are many different versions of the character, and they end up being different characters. So for example, Superman from Red Son can be interesting, but that's not really Superman...or the version from All Star is interesting, but again, it's just a different version.

But it isn't wrong, and you failed to prove otherwise. And no I saw P1 first.

You don't like the city, that's all well and good, but there's nothing inherently wrong about that setting for the predator.


I give up.


Jesus.


I can, but I'm not gonna spoon feed you any longer, like I said if you missed it, it's ok, no big deal.


You have, twice, and I've pointed out both times.


Okay, different AND better.


But it wasn't, I said the interactions between the P2 crew was more subdued and it didn't need to be over the top because the movie had plenty over the top already, then you literally asked what's so over the top about P1, not about the crew, if you meant about the P1 crew, I already gave you my answer.


What's mediocre about it? Does good writing = quotable? I remember a couple of bad one liners that are equally quotable but I won't bag on P1 for it.

And there are plenty quotes. But at this point you just won't see eye to eye.


And the guerrillas did


If by the "imagining" things you mean the guerrilla and cartels again, I thought it was pretty clear that I'm going by what is very widely known, and you were going by what you didn't know, that is imagining.

Carbon copy? And you have no problem with Predators? Predators is a carbon copy, Predator 2 may use the same formula but it at least mixed things up.

Why are you getting so sassy?


Fair enough, but why would you want to go by the lowest common denominator when talking about a 75 year spanning character? You take the defining the highest one, the one it's praised for.

DBZ may be more consistent, but Goku is still pretty 2Dimensional when compared to Superman, as well as the vast majority of the rest of the DB characters.

Red Son Superman is pretty much Superman character-wise, and All-Star is Silver Age condensed into one book.

Look man, no offense but I give up take this one, we're just not seeing eye to eye on this one.

All the prove I need is the film itself....Predator works best in a Jungle environment, not in a building




Wise decision




He won't help you...he also hates P2.




I can spoon feed you some P1 scenes. Give me at least ONE scene with Jerry and the chick. You can't.




Nah, your argument is flawed to begin with.




Don't forget...forgettable.




My point is that P1 is about the crew...you know, soldiers in a jungle. And their acting isn't really over the top at all, with plenty of subtle moments, yet they are more memorable.




What's mediocre? It's not an original sequel, and most great films have quotable dialogue and timeless moments.




They were resting We never saw them in action, so no way to know.




You are still assuming things about thugs that we know nothing about from a fictional world, using real world knowledge. I can give you the guerilla thing in P1 maybe, because that could be in any jungle in Central America and it's not necessarily a fictional world like the L.A. from P2.



I told you I didn't like the Predators cast, but at least they went back to basics to a jungle, plus putting different humans with different backgrounds, including serial killers, yakuza guys, prisoners...etc...on an alien planet for the sole purpose of hunting, is more interesting than some Predator in a city killing cops. It's not the most original film, but it was a safe film to restart the franchise after all the bad sequels and AVP films. P2 was just an odd sequel, when they could have expanded that universe and explore other aspects of that universe, but instead we got a fictional L.A. with a Predator fighting cops.



I'm not...yet




I agree about Goku and most characters. I was only talking about Vegeta.

But you didn't prove that at all.


You don't need to, I remember them perfectly, and I can give you one scene with Jerry and the chick, but I won't, like I said, I'm not gonna spoon feed you any more and even if I did you're not going to recognize it.


Saying it doesn't make it true, you have to prove that, and you haven't.


I guess I have eidetic memory or something.


But I wasn't talking about that, you always do this, you twist the argument and drag the point you twisted into being


You really don't remember the bad lines?


Convenient.


Dude, I'm assuming things about a Cartel because of how Cartels ARE you were assuming things about cartles and guerrillas based on what you didn't know about BOTH.

If anything, the fact that LA's violence is exaggerate means the threat level of their thugs should be equally exaggerated. Don't you think?


They did not need to explain anything, what they hinted at was more than enough.


Same.

What, that the film isn't as great as P1? The 25% on RT, the 4.6/10, and 40% fan approval on RT aren't enough?

I thought you were giving up, yet here you are...perhaps this is the ultimate baiting, have you ever thought about that? A bait within a bait within some truth




I saw the film years ago. I'm sure I'll remember the scene if you say it...go ahead.



Film is subjective...but even you agreed at one point that P1 is better, so I'm not just saying it, nor do I need to prove anything anymore. I can make a poll if you like, and we'll see how people view P2 compared to P1.




Are you calling me a woman?



In P1? Not that many, but then again Arnie can make good lines sound silly with his accent. Still, even great films have bad lines, it doesn't mean anything.



It's true though.




Yeah, you assume too much, that's been established. I don't know enough about either group in the films because they don't do much except...get kill. The film doesn't give too much info about them and their skills in P2 aren't anything special.



We don't know. That's an assumption...you're doing it again.



I said explore and and expand the universe...and most people would agree that's a good thing with endless possibilities...just ask NECA But hey...you want alien Jason Vorhees, except even he evolved. I give them credit for at least trying new things.



Still, I'll take him over Superman from the animated series.

Not only that's not enough, that's absolutely nothing, appealing to popularity is absolutely nothing and that's what your argument amounts to.

I did give up, I'm no longer trying to discuss with you you're just not willing to discuss. Another time.


Do you really think you're gonna catch me bluffing? There are a couple scenes, not only one, you can stop trying, if you want to know which one it is, watch the movie again, if you miss it again, you missed it, no big deal.


Yeah, so?


You actually did need to prove a couple things but you simply ignored them, which is why I gave up, make a poll if you want, go ahead, you're still appealing to popularity.


I'm calling you a

Spoiler

baiter

It means absolutely everything when you're claiming P2 has bad writing, P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.


smh


Yes I assume from what is known info, you assume from what you don't know, that's been established indeed.

The film doesn't need to establish cartels nor guerrillas, cartels are cartels and guerrillas are guerrillas, how do you expect these "fictional" groups to not share traits from the real life groups? :


I'm playing to your logic, or are you gonna deny that LA 10 times more violent than it is in reality?

We don't know anything about either group in the movies, yet, to you it doesn't make sense that you draw "assumptions" based on what these groups are SUPPOSED to be you think it's more logical to think guerrillas are more organized than cartels because they're wearing uniform, and that thinking otherwise because that's not how it really is, is "assuming".

Who's getting sassy now?

Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.




I can watch the clips on Youtube if you give me a hint...



There was not much to discuss to begin with...you like a film and I don't like it that much, but you think it's a great sequel because you probably saw it when you were a kid, so nostalgia has blinded you.



If you agree that P1 is better, then they are not of equal quality...which goes against one of your points.




It's okay, you know the superior film will win the poll.



No, because P1 is the original, the film that gave us that world and the main creature...and P2 is an uninspired copy in a new setting. That alone shows how the writing is not equal. One film is full of memorable moments and lines but that's not enough prof for you... but hey, you want to be cool by not liking popular stuff! Fine



They didn't show any real skills and they were high on drugs One group was ambushed and the other don't even show any tactical skills if they're ex military...I guess you can blame the directors or the second unit director for that.



I'm judging the thugs based on their lack of tactical skills and the P1 guerillas didn't do enough for me to judge their skills because they were ambushed, by what seems to be a superior group which shows tactical skills through the film. Can't say that about the LA cops.

But you are appealing to popularity a whole lot, I'm not getting sassy, you are not backing up your arguments, you're literally just throwing the RT score which mean absolutely nothing and you know it.

And I have shown how P2 is a great sequel, you're just been nu-uh-ing the whole time.

Do I really sound like WWEJedi? Or are you just spiteful at this point? Out of both of us, who's the one who ignored the burden of proof, yet, demanding to get proof or a certain scene?


Watch the movie. It beats the point if I tell you, if you miss it you miss it.


Actually no, nothing about my argument was about nostalgia, first it was that I saw P2 before P1, which isn't true, and I actually saw P2 much much later, probably in my teens, so nostalgia has nothing to do with it, I've supported my arguments but you just won't hear it, no biggie.


Did I say they were equally better? I said parts of both were equally better, in fact, I recall specifically saying structurally both are just as solid, and artistically P1 being better. You're twisting the argument yet again.


And?


Not liking a popular film? When did I say I didn't like P1? why are you so desperate? Are you alright? Jesus

And none of that has to do with writing, Jesus Christ dude. In fact, I can pinpoint a semi-plot breaking plot hole in P1, P2 is without such a thing and in fact, works around that brainfart from P1, in a better way, because of the motivations of Harrigan, but I just know you'll just go nah nah nah


You're just gonna work your way around this aren't you? Fine.

No, not just the RT score, also a review which made some good points as to why P2 falls short compared to P1, yet you completely ignore it by simply saying...who wants to know more about Predator? You have made no argument as to why P2 is a great sequel, and you totally sound like WWEjedi, and that has nothing to do with spite, that's just how you sound defending a mediocre film.




The movie is on youtube, just tell me the scene and I'll watch it...no need to watch the whole thing



No you haven't..at all actually, you just ask questions and when I ask a question about a simple scene, you won't even give a hint



And that ...



which is not true at all, but I already explained why, but you ignored it of course and then accuse me of ignoring your "powerful" arguments





The story of an elite group of soldiers being hunted by a reptile like Alien has nothing to do with the writing? The great character intros, the lines, and a great first, second and third act has nothing to do with the writing? If you actually read the "Hunter" script, you'll see how detail it is and how much of what you see on screen is on the script.




Neither film is perfect and all films have plotholes so pointing out such things in no way makes the uninspired sequel a better film





Yup

What are you talking about? I addressed the review and I maintain it's retarded to take away the mystery from the Predator.

I have made plenty of arguments and I could quote them again, why are you so hell bent on covering your ears? I don't get it.

I sound like WWEJedi huh? I'm perfectly fine with P2 being the under-appreciated little gem it apparently is , I It doesn't have nearly as many flaws as the PT and I don't intend to defend it from those who bash it, I'm replying to you cause you're a bro and I thought you wanted a chill discussion, but man, you've been acting weird lately.


Dude, I asked you like 3 times to explain why is the jungle so pivotal to the Predator and you could not do it, 3 times, you just ignored me, yet you expect me to just spoon feed you a scene you missed.


It is true, and you haven't explained why not, nu-uh isn't an explanation. None of us have even touched the subject of the writing in either movies.


That's not what you said in the part your post I quoted is it? Seriously, what is it that you need to twist, ignore, make up arguments, do you not want a serious discussion?


The fact that one has a semi-plot breaking moment and the other one doesn't doesn't give credit to the latter? Alright.

Your response was completely dismissive and then you say the reason AVP sucked was because we knew too much about the Predators, which is in no way true. See..



There are a million reasons as to why all the AVP aren't great, but it has nothing to do with exploring the Predator race, world, history or developing those characters and world. The Predator doesn't need to be mysterious after P1...and a good sequel develops the ideas and characters from the first film. Changing the setting, and giving us a similar Predator is not breaking new ground from a story telling point of view.





Yep, you argued with him so much...some part of him got imprinted on to you...Smith/Neo style




I did. You just ignored it like everything else. I told you that he's a hunter, that the environment played a role in the film because he knew the jungle and the soldiers didn't, which gave him a tactical advantage, and that given that the design of the character is that of a lizard like character who uses camouflage...or invisibility in the jungle, it made more sense for him to be in a jungle, which is what the writers wrote to begin with. They didn't start with him in a modern city for a reason. Just because he could turn invisible in a city or in other environments doesn't mean is appropriate for the character, but that wasn't good enough just like the review's point are "retarded"....great response to the review along with "who wants to know more about the Preadtor world or culture?"

You still haven't given me one meaningful scene/moment between Jerry and the chick that shows their relationship developing...don't think I forgot about that.



The memorable lines, the character's dialogue with each other, the fact that P1 creates the world which P2 just borrows and changes the setting...I mentioned those things which are connected to the writing.





I'm not twisting anything..



P1 created the main components which the second just borrows and it uses in a less effective way compared to the original film. Basically, P1 is more original than P2.



That's good, but lets not forget that alone doesn't make it a better film. It might be an improvement in ONE area, but overall the original still created the main components which the second just borrows and it uses in a less effective way compared to the original film, which is one of the reasons I said that the writing in P1 is superior, because it's what started it all.. and it's more original than P2.


And another thing not related to any of your posts. I've been watching Predaturd 2 scenes on youtube, and Glover's overacting is horrendous. As ridiculous as it might sound, Arnold is way more subtle with his acting and gives a much better performance than Glover....plus all those cliches like the angry boss yelling at Glover, the new guy/partner Paxton, and the annoying reporter Die Hard style and Robert Davi playing a similar role like in Die Hard make this film an early 90's time capsule of what not to do in a sequel. What a mess of a film Glover isn't even the worst as crazy as that sounds, Paxton takes it to a whole different level of cheesiness....maybe it's his voice. The best actor in that film (which is not saying much) is the Salsa singer Ruben Blades while the most badass is Busey.

No, I said ONE of the reasons it sucked was that, and IT WAS, not only did they try to make them proto-aztecs, which was retarded and dissonant. They also tried to develop a character, which sucked even more.

Hell, I don't know why you're against using the same formula, twice they've tried to "explore" in a very fanfic way and both times it sucked, the same formula in a different kind of environment is the way to go, and P2 did develop certain ideas and gave us a little more insight of what the Predators are, just enough, they didn't need to go and turn it full AVP.


That was low, you go and defend TDKR every chance you get and I don't use such below the belt hits


I ask again, in what way does he "use" the jungle? In what way does he do anything different than what he does in the city? THAT ^ is not an answer, "He's a hunter" Well he's hunting in the city too, "he knows the jungle" Well he knows the city, "Camouflages" his bloody camouflage is literally making himself invisible, how is that any different in the city? You keep saying "he used the environment against them" HOW??? At the end the environment worked against him in P1. Didn't it?

And you're right, that's not good enough an answer AT ALL, you're trying too hard to work your way around this one too, my question is simple, what does he do in the jungle that is any different at ALL, of what he does in the city?


You say it like I'm running away from that, I've said it 4 times now, I am not going to spoon feed what you missed, if you want to know, watch it again, it's there, if you miss it, you missed it.

You're not one to demand to that when you've tried so hard give me a non-answer in the question above.


That's not talking about the writing, give me specific lines, specific plot points and why they're good, you're just saying "the writing's good because the lines are good" that's not justification.

Although you don't need justification, I know P1 is great, I've quoted some lines myself in the review, but somehow you turned this argument into me hating P1 and saying P2 is better what the hell man?


Well duh!


That may be so, but having an original idea doesn't = writing it better, I'm simply saying the script in P2 is slightly, slightly more solid than P1's, if less original.


Jeeeez

I know what you said because I quoted your post Like I said about AVP, there are plenty of reasons why those films are bad, like the human characters getting in the way, the setting, even the design of the predators wasn't great, but the idea of exploring the predator race isn't really why those films failed, not that they did a great job with it either, but the only interesting thing about P2 it happens at the end when Glover goes inside the ship...but all that is wasted, and they did nothing with it. P2 just puts the predator chasing a cop in a modern city...using every 90's cliche. It's a bad movie....





First, he is hunter, jungles and forests are environment suitable for hunting, which is why people leave a city when they go hunting, and yes he knew the jungle because he or his kind...not sure that was clear, had been in that jungle since the woman/prisoner was younger. Arnie's crew had never been there before, so they didn't know place as well as the Predator, which is one of the reasons even when Dillon and Max can keep track of him, he was able to kill them even though they had a strategy to get him, but he was able to get around them and it wasn't just because he was "invisible." The city is not an unfamiliar place...especially for a cop or a human...even Busey's character was hunting the Predator and was keeping track of him, which is something that never happens in P1 because they have a lack or resources and they were stuck in a foreign place with no way out. It's called home field advantage, dude.



Yes, so? That was one of the best parts of the film, seeing the hunter become the hunted..briefly, seeing the usage of the mud, and Dutch using the jungle as a weapon to his advantage is all possible because of the Jungle environment...the whole movie benefits from the jungle setting, which is why I've been saying Predator belongs in Jungles/Forests environment, because it's like a character in the film. They literally have scenes of characters like Billy looking at the environment...observing the trees and we see it from his point of view. It's kind of like how the Revnant has all these shots of the environment where nothing is really happening but we see it from the character's point of view, whereas the city in P2 is not really as interesting.



His powers are the same, but he has home field advantage, and he benefits from it in P1, which he does since the trees are out of reach for the humans and the jungle is nothing but tall trees, combine that with the crew's lack of knowledge of the area, their limited resources, and the Predator can literally be on top of them...constantly.




I'm not implying anything, but if in your mind you are interpreting what I'm saying a certain way, then maybe you are running away from the question and you know it, so maybe that's why you view what I said that way. All I have to do is watch the scenes with Jerry and Leona...which aren't that many...and I don't even have to because they are never given a meaningful moment together of character developing. They just worked together ....but hey, it's okay...don't worry about it.




There was no need to give specific plot points or specific lines...although I did reference the character's intro and how great it was compared to P2. I told you to read the Hunter script which is very detailed compared to a lot of other scripts ...but now you want to be spoon fed lines and plot points...seriously? As far as what we are discussing, my point was always that P1 is significantly a better film, and that P2 was not as good, although after watching part of the film on youtube, it reminded me how bad it was, so my point has evolved. If things evolved into something else, it can happen when quoting so many lines and paragraphs and there can be some misinterpretations, but we did agree at one point that P1 is the best film, but you still felt that P2 was almost as good as P1, which your score of 8.5 and the P1 score of 8.5, does suggest that they are at least equal, in your opinion.





But it's not just because it's an original idea...which is a factor because that's the foundation in which the script it built on, but the scenes written in P1 are more memorable like I've said before, Dillon's and Dutch's intro , that was written just like it happens in film and it's feels original with the epic hand shake, the "pushing too may pencils" line, all memorable elements which make the scene great , whereas P2's character's intro isn't memorable at all. That says something about the writing, especially when P2 is just using cliche characters like the angry boss yelling at Glover..and Glover is the stereotypical cop who breaks the rules and doesn't follow the orders. One of the first things they tell you when you're studying screen writing is to avoid obvious cliches...oh and starting a film with a dream and a character waking up, but that doesn't apply to P2, it does apply to Batman Begins and Matrix 2 though



It's true, the acting is horrendous and the cliche characters and moments are so dated, it's embarrassing. The only thing that can make that film an even worse 90's film, is if Jean Claude Van Damme shows up doing a split in it

As I said, it's PART of it, and it is indeed, taking away mystery from the Predator is tasteless and unnecessary.


A human hunter hunts in the jungle or in a forest because that's where preys are at an Alien hunter hunting in the city because that is where game is is not illogical at all.

He also got around Keyes' team despite having a en even more elaborate and sophisticated plan to get him. ??? No difference yet.


He becomes the prey in P2 too ? See? Still no difference, the city is very interesting, everybody losing their minds because of the heat and the crime, Harrigan seeing the cloaked Pred in the building with a look on his face wondering if it was a heat mirage, that **** was great.


Home field advantage, huh? Yet it differs in nothing from what he does in P2... Trees are out of reach? It's not like Dutch went full Tarzan at the end right?

Lack of knowledge of the area can be achieved in the city, but how is that related to the Predator himself?



I'm not running away from it, I'm just not spoon feeding you.


The Hunter script? I missed that.

That's not spoon feeding, you were saying how P2 writing was "bad", yet you don't specify how? Because you don't remember it? Ok.

Actually, soon after I gave the scores I wanted to change it but forgot, I was gonna give P1 a 9 and P2 an 8, because I started listening to the soundtracks, and not only P1 soundtrack is glorious, the movie is *perfectly* musicalized and paced, whereas P2's pace is more crude and the soundtrack, save for a few tracks, is lackluster.


You keep saying P2 is cliche like if P1 wasn't, BOTH movies are LOADED with Cliches, I actually just found a thread in 4chan talking about the movie there's a post of a guy who describes it pretty well.

Predator: cliche commando movie with hints of strange **** until the second half
Predator 2:cliche detective movie with bits of strange **** until the second half

Speaking of which, did you start that thread? /tv/ - Now that the dust has settled... What does /tv/ th - Television & Film - 4chan

Since you like appealing to popularity, look at the amount of people who think "exploring" the Predators background is a stupid idea, I haven't posted there btw.


The acting from Blades and Alonso was iffy at times, not much outside that.

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[Snake Plissken]

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[WWEJedi]

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[rushmore223]

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He'll be missed (I hope) otherwise, I'll be missed.

 

[rushmore223]

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Here is a recap of the debate....


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Thanks for the community service!

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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Walls of texts that scroll forever......

This

 

[cmiller99]

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You must spread some reputation around before giving it to rushmore223 again.

 

[RIDDICK]

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[a-dev]

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Everyone thought everyone else didn't know what the hell they were dealing with in that film.

 

[greygoose]

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[ironwez20]

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Lmao. Why is this so funny?

 

[YoNoSe]

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He'll be missed (I hope) otherwise, I'll be missed.

My wife is a 3rd grade teacher. She overheard this from two students on Monday -

Kid1: My Dad said if Donald Trump wins we're moving to Mexico.
Kid2: You can't! That's where they're putting up the wall!

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Predator 2 debate thread aka Gaspar vs Clown Prince debate thread

My wife is a 3rd grade teacher. She overheard this from two students on Monday -

Kid1: My Dad said if Donald Trump wins we're moving to Mexico.
Kid2: You can't! That's where they're putting up the wall!

Gotta love kids!

So that's the real reason, to keep us from leaving!


If it wasn't so funny, I might have to cry.

 

[higgins1989]

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There is a thread for this lol.