The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[thenammagazine]

This is why I say some of you need to not take this stuff so seriously. It's just people having fun...

I bet there are burly bears out there writing picket signs because of that meme.

 

[rushmore223]

Remember when he chastised them at the fence for naming the zombies?

But I think you're mixing up two points. Everybody here pointed out Rick's hypocrisy in excommunicating Carol after she "killed those two" despite her being right (even though I think now we'll find she was covering for the girls), given Carl shot the Woodbury kid and Rick shot and killed the two dudes in the bar. ALL were risks to the group.

Ooooh. The second set of hands pulling the bodies explained!

 

[Snake Plissken]

I bet there are burly bears out there writing picket signs because of that meme.

 

[devilof76]

Carol wasn't exiled for killing to protect the group. She was exiled because she took responsibility for murdering people who got sick. If people want to pretend that having a communicable disease is equivalent to pointing a loaded gun at someone, they're free to entertain that delusion.

 

[Buttmunch]

Carol was trying to prevent the spread of an unknown, highly lethal disease that had already killed a great many people in the prison (both from the actual disease and the zombies they turned into). She tried to save lives by ending the lives of two sick people early. They had no medicine at this point. They were going to die anyway. In a way, she euthanized them. She only had good intentions. She's not an evil, blood thirsty killer. She's just evolved into the female version of Daryl - she sees what needs to be done and she does it.

I think she made the right choice in the moment and Rick made the wrong choice in kicking her out - even if it was for her own good (ie Tyreese's reaction). In the episode before Tyreese thanked Carol for being who she was. While I think he'll be upset when he finds out Carol did what she did, I think in the end he will realize she did it for the right reasons and forgive her.

 

[devilof76]

That's what a quarantine is for. Anyone exposed to them before they were locked away isn't going to be helped by their deaths.

I think Carol is smarter than that (so is Daryl), and the possibility that it was the crazy little girl is far more probable. I don't know why she thinks anyone will be safer not knowing that they have a loose cannon amongst them, but maybe she's more concerned with the child being protected than any of the child's potential future victims.

 

[a-dev]

I don't think even Daryl would do something like that.

I couldn't agree with it, too extreme an action to take without even any guarantee that it would succeed (and it didn't)

 

[thenammagazine]

That's what a quarantine is for. Anyone exposed to them before they were locked away isn't going to be helped by their deaths.

I think Carol is smarter than that (so is Daryl), and the possibility that it was the crazy little girl is far more probable. I don't know why she thinks anyone will be safer not knowing that they have a loose cannon amongst them, but maybe she's more concerned with the child being protected than any of the child's potential future victims.

Apparently you missed how "effective" the quarantine was. How many people got killed because of Hershall's ignorance? 3? They already knew the disease killed people and there was evidence enough to show what happens due to lack of action with the Potter kid. Carol was protecting the group. If she hadn't done what she had, they'd have turned and likely killed more before put down.

But this is a redundant argument. With the discovery of the rabbit, we already know Carol was covering for the girls.

 

[Mister Ski]

Apparently you missed how "effective" the quarantine was. How many people got killed because of Hershall's ignorance? 3? They already knew the disease killed people and there was evidence enough to show what happens due to lack of action with the Potter kid. Carol was protecting the group. If she hadn't done what she had, they'd have turned and likely killed more before put down.

But this is a redundant argument. With the discovery of the rabbit, we already know Carol was covering for the girls.

We do? What did I miss?

 

[thenammagazine]

We do? What did I miss?

Adding 2 and 2 and the still with the second pair of smaller hands dragging the body.

Of course I could be wrong, but it just seems so completely out of place to have Carol shanking live people in the back of the head, and with how well the writing has been so far, I don't think they'd have her go full Rambo in a single episode.

 

[a-dev]

Adding 2 and 2 and the still with the second pair of smaller hands dragging the body.

Of course I could be wrong, but it just seems so completely out of place to have Carol shanking live people in the back of the head, and with how well the writing has been so far, I don't think they'd have her go full Rambo in a single episode.

I'm feeling more and more certain you're right. The young girl is clearly being written as a bit of a weirdo, naming zombies, crying over them when they're killed...then there was that part where she dipped her shoe in Glen's bloody vomit. She's the zombie-feeder, the rabbit torturer, and she probably killed the two people to satisfy a murderous curiosity. They were sick and didn't have the strength to fight back. And then later she had no problem shooting 2 of the Governor's crew dead.

The only question in this scenario is why would Carol cover for that. Is she any better for covering for it than if she personally did it herself.

 

[galmando]

Yeah, I understand if she wanted to protect the kid, but to the point of being exhiled in such a world seems a little overboard

 

[Fritz]

Spoiler

They should eat Glenn. Theres a great chinese food joke to be had.

Merle already made that joke in Woodbury.

 

[thenammagazine]

I'm feeling more and more certain you're right. The young girl is clearly being written as a bit of a weirdo, naming zombies, crying over them when they're killed...then there was that part where she dipped her shoe in Glen's bloody vomit. She's the zombie-feeder, the rabbit torturer, and she probably killed the two people to satisfy a murderous curiosity. They were sick and didn't have the strength to fight back. And then later she had no problem shooting 2 of the Governor's crew dead.

The only question in this scenario is why would Carol cover for that. Is she any better for covering for it than if she personally did it herself.

Yeah, I understand if she wanted to protect the kid, but to the point of being exhiled in such a world seems a little overboard

They were put in her responsibility. I can see her, though she's completely in denial about Sophia, looking at them as surrogates and in that aspect, a mother would do anything to protect her children.

 

[galmando]

They were put in her responsibility. I can see her, though she's completely in denial about Sophia, looking at them as surrogates and in that aspect, a mother would do anything to protect her children.

If they go this route, then that, to me, is the easy answer

Due to the fact that we only met these characters this season and some red shirt asked her to look after them, I find it hard to believe that she would be this attached

If they were the children of a long standing character who we had gone through the story with, then maybe.

I get that she has spend xx amount of months with them at the prison, but, as a viewer, i've spent a few episodes with them.

 

[Mister Ski]

A very plausible theory regarding Lizzie being the real killer of Karen and Dave and Carol covering for her. However, all the evidence is rather circumstantial or conjecture. Almost seems too neat.

A couple questions...

1.) Why would Carol cover for Lizzie? I get motherly instinct, but Carol has ben anything but motherly lately.

2.) Is the person feeding rats to the Walkers the same person dissecting rabbits? Tyreese seems to think so and we all know he is never wrong.

3.) Why did Carol let Lizzie and Mika stay in the prison after she got exiled? She seemed to give up very easily when Rick said they would be looked after.

4.) Are the two small hands dragging the body around the corner confirmed? I've seen the still and don't see small hands.

However in the course of writing this post, I tend to think Nam may well be right about this. Tyreese escaped with Mika and Lizzie. I think it is a question of when, not if, they run into Carol and Tyreese learns that either Carol or Lizzie killed Karen.

 

[thenammagazine]

It's different though. We never really saw her grieve for Sophia and from what she told Rick, about her life just being a slideshow of someone else's life shows she's still in denial over it. Given that, regardless of how long she's known the kids, it's easy to assume she'd use them to fill the void she's pretending isn't there.

 

[a-dev]

My only problem with the small pair of extra hands dragging the body thing is this - wasn't that part in Rick's imagination of the scene? In which case if there was an extra pair of hands there it was probably just a blooper.

 

[Deckard]

Yea I dunno how reliable viewing things from Rick's perspective is, he was seeing ghosts.

 

[Mister Ski]

It's different though. We never really saw her grieve for Sophia and from what she told Rick, about her life just being a slideshow of someone else's life shows she's still in denial over it. Given that, regardless of how long she's known the kids, it's easy to assume she'd use them to fill the void she's pretending isn't there.

We did see her initial grief for Sophia. Could you imagine the viewer backlash if they showed her grieving for more than one episode? I do agree with you that she probably views Lizzie and Mika as "her kids" now. That being said though, if she would do anything for them and their safety, why just leave them with Rick and company so easily? It just seems a little inconsistent to me.

My only problem with the small pair of extra hands dragging the body thing is this - wasn't that part in Rick's imagination of the scene? In which case if there was an extra pair of hands there it was probably just a blooper.

Those are my thoughts exactly regarding that scene.