The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[EVILFACE]

That would of ended it. But Rick and his stupid morals... it's about survival. At that point there was no medicine and they were as good as dead. What's the problem?

The problem is what if your son showed symptoms of sickness and Carol took it upon herself to kill him without consulting you.

I don't don't think you would high fivin' her.

 

[devilof76]

Carol's approach was patently retarded. Every person that survived being sick would now be dead. Survival, my backside.

 

[devilof76]

But then again, if it wasn't Carol, then the idea came from the mind of a psychotic 10 year old girl. So...

 

[devilof76]

Not that that would get Carol off the hook. In covering for the girl, she withheld information vital to the safety of the almighty group (since that's apparently the standard of value by which to judge these characters' actions). They have a killer in their company, and one who'd be low on the list of suspects. Carol actively hid that fact. Wasn't that Carl's big sin that lead to Dale's death?

 

[Snake Plissken]

The problem is what if your son showed symptoms of sickness and Carol took it upon herself to kill him without consulting you.

I don't don't think you would high fivin' her.

Yeah I guess you got me there. But is there a right way to handle that situation? I think the best bet would be just locking them in their cell until they turned and then putting them out of their misery.

 

[devilof76]

Yes. The right way was the one they chose.

Accidents could have been avoided with more people helping. Come to think of it, Carol would have been pretty helpful. Too bad she wasn't there.

 

[yruh8n]

If Lizzie was unstable enough to kill Karen and David, wouldn't it stand to reason that she might do something else just as crazy if Carol wasn't there to stop her? When Rick and Carol went on the run, Daryl and his group hadn't returned with the medicine. Lizzie was in the quarantine. Granted there were a lot of red shirts in there, but Glenn and Hershal were there also. I don't think Carol had bonded with Lizzie to the point were that relationship would be more powerful than her bond with Glenn and Hershal. If Carol knew or suspected that Lizzie was feeding the walkers at the fence, wouldn't she be afraid of what the group might do, if they caught her? Following the logic that Carol was covering for Lizzie wouldn't she have been more persistent in asking Rick to let her take the girls with her? Leaving them at the prison could be setting them up for exile or worse when she/they pull another stunt. Not to mention the possible danger to the group she is "trying" to protect? As I mentioned several pages ago Tyrese and the kids will probably meet up with Carol before anyone else.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Yes. The right way was the one they chose.

Accidents could have been avoided with more people helping. Come to think of it, Carol would have been pretty helpful. Too bad she wasn't there.

I wouldn't say it was the right way since they didn't really lock anyone up

 

[thenammagazine]

I wouldn't say it was the right way since they didn't really lock anyone up

devilof's way would've gotten more people killed. Remember, he was against the shooting of Otis and though Randall was a good guy. He's like Rick in that he's really a smart guy, but people have to die unnecessarily before common sense kicks in.

 

[Snake Plissken]

devilof's way would've gotten more people killed. Remember, he was against the shooting of Otis and though Randall was a good guy. He's like Rick in that he's really a smart guy, but people have to die unnecessarily before common sense kicks in.

Spoiler

Since Negan will probably make an appearance next season, hopefully he'll be the badass leader he is right now currently.

 

[thenammagazine]

Spoiler

Since Negan will probably make an appearance next season, hopefully he'll be the badass leader he is right now currently.

With the new showrunner, that's a very strong possibility.

 

[Snake Plissken]

With the new showrunner, that's a very strong possibility.

Yup, and the fact he's pretty much going verbatim with the comic for the 2nd half is a VERY good sign.

 

[devilof76]

devilof's way would've gotten more people killed. Remember, he was against the shooting of Otis and though Randall was a good guy. He's like Rick in that he's really a smart guy, but people have to die unnecessarily before common sense kicks in.

Except that fewer people were killed. Add Otis and Randall as two more who would not have. Nevermind how many would have lived at the fence last episode if Rick's way had prevailed. 'Survival at any price'---Shane's way, the Governor's way, Carol's way---decided that Hershel's 'ignorant' and Rick's 'weak' way would not prevail. There's only one reason Rick's way didn't work and wasn't because Rick was wrong.

 

[devilof76]

I wouldn't say it was the right way since they didn't really lock anyone up

They separated infected from non-infected. That's the first line of defense against any contagious disease. They weren't locked up because they were patients; not prisoners.

 

[thenammagazine]

Except that fewer people were killed. Add Otis and Randall as two more who would not have. Nevermind how many would have lived at the fence last episode if Rick's way had prevailed. 'Survival at any price'---Shane's way, the Governor's way, Carol's way---decided that Hershel's 'ignorant' and Rick's 'weak' way would not prevail. There's only one reason Rick's way didn't work and wasn't because Rick was wrong.

Do I think Carol's reaction (if she did do it) was harsh? Yes. Can I understand why she did it? Absolutely. The point where you're failing to make the connection is that she was right about the disease turning them into superwalkers and the outcome wouldn't have been any different. A smart leader, a worthy leader, would've judged the situation based on those principals alone.

When Carol did what she did, there was enough evidence to support her actions, however harsh. People were croaking fast and turning even faster. Potter died, turned and killed because of the flu. It was clear to anybody that those two would be dead and walking before anything could be done to treat the flu. Hershall's happy go lucky bumbling resulted in three more deaths - which were entirely unnecessary, and almost two more, including his own. I'd rather error on the side of playing it safe, especially in that situation, than error on the side of being a fool and causing others to die out of incompetence.

 

[Snake Plissken]

They separated infected from non-infected. That's the first line of defense against any contagious disease. They weren't locked up because they were patients; not prisoners.

Safety over comfort should of been the main priority.

 

[Buttmunch]

Spoiler

Since Negan will probably make an appearance next season, hopefully he'll be the badass leader he is right now currently.

Spoiler

I don't think so. We just finished with the Governor. I think we've got a couple of years before Negan. Comic readers are already comparing him to the Governor. They feel like its just Governor 2.0. I can't imagine TV audiences would accept him so soon.

Plus they've got to make the material they've got last. Once they catch up to the comics, who knows what will happen. They and Game of Thrones are in a sticky situation once they catch up!

 

[devilof76]

I don't think she was harsh. I think she was wrong. She acted out of panic, short-sightedness and insufficient evidence. A smart leader doesn't. (A crazy 10 year old girl might.)

Hershel's approach had nothing to do with some bumbling caricature. He was the only functioning caregiver and he did it on one, elderly leg. He was going from one crisis to the next. Even then he only presided over one more death than Carol. Everyone else lived.

Who's incompetence would have killed them all? The bumbling healer? Or the anxiety driven executioner?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Spoiler

I don't think so. We just finished with the Governor. I think we've got a couple of years before Negan. Comic readers are already comparing him to the Governor. They feel like its just Governor 2.0. I can't imagine TV audiences would accept him so soon.

Plus they've got to make the material they've got last. Once they catch up to the comics, who knows what will happen. They and Game of Thrones are in a sticky situation once they catch up!

Spoiler

If for whatever reason he was in next season, it might just be him being mentioned in passing by a member of Hilltop since Alexandria would most definitely be in next season.

 

[devilof76]

Safety over comfort should of been the main priority.

You think it was more comfortable in the quarantine where the uninfected were safe from them?

They weren't locked up because they weren't dropping like flies. That's how most of them lived long enough to get medicine.