Wonder Woman 1984 - June 5, 2020

[chewblacca]

Catches bullets with her lasso? She’s better than the Last Dragon!

 

[ShadowX81]

I mean why are we even bringing this stuff up. Can't we talk about some of the cheesiest scenes I have seen in a comic book movie in 20 years, or the hallmark scenes squeezed in here that make my mind baffled.

Or the mid-credit scene that explains what the whole movie is....corny corn

I am trying to figure out a film this reminds me of. Maybe the fantastic four movies?

Actually yeah, Fantastic 4 is a pretty good comparison to what this movie feels like. I also was reminded a lot of the last season of Stranger Things, with the hyper-vibrant color palate that turned the mid-80s vibe up to 11.

I also didn't mind all of the "hallmark cheesy" scenes. In fact the scene with Diana and Steve flying through fireworks in the plane was actually one of the very few parts of the movie that worked for me. It's the scenes that should have been sincere that they played up the comedy in that didn't work at all. Like the scene of Diana showing Steve around Washington DC where they chose to play the silly opera music giving the whole thing a comedic tone. Especially when the actors were clearly playing it straight, not realizing the tone of the scene would be changed in editing.

And wait a second, there was an after credits scene?

 

[hellgrammite00]

Actually yeah, Fantastic 4 is a pretty good comparison to what this movie feels like. I also was reminded a lot of the last season of Stranger Things, with the hyper-vibrant color palate that turned the mid-80s vibe up to 11.

I also didn't mind all of the "hallmark cheesy" scenes. In fact the scene with Diana and Steve flying through fireworks in the plane was actually one of the very few parts of the movie that worked for me. It's the scenes that should have been sincere that they played up the comedy in that didn't work at all. Like the scene of Diana showing Steve around Washington DC where they chose to play the silly opera music giving the whole thing a comedic tone. Especially when the actors were clearly playing it straight, not realizing the tone of the scene would be changed in editing.

And wait a second, there was an after credits scene?

yeah, there was a mid-credit scene that felt it was from a WB TV show. The OG shows up.

 

[Rainpaulo]

Because it is a crappy film and Marvel is consistently better. But hey, you want to dismiss everything I say because of my avatar and go watch this hot garbage be my guest.''

Dismiss everything you say???? Have I ever responded to any of your other posts.
I have not seen WW84 yet so csnt comment on it...but what I will say is DC have indeed put out some bad films BOP & SS. But so have Marvel = IM 2&3,Thor 2, Guardians 2, Capt 1, Ant Man 2 and Capt Marvel.

 

[user 64404]

Well yeah, she is certainly capable of putting the work in. But for whatever reason she just hasn't.

Plus flying like Steve does require a certain knack and feel for the controls that goes beyond just route studying. Kind of like how no matter how many hours I practice sports, I will never be able to play professionally. Maybe Diana was just never able to get a feel for it until Steve helped it click. Either way Steve is the better pilot, and your ridiculous insistence that to have it be that way is sexist is laughable.

Dude this is Wonder Woman that we are talking about, Steve being a good pilot and teaching her how to fly without an airplane it's laughable.
It's not insistence, its the idea the movie passes if you tries to understand the movie, its called hidden meaning.

 

[nexus]

Watched WW84 yesterday. It was good, but not as great as the original which is often tough to do with a sequel. Overall, I think Jenkins did a great job, I just don’t know if this was the best story to tell. The art direction and cinematography were fantastic. Kudos for bringing both Themiscyra and the 1980s to life. There were some really nice set pieces throughout. I did think it was overlong and the script lagged at points. I wasn’t sold on some of the plot devices and some of the casting choices seemed off. Gadot continues to sparkle as Wonder Woman, and if anything she’s gotten better. Pine was fine as Steve Trevor, but I never saw the need to bring the character back (I really would have preferred Pine as Hal Jordan GL). Wig was surprisingly well cast as Cheetah, however it felt like big chunks of her story ended up on the cutting room floor. Also the final makeup seemed about 3/4 baked (although I still liked where they were going her look). Pedro Pascal as Maxwell Lord oozed the ‘80s but again the story seemed somewhat forced. I rate it a 7/10.

She needed a human male without powers to teach her how to fly, this movie is so antifeminist that's it's cringe to know it was directed by a woman.

I read it as “inspiring” her to fly. He didn?t teach her how to fly.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

This movie is ***

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

So can she fly or does she need to lasso the wind?

She’s Spider-Man

 

[The Buffinator]

Watched WW84 yesterday. It was good, but not as great as the original which is often tough to do with a sequel. Overall, I think Jenkins did a great job, I just don?t know if this was the best story to tell. The art direction and cinematography were fantastic. Kudos for bringing both Themiscyra and the 1980s to life. There were some really nice set pieces throughout. I did think it was overlong and the script lagged at points. I wasn?t sold on some of the plot devices and some of the casting choices seemed off. Gadot continues to sparkle as Wonder Woman, and if anything she?s gotten better. Pine was fine as Steve Trevor, but I never saw the need to bring the character back (I really would have preferred Pine as Hal Jordan GL). Wig was surprisingly well cast as Cheetah, however it felt like big chunks of her story ended up on the cutting room floor. Also the final makeup seemed about 3/4 baked (although I still liked where they were going her look). Pedro Pascal as Maxwell Lord oozed the ?80s but again the story seemed somewhat forced. I rate it a 7/10.

I agree Themiscyra looked good, but with the 1980s setting IMO it was a case of quantity over quality. Frankly, I think Jenkins could have set this post-JL and it might have resulted in a leaner, more focused script. Plus setting it in the present would have the eliminated the lack of continuity we now have with regard to her flight ability. It also wouldn't have affected Steve's fish out of water schtick save for the lame outfit gags, and it would have made Steve's piloting the jet easier to swallow, as Diana could have just googled the cockpit controls for him on her phone.

I'm going to watch it again, but my first impression is that they spent too much time with the trappings of the 80s setting at the expense of story & character development. I thought Diana and Barbara were fine, but IMO Lord's story was told rather haphazardly, with his motivation only explained via a flashback tacked on late in the game. And that seemed designed to make him sympathetic, an odd choice at that point for the main villain of the movie. Yes, I know the real culprit was supposedly the God of Treachery or whatever, but given Lord's complete lack of remorse throughout the film that decision seemed rather pointless. And while I know Diana and Steve found evidence suggesting Lord had been researching the "wishing stone" macguffin, Jenkins never bothered to explain how such a device got on his shyster radar in the first place.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I'm going to watch it again, but my first impression is that they spent too much time with the trappings of the 80s setting at the expense of story & character development. I thought Diana and Barbara were fine, but IMO Lord's story was told rather haphazardly, with his motivation only explained via a flashback tacked on late in the game. And that seemed designed to make him sympathetic, an odd choice at that point for the main villain of the movie. Yes, I know the real culprit was supposedly the God of Treachery or whatever, but given Lord's complete lack of remorse throughout the film that decision seemed rather pointless. And while I know Diana and Steve found evidence suggesting Lord had been researching the "wishing stone" macguffin, Jenkins never bothered to explain how such a device got on his shyster radar in the first place.

The ending was so-so, I mean I appreciate not having the CGI battle. I didn't feel a ton of sympathy for the villain, even though the movie was trying to push me in that direction.

It isn't a bad movie, but it just doesn't sit right.

I think I would rate this the same as I would Ang Lee's Hulk if that makes sense. Which I thought was okay, but don't seek to rewatch.

Weird movie, it feels very forgettable.

Without spoiling we go from one scene with her lasso shooting 5,000 feet in the air, learning a new ability, and then putting on the suit that negates the ability she just learned...like where is the logic in this movie.

 

[nexus]

I agree Themiscyra looked good, but with the 1980s setting IMO it was a case of quantity over quality. Frankly, I think Jenkins could have set this post-JL and it might have resulted in a leaner, more focused script. Plus setting it in the present would have the eliminated the lack of continuity we now have with regard to her flight ability. It also wouldn't have affected Steve's fish out of water schtick save for the lame outfit gags, and it would have made Steve's piloting the jet easier to swallow, as Diana could have just googled the cockpit controls for him on her phone.

I'm going to watch it again, but my first impression is that they spent too much time with the trappings of the 80s setting at the expense of story & character development. I thought Diana and Barbara were fine, but IMO Lord's story was told rather haphazardly, with his motivation only explained via a flashback tacked on late in the game. And that seemed designed to make him sympathetic, an odd choice at that point for the main villain of the movie. Yes, I know the real culprit was supposedly the God of Treachery or whatever, but given Lord's complete lack of remorse throughout the film that decision seemed rather pointless. And while I know Diana and Steve found evidence suggesting Lord had been researching the "wishing stone" macguffin, Jenkins never bothered to explain how such a device got on his shyster radar in the first place.

I didn’t really understand why it was necessary to set it in the 80s. I did think they did a good job of capturing and recreating the 80s from an artistic standpoint, but it didn’t impact the storytelling itself. I think some directors just have an obsession with that time period. The story wouldn’t have suffered had it been set in the present and probably would have been more relatable to audiences, although during the mall sequence everyone would have been recording the fight on their smart phones and uploading to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. So good luck keeping it a secret. Having the god of treachery end up being the big bad probably would have been more exciting vs. Maxwell Lord, but unfortunately would have seemed too much of a retread from the first film. Still I hope the movie does well.

 

[The Buffinator]

The ending was so-so, I mean I appreciate not having the CGI battle. I didn't feel a ton of sympathy for the villain, even though the movie was trying to push me in that direction.

It isn't a bad movie, but it just doesn't sit right.

I think I would rate this the same as I would Ang Lee's Hulk if that makes sense. Which I thought was okay, but don't seek to rewatch.

Weird movie, it feels very forgettable.

Without spoiling we go from one scene with her lasso shooting 5,000 feet in the air, learning a new ability, and then putting on the suit that negates the ability she just learned...like where is the logic in this movie.

Actually I thought her putting on the golden armor was one of the few things in the movie that was somewhat logical. At that point she realized that Barbara had wished to be just like her, so she was fighting someone who was her equivalent in the strength department. Hence wearing some protection seemed prudent.

 

[The Buffinator]

I didn?t really understand why it was necessary to set it in the 80s. I did think they did a good job of capturing and recreating the 80s from an artistic standpoint, but it didn?t impact the storytelling itself. I think some directors just have an obsession with that time period. The story wouldn?t have suffered had it been set in the present and probably would have been more relatable to audiences, although during the mall sequence everyone would have been recording the fight on their smart phones and uploading to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. So good luck keeping it a secret. Having the god of treachery end up being the big bad probably would have been more exciting vs. Maxwell Lord, but unfortunately would have seemed too much of a retread from the first film. Still I hope the movie does well.

Granted the God of Treachery didn't actually appear in this movie like Ares did in the first one, but to me it still felt very much like a retread thematically: Without the Gods manipulating men/people, they'll ultimately make the correct/moral choice.

 

[nexus]

Granted the God of Treachery didn't actually appear in this movie like Ares did in the first one, but to me it still felt very much like a retread thematically: Without the Gods manipulating men/people, they'll ultimately make the correct/moral choice.

Ares and his “****stache”. I always thought they should have either transformed the actor to look like an Olympian God or had the inside of the helmet in ominous shadow. Having the very mortal looking actor just wearing the armor was underwhelming and the mustache was distracting on top of it.

 

[davejames]

I didn’t really understand why it was necessary to set it in the 80s. I did think they did a good job of capturing and recreating the 80s from an artistic standpoint, but it didn’t impact the storytelling itself. I think some directors just have an obsession with that time period. The story wouldn’t have suffered had it been set in the present and probably would have been more relatable to audiences, although during the mall sequence everyone would have been recording the fight on their smart phones and uploading to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. So good luck keeping it a secret. Having the god of treachery end up being the big bad probably would have been more exciting vs. Maxwell Lord, but unfortunately would have seemed too much of a retread from the first film. Still I hope the movie does well.

Well clearly the main goal of the movie was to bring Trevor back and have a more lighthearted type of adventure (with him interacting with the crazy styles of the day), so I can see why they chose the 80s for that. And it's also a better setting for something like a cheesy magic wish storyline. None of which would work nearly as well if you were to bring him back to our more cynical modern world.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Actually I thought her putting on the golden armor was one of the few things in the movie that was somewhat logical. At that point she realized that Barbara had wished to be just like her, so she was fighting someone who was her equivalent in the strength department. Hence wearing some protection seemed prudent.

Oh that is why she needed it, because when Doomsday and Steppenwolf came to town, she also couldnt make a quick pit stop to grab the magic armor as well because clearly they were weaker than Cheetah. I forgot we want to talk about logic now.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Basically the same music and scene from Wonder Woman 2...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIA6TYZynQ

 

[The Buffinator]

Oh that is why she needed it, because when Doomsday and Steppenwolf came to town, she also couldnt make a quick pit stop to grab the magic armor as well because clearly they were weaker than Cheetah. I forgot we want to talk about logic now.

Well, Apex Kitten pretty much destroyed the wings, and the rest of it probably wouldn't have fit in the carry-on she packed for her flight to Gotham anyway (She flew commercial in BvS, remember? Because apparently she forgot she could fly all by herself.).

 

[hellgrammite00]

If the figures for this movie are good, really that is all that matters even if the movie isn't very good. I have been unimpressed with the Wonder Woman figures released so far (and their bad likenesses), but the protos for this movie have looked splendid.

 

[davejames]

Watched WW84 yesterday. It was good, but not as great as the original which is often tough to do with a sequel. Overall, I think Jenkins did a great job, I just don?t know if this was the best story to tell. The art direction and cinematography were fantastic. Kudos for bringing both Themiscyra and the 1980s to life. There were some really nice set pieces throughout. I did think it was overlong and the script lagged at points. I wasn?t sold on some of the plot devices and some of the casting choices seemed off. Gadot continues to sparkle as Wonder Woman, and if anything she?s gotten better. Pine was fine as Steve Trevor, but I never saw the need to bring the character back (I really would have preferred Pine as Hal Jordan GL). Wig was surprisingly well cast as Cheetah, however it felt like big chunks of her story ended up on the cutting room floor. Also the final makeup seemed about 3/4 baked (although I still liked where they were going her look). Pedro Pascal as Maxwell Lord oozed the ?80s but again the story seemed somewhat forced. I rate it a 7/10.



I read it as ?inspiring? her to fly. He didn?t teach her how to fly.

Yeah that mostly sums of my feelings on it. It was a throwback to a more earnest and innocent type of 80s superhero movie, which I was totally on board with. I know most here are accustomed to these cynical modern superhero movies that are snarky and logical and always try to look as "badass" as possible, but I thought this was a really refreshing change of pace.

I do agree it felt a bit long and the basic premise was cheesy as hell, but I still thought they made it work well enough, and managed to up the stakes enough with all the unintended chaos that resulted. And ultimately it was worthwhile for the Steve and Diana storyline which I thought worked great.

Plus the WW world has always been a bit cheesy, with things like the Lasso of Truth, Bracelets of Submission and an Island of Amazon Women, so a magic wish granting stone didn't seem too out of place to me.