AVATAR: Fire and Ash (December 19th, 2025)

[Khev]

Lol at George's comment.

 

[Wor-Gar]

So she cried for almost as long as the film's running time?


And, can someone ask Cameron why I want to cry watching an action/adventure movie?

 

[chrisstbh]

Cameron still copying the superior Avatar franchise with the elemental theme.

Can almost certainly guarantee that the one after this will be Earth or Air/Wind.

 

[Wor-Gar]

And I can almost guarantee that it will be even longer ... and make you cry even more.

 

[ironwez20]

Cameron still copying the superior Avatar franchise with the elemental theme.

Can almost certainly guarantee that the one after this will be Earth or Air/Wind.

Kinda weird how he did that . There was no need to do it but he added elements to the movies. Like bro we still aren’t going to recognize your story as the real “avatar” even if you try to make them similar

 

[Johnny Utah]

Love the first two. Can't wait.

 

[choombaz]

So she cried for almost as long as the film's running time?


And, can someone ask Cameron why I want to cry watching an action/adventure movie?

 

[Bleah]

Maybe because Cameron had her wife watching like this:

 

[xipotec]

Yeah they are simple , primal basic stories....but I like them, it's fun sci fi, and a good adventure. Not to mention stunning to watch.

I feel bad when people have only seen them in 2D on a small screen.......

 

[choombaz]

Avatar is pure 1950s pulp trash and I love it

 

[Wor-Gar]

I truthfully don't know if I can sit through another Avatar movie. Even with fire.

The last one was such a slog, I have never seen it since. I just can't get into it. There's really no compelling characters for me. And the title doesn't even apply anymore. It's evolved into "Pandora".

 

[karamazov80]

It took me several years to end up watching the entirety of the first film through stops and starts. Haven't seen the second. Probably won't. I love what Cameron has done for film, but Avatar doesn't really do it for me.

 

[JackNasty]

Can almost certainly guarantee that the one after this will be Earth or Air/Wind.

It would be an interesting twist if the Navi left Pandora and took the fight to Earth

 

[Wor-Gar]

It would be an interesting twist if the Navi left Pandora and took the fight to Earth

You mean like the A L I E N...?


Towering blue meanies swatting humans aside, swinging their junk all over the planet... nah.


Now... if the Blue Meanies got to War with the Planet of the Apes... well, now that's interesting. Isn't it, George?

 

[Mandible]

Cameron is a vapid shadow of his former self.

He's too invested in other things that the filmmaking has become a paint-by-numbers dialed-in affair.

Such a monumental disparity of his earlier work.

Unfortunately he seems to have suffered the same fate as a lot of Hollywood elites - too much belief in their own press instead of letting the quality of their work do all the heavy lifting.

Happy to be proven wrong, but so many of them are churning out average (at best) films these days.

 

[Otomofan]

It's not even filmmaking anymore.

It's just a cartoon. He's an animator, not a director.

 

[Mandible]

It's not even filmmaking anymore.

It's just a cartoon. He's an animator, not a director.

And he's not even writing the scripts - just overseeing the stories. That's the biggest problem. He was so methodical with his writing (because he actually hates writing, so followed textbook writing 101) back in the day, that Avatar 2 glaringly feels like he didn't even remotely have anything to do with the script. He used to cross every T and dot every I, yet Avatar 2 is like The Matrix 2 and basically pisses all over all the quality character/world building of the first film.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Yeah they are simple , primal basic stories....but I like them, it's fun sci fi, and a good adventure. Not to mention stunning to watch.

I feel bad when people have only seen them in 2D on a small screen.......

Exactly this. I really like both Avatar movies (the second is a better film but both are a fun spectacle).

And he's not even writing the scripts - just overseeing the stories. That's the biggest problem. He was so methodical with his writing (because he actually hates writing, so followed textbook writing 101) back in the day, that Avatar 2 glaringly feels like he didn't even remotely have anything to do with the script. He used to cross every T and dot every I, yet Avatar 2 is like The Matrix 2 and basically pisses all over all the quality character/world building of the first film.

Interesting point, maybe i’m not as familiar with Pandora as I thought. How exactly does A2 piss all over the world building?

 

[Mandible]

Exactly this. I really like both Avatar movies (the second is a better film but both are a fun spectacle).



Interesting point, maybe i’m not as familiar with Pandora as I thought. How exactly does A2 piss all over the world building?

Where to start?

Jake starts off as a ******* grunt, with no appreciation of the land, spirituality, etc.
Neteri is an enlightened Na'vi who teaches him the beauty of the land, spirituality, etc, etc.

By the end of A1, they've all grown into different better/evolved/enlightened characters, with a real appreciation for what they have, etc.

Jake unites all the Na'vi - even a ocean tribe - and they save their planet from the greedy humans.

A2

Jake is just a dumb grunt again, primarily using guns, with the brains of a peanut, and yelling at his idiotic kids the whole time, without any care nor consideration for the tribe he take his idiotic family to.
Neteri just whines, cries, or screams throughout number 2 and has lost that enlightenment to become nothing more than a stepford mom.

Jake is so intelligent that rather than just reuniting the tribes again to ward off the far smaller threat of skypeople he take his woes to some other tribe - genius! - even though he knows the sky people will come for him.

They couldn't come up with a new villain so let's do the laziest thing and bring back the old one in the most stupid way possible.

A 70 year old actor (Weaver) trying - poorly - to inmate a teenager.

A ******* human who conveniently is the son of the main antagonist.

A ******* Aussie actor who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag playing some inane character.

A completely unnecessary new highly sort-after resource.


There's so many lazy decisions that make no sense, all for the sake of spectacle, that I could rant for another three pages.


If **** for brains Cameron wanted the ocean tribe to be the main tribe (just so he could show off his love of the ocean), they could have easily just had the ocean tribe from the first film reach out and ask for help because the humans were trying to take their land this time. Would have been far more organic and natural than idiot Jake being so selfishly inattentive.

Number 1 is a solid film that has a clear logical narrative, where all that is foreshadowed in answered perfectly.

2 is just a piss-poor, cash-grab, excuse of a script (as will all the sequels be), that made no sense and didn't organically expand on the foundations in 1. Pretty lights, no substance, and no subtext... and no brain cells required. Switch off, with your mouth agape, and let your senses be stimulated like an aimless roller coaster ride.

EDIT: think how brilliantly he handled Aliens - that's how to organically expand on an original story with integrity, intelligence and class.

 

[The Entity]

Where to start?

Jake starts off as a ******* grunt, with no appreciation of the land, spirituality, etc.
Neteri is an enlightened Na'vi who teaches him the beauty of the land, spirituality, etc, etc.

By the end of A1, they've all grown into different better/evolved/enlightened characters, with a real appreciation for what they have, etc.

Jake unites all the Na'vi - even a ocean tribe - and they save their planet from the greedy humans.

A2

Jake is just a dumb grunt again, primarily using guns, with the brains of a peanut, and yelling at his idiotic kids the whole time, without any care nor consideration for the tribe he take his idiotic family to.
Neteri just whines, cries, or screams throughout number 2 and has lost that enlightenment to become nothing more than a stepford mom.

Jake is so intelligent that rather than just reuniting the tribes again to ward off the far smaller threat of skypeople he take his woes to some other tribe - genius! - even though he knows the sky people will come for him.

They couldn't come up with a new villain so let's do the laziest thing and bring back the old one in the most stupid way possible.

A 70 year old actor (Weaver) trying - poorly - to inmate a teenager.

A ******* human who conveniently is the son of the main antagonist.

A ******* Aussie actor who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag playing some inane character.

A completely unnecessary new highly sort-after resource.


There's so many lazy decisions that make no sense, all for the sake of spectacle, that I could rant for another three pages.


If **** for brains Cameron wanted the ocean tribe to be the main tribe (just so he could show off his love of the ocean), they could have easily just had the ocean tribe from the first film reach out and ask for help because the humans were trying to take their land this time. Would have been far more organic and natural than idiot Jake being so selfishly inattentive.

Number 1 is a solid film that has a clear logical narrative, where all that is foreshadowed in answered perfectly.

2 is just a piss-poor, cash-grab, excuse of a script (as will all the sequels be), that made no sense and didn't organically expand on the foundations in 1. Pretty lights, no substance, and no subtext... and no brain cells required. Switch off, with your mouth agape, and let your senses be stimulated like an aimless roller coaster ride.

EDIT: think how brilliantly he handled Aliens - that's how to organically expand on an original story with integrity, intelligence and class.

I totally agree.

I watched Avatar 2 last week. It was the first time since seeing it at the cinema. I liked it back then, because of the visual spectacle on the big screen, but watching it at home it really didn't hold up. You summed up perfectly what I felt while watching it.

That being said; I'm still planning to see the next one on the big screen.