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He had a three hour runtime for character development, perhaps rewatch Batman Begins,
as that’s also “year one”, much quicker development in that.

Why wait till the end of the film when there was no guarantee as to how this would perform at the box office?

Now, people are more infatuated by a gangster Penguin than the lead in his title movie.

Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely want to see Bruce struggling, but not against someone as weak as this Riddler and his group of “snipers”.
 
a-dev said:
I've never seen Batman catch the Riddler or anything after that. I tried multiple times - including about 2 months back - and just kept falling asleep. I only read that Gotham got flooded and went into this series hoping I'd gotten enough context from what I do remember seeing. I think I'm getting away with it.
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Narcolepsy? Or another one of those, "I just didn't like it..."?
 
What a pathetic reason. His character was literally strangling Selina in the movie and he tortured and murdered her friend off screen. Why did he even sign into the movie?

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Mandible said:
Isn't that the whole point of the film? He starts off as "vengeance" (an angry entitled child) and realizes by the end that he has to become more, be better, lead by example.

I don't know the comics or canon or anything, but apparently this is based off his first year.
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I understand the arc don’t get me wrong

But even year one batman had some training, preparation and a strategy - this guy seems to be making it up as he goes along. All this just makes Batman Begins and everything that was shown about Bruce becoming batman in the Nolan version all the more impactful in comparison. You want to show an established Batman, that’s fine. You want to show his arc of being an angry unprocessed man child with a gazillion dollars at his disposal, no problem, but make it somewhat believable.

Showing the joker at the end already in Arkham further weakens this entire premise - you expect me to believe such an amateur Batman managed to apprehend and get the better of the Joker? He couldn’t even get past an underwhelming Riddler. The joker would eat him alive.
 
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intothevoid said:
Showing the joker at the end already in Arkham further weakens this entire premise - you expect me to believe such an amateur Batman managed to apprehend and get the better of the Joker? He couldn’t even get past an underwhelming Riddler. The joker would eat him alive.
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Actually I can believe it because the Joker doesn't usually have a plan - you just have to find him and apprehend him before his chaos goes any further. It actually goes even further as to why Gordon trusts him/works with him as prior to this story, he likely stopped the Joker's campaign of terror (whatever that was). Riddler mapped out his whole plan to get back at the city/system even past the point he was captured and locked behind walls. Bruce learned a valuable lesson: angrily punching everything won't work in every scenario. Gotta be better/do more.
 
chrisstbh said:
What a pathetic reason. His character was literally strangling Selina in the movie and he tortured and murdered her friend off screen. Why did he even sign into the movie?
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Yes. Granted I've only seen up to ep 4, but the violence against women is mainly historical or happening off-screen, and Sofia is giving the victims a voice.
 
KitbashOfficer said:
I heard because he didn't have time to do this because of season 2 of Severance, but in any event - I actually found Mark Strong's turn at Falcone to be more menacing.
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Yeah it made the Falcone in the movie seem much older and weaker by comparison. Nothing wrong with that. It actually sold the flashback more having Falcone noticeably age in that 10 years. Had it been a flashback days before his death in the movie it might not have worked as much.
 
The bulk of Hollyweird need to take a long hard look at this show; this is how to write strong, complex, engaging, layered, female characters that aren't one dimensional Mary Sue's.

Writing, casting, acting... so damn good.

Why is it so hard for idiots like Kathleen Kennedy and her ilk not to see how easily it can be done when story/script is the priority, and not their own personal petty vendettas or whatever dumb **** that has blinded them to quality filmmaking.
 
Mandible said:
The bulk of Hollyweird need to take a long hard look at this show; this is how to write strong, complex, engaging, layered, female characters that aren't one dimensional Mary Sue's.

Writing, casting, acting... so damn good.

Why is it so hard for idiots like Kathleen Kennedy and her ilk not to see how easily it can be done when story/script is the priority, and not their own personal petty vendettas or whatever dumb **** that has blinded them to quality filmmaking.
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Kennedy is a secretary who rode other's coattails to success. I mean she literally started as a secretary at Lucasfilm.

When she was on her own running it, her skill level showed her as the fraud she is. And we're still swimming in it.

She had very little involvement in the day to day on Andor thank God.
 
Yeah if HT or someone was making a Penguin from this series, I think it would be that fur color coat look. I could see the white suit getting some attention but that felt more Kingpin to me. Fur coat or tuxedo are what I most associate with Penguin traditionally. Since I doubt we’re getting a top hat and monocle, the fur coat and cigar will do.

Even after a movie and six episodes I still can’t see CF under that make up other than maybe the eyes. He’s totally lost and you only see Oz! If he doesn’t get an Emmy for this he’ll be robbed. They’ve got to win for make up if nothing else. Still bummed they didn’t get that Oscar for it. One of the best transformations of all time I’d say.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kennedy is a secretary who rode other's coattails to success. I mean she literally started as a secretary at Lucasfilm.

When she was on her own running it, her skill level showed her as the fraud she is. And we're still swimming in it.

She had very little involvement in the day to day on Andor thank God.
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Not disagreeing with any of your sentiments, but I can’t help myself, a minor correction, she started with Spielberg not Lucas.
 

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