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It was a good show. It elevated the Penguin character to Joker status, imo. The last time Penguin was relevant was 30 years ago, and since then, not much had been done with OZ, that is until now. They somehow reinvented the character into a low level "Italian" gangster yet still managed to end the show with a classic rendition of the character, top hat and all.
 
…. Wow. They really did nothing with the penguin for 30 yrs in movies? It was always weird Nolan never touched him or Snyder . After Heath all other bat villains were buried under the awesome might of joker.

But now that joker has been SA ‘d by mad eye Mooney it’s time for penguin to spread his wings.
 
It was a good show. It elevated the Penguin character to Joker status, imo. The last time Penguin was relevant was 30 years ago, and since then, not much had been done with OZ, that is until now. They somehow reinvented the character into a low level "Italian" gangster yet still managed to end the show with a classic rendition of the character, top hat and all.
Thinking about penguin in other media, I'm realizing a similarity between this one and the new animated version from the Amazon show. Both have no compunction killing off family members if they get in the way. Maybe that's the new signature penguin move.
 
Thinking about penguin in other media, I'm realizing a similarity between this one and the new animated version from the Amazon show. Both have no compunction killing off family members if they get in the way. Maybe that's the new signature penguin move.


You watch this one...?


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I still love the Burton's Penguin. The freakiness, and over-the-top dramatic scenes, topped with visual delights (that giant duck!) and nightmare inducing look made him the number 1 Penguin on my list.

2nd wud be this series' Penguin.
 
I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Burton's Penguin... playfully frightening.

But if its a story I'm after, you can't beat Colin's Penguin.

Visually, Burton's Joker and Penguin... but from a story construction POV, Nolan's Joker and Reeves Penguin.
I agree.
Colin's Penguin is a mob story, and DeVito is a comic supervillain story.
Colin's has realism to it, so it connects/relates more.

But if I imagine them in video game stages, DeVito's Penguin will be the final boss. With all the freakish circus henchmen, the penguin soldiers, and him standing above his giant duck mobile shooting at us using his umbrellas (and of course when we beat him, he ran out of bullets and took the baby crib umbrella).
 
I can't think of "The Penguin" character without immediately thinking of Devito's portrayal.

For a fantasy version Devito is fine I guess.

This new one is doing a great job out of the gate forging his realistic version.

I mean this is literally tops, it can’t possibly get more realistic than this so kudos to them for getting it right.
 
…. Wow. They really did nothing with the penguin for 30 yrs in movies? It was always weird Nolan never touched him or Snyder . After Heath all other bat villains were buried under the awesome might of joker.





Once you take the core concept of Penguin past the "caricature" level, he becomes a beacon for populist viewpoints. He's a far end social outcast. It's very hard to economically write a character like that as non populist, at some level, when it's typically the 4th or 5th major character in a storyline. Nolan's Dark Knight films, IMHO, are pro authoritarian collectivism but window dressed in different ways. In recent years, I've read a good number of quite excellent scripts, written by talented people, who will never see their projects see the light of day because what gets made is a function of what gets financed, and moderate populist themes will simply not get financed.

In the Nolanverse, Penguin has no function. It's also hard to write in a caricature in a series that has a more realistic tone. Now you could fit Penguin into what Joel Schumacher did, if only because Schumacher really didn't care if his Batman world building was grounded or not, it was basically a tribute to pro sodomy. I've never seen anything quite like Schumacher's Batman And Robin. He didn't even try to hide what he was doing. I'm still thoroughly convinced that film was only made to see how much of Joel's belly button lint would end up on Chris O'Donnell's forehead. Sorry kid, even if you close your eyes, it does not ever taste like Red Velvet Cake.

But this iteration of The Penguin, with Farrell, IMHO, was more derivative of the real life relationship with Carlo Gambino and Albert "The Mad Hatter" Anastasia. Oz Cobb has a little of both, but more aligned to how Gambino had to very carefully navigate in a world far more hostile than he could manage on his own. Gambino rose by being clever, strategic and almost non threatening. You can see that with Cobb, the Falcone's see him as a pet or mascot, more than a true player in a larger game. In Coppola's The Godfather Part 2, the construction of Hyman Roth was built around Meyer Lansky, but there were shades of Gambino there too. Lansky was outcast in many ways in real life because he was Jewish, but he was not outcast to Lucky Luciano and Bugsy Siegel. But what if Lansky was never accepted? I believe some of that also drove how this conception of The Penguin broke down and was applied.

Doe anyone remember back in high school, when some small groups of guys, just bored and trying to get laid, started a small garage band? I can't imagine there exists an American high school where this is not a common trope at this point. But music as such, was supposed to appeal to young fury, rebellion and anti-establishment. But if you look at current high level music now, it's corporate, sanitized, politically correct and openly bought by the establishment. Part of this is a lagging indicator of the entire entertainment industry, for the past 15 years, moving it's tone overall towards more pro authoritarian themes. While this might be more anectdotal, maybe I have a different exposure point because I'm reading scripts and discerning what's going to get financed and if you read enough scripts, you can start to see trends and the loss of a very organic populist appeal that usually sells well to a working class widespread film audience.

Penguin is very working class. Many films and TV series cover systemic rot, but most of them lecture at you. This series lets you decide for yourself. My take on part of the appeal and popularity of the current Penguin S1 is it carries a working class aesthetic that hasn't been seen in a long time with a prestige series. It's the garage band filled with high schoolers who can't carry a tune, but there's actual fury and passion there. It's also a bit rebellious in that Hollywood in general, to my viewpoint, and honestly I'd consider myself relatively observant, just completely despises it's working class audience.
 
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I can't see Farrell's Penguin on the same level as Heath Joker. Performance was very good and entertaining but the same impact? Nah. Maybe because at certain points, I'm just waiting for him to ask where's the freaking gabagool?
He’s actually better than Heath. He created a real person under all of that make up and also under the highest levels of scrutiny whereas Heath just had lips scars impeding his performance.
 
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Man that is one of the best episodes of tv ever. It is up there with the best of The Sopranos and GoT. The levels of depth you get with the Oz and Sofia characters are quite astounding and if Farrell and Milioti don’t get awards for this, well I will be quite unhappy.
 
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