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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

Wait. What?! Marion was a prostitute? Man I have to go back and watch Raiders again. I have never caught that in all the times I've watched it.

It's spelled out in Campbell Black's novelization:

"Guess how I lived, Jones? I worked here. And I wasn't exactly the bartender, you understand?"

The novelization also has an extra scene with Indy's other love interest in Raiders. Though after meeting Eaton and Musgrove he can't stop thinking about Marion:


A pretty young girl appeared in front of Indy. She was carrying a bundle of books and was pretending to look studious, efficient. Indy brightened when he saw her.

"Professor Jones," she was saying.

"Uh-"

"I was hoping we could have a conference," she said shyly, glancing at Marcus Brody.

"Yeah, sure, sure, Susan, I know I said we'd talk."

Marcus Brody said, "Not now. Not now, Indiana." And he turned to the girl. "Professor Jones has an important conference to attend, my dear. Why don't you call him later?"

"Yeah," Indy mumbled. "I'll be back at noon."

The girl smiled in a disappointed way, then drifted off along the corridor. Indy watched her go, admiring her legs, the roundness of the calves, the slender ankles. He felt Brody tug at his sleeve.

"Pretty. Up to your usual standards, Indiana. But later. Okay?"

"Later," Indy said, looking reluctantly away from the girl.

...

The girl, Susan, said, "I really hope I didn't embarrass you when you were with Brody. I mean, I was so . . . obvious."

"You weren't obvious," Indy said.

They were sitting together in the cluttered living room of Indy's small frame house. The room was filled with souvenirs of trips, of digs, restored clay vessels and tiny statues and fragments of pottery and maps and globes-as cluttered, he sometimes thought, as my life.

The girl drew her knees up, hugging them, laying her face down against them. Like a cat, he thought. A tiny contented cat.

"I love this room," she said. "I love the whole house ... but this room especially."

Indy got up from the sofa and, hands in his pockets, walked around the room. The girl, for some reason, was more of an intrusion than she should have been. Sometimes when she spoke he tuned her out. He heard only the noise of her voice and not the meaning of her words. He poured himself a drink, sipped it, swallowed; it burned in his chest-a good burning, like a small sun glowing down there.

Susan said, "You seem so distant tonight, Indy."

"Distant?"

"You've got something on your mind. I don't know." She shrugged.

He walked to the radio, turned it on, barely listening to the drone of someone making a pitch for Maxwell House. The girl changed the station and then there was dance-band music. Distant, he thought.

Farther than you could dream. Miles away. Oceans and continents and centuries. He was suddenly thinking about Ravenwood, about the last conversation they'd had, the old man's terrible storm, his wrath. When he listened to the echoes of those voices, he felt sad, disappointed in himself; he'd taken some fragile trust and shattered it.

Marion's infatuated with you, and you took advantage of that. You're twenty-eight, presumably a grown man, and you've taken advantage of a young girl's brainless infatuation and twisted it to suit your own purpose just because she thinks she's in love with you.

Susan said, "If you want me to leave, Indy, I will. If you want to be alone, I'll understand."

"It's okay. Really. Stay."

There was a knock on the door; the porch creaked.

Indy moved out of the living room along the hallway and saw Marcus Brody outside. He was smiling a secretive smile, as if he had news he wanted to linger over, savor for as long as he could.

"Marcus," Indy said. "I wasn't expecting you."

"I think you were," Brody said, pushing the screen door.

"We'll go in the study," Indy said.

"What's wrong with the living room?"

"Company."

"Ah. What else?"
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

What? When Marion says she was just a child, I thought she meant she was 18 or 19. According to Wikipedia, she started banging the good doctor when she was 14! :monkey4

I never knew Indiana Jones was actually Humbert Humbert (runs to the bathroom to heave).
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

It's spelled out in Campbell Black's novelization:



The novelization also has an extra scene with Indy's other love interest in Raiders. Though after meeting Eaton and Musgrove he can't stop thinking about Marion:

Thanks for the info. I didn't know about any of that.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

Getting way off-topic, so...

It was implied he was a womaniser. In one script a female student was going to kill herself over her relationship with Indy.

Daughters of professors were also on the menu - you know the back story with Marion, don't you?


It was Lucas' idea for Indy to have had an affair with her when she was very young.

The Raiders Story Conference Transcript, January 1978:



In Kasdan's script it ended up she was 15 at the time. And as told in the film, she went to Nepal with her father and eventually became a prostitute to pay the bills.

Wait, Lucas and Spielberg are actually sexual deviants? It all makes sense now...

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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

In the original script, Ripley and the rest of the crew of the Nostromo (save for Ash) banged. Banged hard, like orgy hard. Ripley/Dallas, Dallas/Lambert, Lambert/Ripley, etc.

True story.

Dunno about the Alien raping Ripley, biting her head off and impersonating her though.

Parker did have a thing for Lambert.

And then there was Parker and...Brett??? They were always talking about "shares." Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

The Alien raped Lambert according to Ridley Scott. I think her clothes are off in the scene of her dead. We see her foot, but here we see more:

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/debate-loving-lambert/

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Veronica Cartwright to Starlog said:
“All I can assume is: I got raped by the Alien.” She explained that “There were many things that were shot which aren’t in the final movie. I thought events would take a different direction than they actually did in Alien. And that surprised me.”


“Well, originally my death was meant to take place in one of the lockers. I was supposed to crawl into the lockers like the cat … We shot for five days … Well, somebody asked me once, ‘how did it feel for that tail to go up between your legs’, but those were Harry Dean Stanton’s legs. If you notice I wear cowboy boots throughout the movie. But that was the end result – we never did shoot my death, so, what I thought was going to happen -getting caught up inside that locker- was never shot. I asked them what was going to happen, they said they had enough footage. And the next thing I’m in a week later and I was hanging from a jockstrap contraption for a couple of hours, just so they could see my foot dangling and then they decided that was what my death would be.”

~ Veronica Cartwright, Texas Frightmare Convention, 2013.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

It's definitely implied, what with the Big Chap's arms all outstretched and slowly advancing on her.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

Lambert got put through the ringer! Remember she got a face full of fake blood during Kane's last meal?
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

Never understood that scene though as she could still breathe through her nose right? He only covering her mouth.

I think he intended to ram it right down her throat, Facehugger fashion.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

It's definitely implied, what with the Big Chap's arms all stretched out and slowly advancing on her.

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“This is a movie about alien interspecies rape, that’s it. That’s scary. That’s scary because it hits all of our buttons, all of our unresolved feelings about sexuality, all of them.”

~ Dan O’Bannon, Alien Evolution, 2001.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

her legs look a lot better here than her face did in the movie. the scariest thing in the whole story.
In the original script, Ripley and the rest of the crew of the Nostromo (save for Ash) banged. Banged hard, like orgy hard. Ripley/Dallas, Dallas/Lambert, Lambert/Ripley, etc.
that goes especially nice with a special remark in the original script :lol
The crew is unisex and all parts are interchangeable for men or women.
p.s. for anybody who wants to know more but didn't know where to look:

https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/alien_early.html
 
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

Statutory rape and alien rape makes for an odd point at which to enter a conversation.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

Somewhat disturbing stuff. A childhood hero originally conceived of as (what would now be considered) a child abuser and paedophile, and the alien being altogether more sinister than it ultimately became.
 
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)

''Why the hell did you do that?!''

''Because you told me to.....with your eyes''
 
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