Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Can we say: out of touch?
Can we say: out of touch?
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YankeesFanboy
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Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
James Cameron has entered George Lucas territory. When your movies gross billions of dollars and people all over the world recognize your work, you can pretty much do whatever the ---- you want. The critics and naysayers be damned.
James Cameron has entered George Lucas territory. When your movies gross billions of dollars and people all over the world recognize your work, you can pretty much do whatever the ---- you want. The critics and naysayers be damned.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Still, just because someone has evolved into an unreasonable presence doesn't mean the works that elevated them to this state should be discounted!
Sure, Aliens has less Sexual tension (the scary rape kind, not the fun to release kind). You might say it it kind of had to be dropped once the theme of complete and total gender equality was added in Aliens. Can't have a gender equal military fighting force with the idea everyone is equally capable if a constant sexual danger was present.
Overall I wouldn't say the toned down sexual themes and 'mystery' giving way to 'pulse pounding action' are such bad things. I don't understand why everyone feels this was a 'weakness' in Aliens. It was a trade off for something else that was fun and awesome.
Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Still, just because someone has evolved into an unreasonable presence doesn't mean the works that elevated them to this state should be discounted!
Sure, Aliens has less Sexual tension (the scary rape kind, not the fun to release kind). You might say it it kind of had to be dropped once the theme of complete and total gender equality was added in Aliens. Can't have a gender equal military fighting force with the idea everyone is equally capable if a constant sexual danger was present.
Overall I wouldn't say the toned down sexual themes and 'mystery' giving way to 'pulse pounding action' are such bad things. I don't understand why everyone feels this was a 'weakness' in Aliens. It was a trade off for something else that was fun and awesome.
Lejuan
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
No. You don't give it anything. The movie it was supposed to be, where the script made sense and crucial explanatory contexts weren't left on the cutting room floor... that'd be worth watching. Prometheus as we saw it was a steaming pile of doo doo. And anyone who says otherwise is just having a lend. They say it with a straight face, but they're really joking, even if they think they're serious. Specially Vintij. You can't trust Australians as far as you can throw 'em.
No. You don't give it anything. The movie it was supposed to be, where the script made sense and crucial explanatory contexts weren't left on the cutting room floor... that'd be worth watching. Prometheus as we saw it was a steaming pile of doo doo. And anyone who says otherwise is just having a lend. They say it with a straight face, but they're really joking, even if they think they're serious. Specially Vintij. You can't trust Australians as far as you can throw 'em.
VintijDroidGutzz
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I know it has some.. loose ends
.. but so what.
I dig it. Lots to like.
I know it has some.. loose ends
.. but so what.I dig it. Lots to like.
Lejuan
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
You kidder you
I know it has some.. loose ends
I dig it. Lots to like.
You kidder you
VintijDroidGutzz
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I'm not going to get dragged into a debate about Prometheus - you either like it, or you don't.
I'm not going to get dragged into a debate about Prometheus - you either like it, or you don't.
Lejuan
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
It'll be interesting to see where they take the second one. I'm guessing it'll have a stack of redemptive material in it vis-a-vis providing explanations for the whacky stuff that happened in Prometheus. People will be walking out of the cinema saying, "aaah! So that's why Shaw ran in a straight line!"
I'm not going to get dragged into a debate about Prometheus - you either like it, or you don't.
It'll be interesting to see where they take the second one. I'm guessing it'll have a stack of redemptive material in it vis-a-vis providing explanations for the whacky stuff that happened in Prometheus. People will be walking out of the cinema saying, "aaah! So that's why Shaw ran in a straight line!"
VintijDroidGutzz
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Yeah needless to say, I'm looking forward to the sequel - & I'm a big Noomi fan as well.
RIPLEY!!
Yeah needless to say, I'm looking forward to the sequel - & I'm a big Noomi fan as well.
RIPLEY!!
Lejuan
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
My best mate can't bring himself to watch any movie with Fassbender in it 'cause that massively hung rich A-list bastard is his wife's ex
My best mate can't bring himself to watch any movie with Fassbender in it 'cause that massively hung rich A-list bastard is his wife's ex
olbertfrog
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I dont see why Cameron has been corrupted by Power?
One thing people must realize is that Cameron did not get a blank Check after Titanic for avatar.
Fox passed on it, disney too, then Fox agreed to finance the r&d for the distribution rights.
Cameron found the money with other investors, Avatar is one big indépendant movie.
Now that you dont care for the story ok but Cameron is still a master, he never was and never Will be a hack like Lucas.
Now that the universe is set ill see what he makes of it, i just hope it gets more intense like the abyss, less family friendly.
I dont see why Cameron has been corrupted by Power?
One thing people must realize is that Cameron did not get a blank Check after Titanic for avatar.
Fox passed on it, disney too, then Fox agreed to finance the r&d for the distribution rights.
Cameron found the money with other investors, Avatar is one big indépendant movie.
Now that you dont care for the story ok but Cameron is still a master, he never was and never Will be a hack like Lucas.
Now that the universe is set ill see what he makes of it, i just hope it gets more intense like the abyss, less family friendly.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
R-rated 80's Cameron would never make a movie about humans nuking an entire species from orbit. If he made ALIENS today Burke would be the hero and the marines would be the bad guys.
Prometheus >>> Avatar
R-rated 80's Cameron would never make a movie about humans nuking an entire species from orbit. If he made ALIENS today Burke would be the hero and the marines would be the bad guys.
Prometheus >>> Avatar
olbertfrog
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Avatar might be too simple but Prometheus is just dumb.
Not really dumb, but they ****ed it up so badly that it end up being fakely smart.
Yet its really gorgeous to look at and to know of what could have been.
Avatar might be too simple but Prometheus is just dumb.
Not really dumb, but they ****ed it up so badly that it end up being fakely smart.
Yet its really gorgeous to look at and to know of what could have been.
abake
Rex Tremendae Majestatis
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Lucas a hack? Seriously? George Lucas has probably done more to further the movie industry than any other film maker. Cameron walks in the footsteps Lucas.
You may not like George Lucas' directing or his scripts, but as a story and myth maker, there are very few who can compete.
Lucas a hack? Seriously? George Lucas has probably done more to further the movie industry than any other film maker. Cameron walks in the footsteps Lucas.
You may not like George Lucas' directing or his scripts, but as a story and myth maker, there are very few who can compete.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I say we distinguish young from old Lucas when we say such things.
I say we distinguish young from old Lucas when we say such things.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I like Lucas a lot, childhood hero and all, and I agree about how he single-handedly changed the industry -- they will be studying him for years in film school -- but I have to respond to your post with: Howard the Duck and Willow. In fact, beyond the conceits he came up with in his twenties/thirties (Star Wars and Indiana Jones) he's created no new story of value.
I like Lucas a lot, childhood hero and all, and I agree about how he single-handedly changed the industry -- they will be studying him for years in film school -- but I have to respond to your post with: Howard the Duck and Willow. In fact, beyond the conceits he came up with in his twenties/thirties (Star Wars and Indiana Jones) he's created no new story of value.
olbertfrog
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
I think he gave all he got with thx1138 creativly speaking.
Star wars (like avatar) is completely dérivative, not original, yet its solid entertainment.
All the things i love about Star wars are mostly the work of other talents.
Joe Johnston, ralph mcquarrie, irvin kirshner, gary kurtz.
I respect his business skills, the fact he started it all, he choosed his collaborators well but as an artist himself im not impressed.
I think he gave all he got with thx1138 creativly speaking.
Star wars (like avatar) is completely dérivative, not original, yet its solid entertainment.
All the things i love about Star wars are mostly the work of other talents.
Joe Johnston, ralph mcquarrie, irvin kirshner, gary kurtz.
I respect his business skills, the fact he started it all, he choosed his collaborators well but as an artist himself im not impressed.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
If you were around in the 70's you would find Avatar very derivative too. I think I had a black-light poster with floating islands of rock with waterfalls and strange birds.
One thing I will say about Cameron though -- he does keep surprising us. Every time they say he can't do it, he does.
If you were around in the 70's you would find Avatar very derivative too. I think I had a black-light poster with floating islands of rock with waterfalls and strange birds.
One thing I will say about Cameron though -- he does keep surprising us. Every time they say he can't do it, he does.
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Or '90s?
Or '90s?
olbertfrog
Super Freak
Re: Hot Toys: Ellen Ripley - Alien (Updated with new prototype HS)
Did you miss the "like avatar" part in my post
Lucas and Cameron grew up reading and watching stuff, its no surprise that they end up taking from what they loved young.
Star wars is the first and almost only one of its kind, a new hope is as simple, as non surprising as avatar yet it works great, and the follow up was quite great. Maybe avatar Will have that too. Who knows... But yeah three more movies... I rather see Alita... Or something else... Dunno...
Did you miss the "like avatar" part in my post
Lucas and Cameron grew up reading and watching stuff, its no surprise that they end up taking from what they loved young.
Star wars is the first and almost only one of its kind, a new hope is as simple, as non surprising as avatar yet it works great, and the follow up was quite great. Maybe avatar Will have that too. Who knows... But yeah three more movies... I rather see Alita... Or something else... Dunno...
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