18th June Ask Sideshow

[Darth_Fatso]

I'm most looking foward to the Scout Trooper. I hope we see him this year but that doubtfull. Any more word on a SS Boba Fett?

 

[devilof76]

The expense is no object. Make the damn figures already. People want them for gd sake. SS NEVER seems to strike while the iron is hot, hence all their lines seem to be on simmer most of the time.

Star Wars was hottest between 1977 and 1983, and it never really cooled as far as people wanting figures from the original trilogy before figures from fan fiction novels.

 

[IrishJedi]

We mock what we do not understand!
NONE of this is ancient history, sir, but KTs stuff is WAY better than some stupid pacifist rewrite.

What's not to understand? It isn't Rocket Science. And Karen Traviss is no Shakespeare, anyway.

Star Wars was hottest between 1977 and 1983, and it never really cooled as far as people wanting figures from the original trilogy before figures from fan fiction novels.

It seems many of the younger generation of SW fans have no sense or appreciation for the relative differences in quality between SW era 1977-1983, and SW from 1991 - today. Particularly when it comes to EU stuff. It's not Apples and Oranges. It's Apples and Cucumbers.

 

[DCFett]

Star Wars was hottest between 1977 and 1983, and it never really cooled as far as people wanting figures from the original trilogy before figures from fan fiction novels.

Now doing that would just be dumb.

What's not to understand? It isn't Rocket Science. And Karen Traviss is no Shakespeare, anyway.
It seems many of the younger generation of SW fans have no sense or appreciation for the relative differences in quality between SW era 1977-1983, and SW from 1991 - today. Particularly when it comes to EU stuff. It's not Apples and Oranges. It's Apples and Cucumbers.

I assure you, Mr. Self Proclaimed keeper of all things SW at SSF, I am not of the "younger generation". I appreciate her work. Im not an OT snob like some...you included.
KT's work is certainly not Shakespeare, unless you've never read Shakespeare, it could be to you, but I never made such a claim.
You dont have to like it, but some stuff is better than what comes outta Lucasfilm.
U heard me, son!!!

 

[Red Metal]

It seems many of the younger generation of SW fans have no sense or appreciation for the relative differences in quality between SW era 1977-1983, and SW from 1991 - today. Particularly when it comes to EU stuff. It's not Apples and Oranges. It's Apples and Cucumbers.

Oh, gawd. Not another OT vs PT arguement. "OT is teh bests!" "PT is teh sux!"

Really. They are completely different; but don't assume that because a person grew up admiring the OT, that a member of a younger generation can't grow up appreciating the PT. You might have fond memories of the OT, but there are kids growing up now that are also going to have fond memerioes of the CW stuff. Yes, they are completely different, but suggesting one is better than another is still just a personal opinion.

BTW, it's still "apples vs oranges" as we are comparing the same fruits of the Star Wars universe...

 

[IrishJedi]

I never even mentioned the PT.

But since you brought it up... I actually do not believe it's a subjective opinion to state that THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is a far superior film to ATTACK OF THE CLONES. That should be about as clear as day to anyone with a working thought process.

That said, however, much more than just the PT has failed to live up to the standards set by SW during its golden age. In fact, the Special Editions of the OT movies themselves are considered among that muck.

There have been some good things, of course. KOTOR, some of the other Luceno novels, some elements of the PT. But it's been few and far between.

 

[Red Metal]

But since you brought it up... I actually do not believe it's a subjective opinion to state that THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is a far superior film to ATTACK OF THE CLONES. That should be about as clear as day to anyone with a working thought process.

Nope, still just a subjective opinion based on personal preference. Thanks for trying, though.

Seriously, movies are a hard thing to quantify. Look at Avatar - it made more money than TESB, but are you really going to tell me that Avatar is the better movie? Probably not, because you would hold TESB in such a high regard, even though I could argue it was less successful than Avatar.

See that? That's called a "point-of-view". You learned something new today.

 

[IrishJedi]

Oh, that's just a canard people use to ignore that sometimes it's all but fact that some movies (or whatever) are better than others. They just are. If not, some insane person might actually try and make the case that PLAN 9 FROM OUTER space is a better film than, say, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA. Some things are not subjective, no matter what straw man defense you devise.

Seriously, present one rational opinion that shows how AOTC is a better film than TESB, or even in the same neighborhood. Just ONE. Someone...

And why even bring financial success into the argument? That is completely irrelevant.

 

[jediknight120]

The issue of which is a better film and which you personally prefer are separate discussions. My favorite of the SW films is RotJ, but I think ESB is the better film.

 

[IrishJedi]

The issue of which is a better film and which you personally prefer are separate discussions. My favorite of the SW films is RotJ, but I think ESB is the better film.

Well, of course. That's another good distinction that many seem incapable of making. Hell, I like many bad, cheesy movies. I just know and can acknowledge that they're bad without feeling embarrassed about it. That's why such things are called "guilty pleasures". Sometimes (well, often these days) Star Wars is a guilty pleasure. It's not critique-proof, as some try to make it. There is a relative baseline of quality within the films themselves. They are not all equal.

 

[tomandshell]

I consider Attack of the Clones to be a guilty pleasure of mine. It's my favorite of the prequels. (Faint praise.)

I do not feel guilty at all about enjoying Empire Strikes Back. It's one of my favorite movies, period.

 

[jediknight120]

Well, of course. That's another good distinction that many seem incapable of making. Hell, I like many bad, cheesy movies. I just know and can acknowledge that they're bad without feeling embarrassed about it. That's why such things are called "guilty pleasures". Sometimes (well, often these days) Star Wars is a guilty pleasure. It's not critique-proof, as some try to make it. There is a relative baseline of quality within the films themselves. They are not all equal.

I like Michael Bay's Transformers movie. But not RotF. Gotta have SOME standards.

And I enjoy all the prequels, I really do. I'm sure my perception is colored by the fact that the OT is what I grew up with, but the prequels are good entertainment. There's some missteps, but it really contributes to the impact of the moment in RotJ where Vader turns back and kills the Emperor. Greatest moment in the trilogy.

Just don't remind me of the "sand" line from AotC.

 

[devilof76]

Now doing that would just be dumb.

It would be? I'm not sure why, and if it is, I certainly don't care. I don't want Republic Commandos. I know there are plenty of people who do, but I don't believe that there is some vast market waiting to be accomodated, and I doubt that Sideshow will lose a penny by offering characters that would warrant much higher edition sizes on account of their immesurably greater popularity. RC's are marginal characters, well behind clone commanders, snowtroopers, and scouttroopers in terms of popularity, and for Sideshow to make them a priority would actually be asinine.

Asinine is dumber than dumb.

 

[tomandshell]

At least I have heard of the Republic Commandos--I had to Google Darth Talon.

Now, if one of the RC characters showed some cheek, then Sideshow would rush it into production.

 

[IrishJedi]

At least I have heard of the Republic Commandos--I had to Google Darth Talon.

Now, if one of the RC characters showed some cheek, then Sideshow would rush it into production.

 

[DCFett]

It would be? I'm not sure why, and if it is, I certainly don't care. I don't want Republic Commandos. I know there are plenty of people who do, but I don't believe that there is some vast market waiting to be accomodated, and I doubt that Sideshow will lose a penny by offering characters that would warrant much higher edition sizes on account of their immesurably greater popularity. RC's are marginal characters, well behind clone commanders, snowtroopers, and scouttroopers in terms of popularity, and for Sideshow to make them a priority would actually be asinine.

Asinine is dumber than dumb.

Read for understanding: I NEVER said that the RCs should or shouldn't be made BEFORE any OT trooper, PT clone or clone officers and NEVER did I say which characters were "more popular". I just said their excuse for not WANTING to do them is lame. Now REREAD again for crystal clarity.

I think your previous statement would be a dumb move for SS because variety in the line is good. Red clone, blue clone, green clone, red Cmdr, blue Lt., Yellow Cpt. is just plain boring. Though I'd love to have all these clone variations one day, having them fired out in succession cools the fever of the line, IMHO.
Let's face it, no matter how "asinine" (oohh 7 letter word! Now go potty, son) you think the EU or PT is, there are just some plain cool characters contained within it. The RCs are very cool troopers. I, for one, buy it all so it doesnt matter what order they make them, I just want them to be made. Not "the tooling is too expensive" line over and over. We do custom stuff all the time, most of it from Asia, so this myth of high priced prototyping is just that. You can buy that all you want, but can I interest you in a bridge???

OT vs. PT =

 

[devilof76]

I love the PT.

And I doubt that RC molds would be cheaper than clones or stormtrooper variants. Further, do your Asian customizers make steel molds for the parts they produce? Or are their production runs small enough that they can use cheaper materials to cast from? I understand that steel molds are grossly more expensive than silicon or whatever it is that most customizers use.

Also, good job on the letter counting. You're a pro.

 

[DCFett]

Also, good job on the letter counting. You're a pro.

THANKS! It doesnt take much to match wits with YOU!

 

[devilof76]

I know you are but what am I?



No, you're right. I'm a dolt. Perfect match.

 

[Puay]

When Sideshow tackle the 1/6 Tusken Raider, I hope the head is cloth wrapped instead of a sculpt one, much like what is done on the PF version.