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(mlb fans poll) should bonds be the mlb home run king?

  • bonds has earned the title 'mlb home run king'.

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • bonds use of steroids disqualifies him.

    Votes: 14 31.8%
  • bonds should have an asterik and hank aaron's record should stand.

    Votes: 17 38.6%
  • baseball is a big disappointment and i'm no longer a fan.

    Votes: 6 13.6%

  • Total voters
    44

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baseball was always my first love but the game has been tainted by the use of steroids, giving some players a stronger physical advantage over others. as barry bonds approaches the home run record, how do you feel about him 'earning' the most coveted offensive baseball record?
 
i think bonds is a complete tool, i also think that he along with the other degenerates that use performance enhancing drugs in baseball are ruining what use to be any young boy's greatest dream. playing the great american past time and doing it fairly with nothing but hard work, sweat, and tears. but thats just my opinion.
 
I'm not a baseball fan by any means, but it is always exciting to see an pro athlete, in any sport, break a long standing record. Its cool to be a "part" of history, just to say "yeah, I remember watching so and so break this record".

But I have zero interest in Bonds breaking this record. Its tainted and no matter what it will always be a "yeah he broke the record, but....." with this guy.
 
Here is my thing, did Bonds use Steriods, probally, did a whole lot of other players, just as likely as bonds, did a lot of pitchers, most likely, they had the most to gain. The thing is baseball knew and ignored it, they made the bed now they must sleep in it.

So if they all players (or even most) did steriods then it was a level playing field. The things is if you wanted to argue fairness. Ruth had an advantage of it being only white players. Arron had a advantage of playing in Atlanta (AKA the Launching pad), Bonds may have had an advantage with steroids, but also did this is probally the hardest park to hit a home run currently , and one of the hardest parks ever.
 
i was looking at some of the Barry Bonds rookie cards I have and he definitely has used roids. The thing is if he didn't I'll bet he would be 50 HR's lower and could have still done the same thing, or close to it, without all the controversy. The way I look at it is:
-Bond is the greatest HR hitter of all time with the most HR's(when he gets there)..with an asterisk.
-Babe Ruth is the greatest HR hitter without an asterisk
-Hank Aaron holds the record for most HR's without an asterisk
 
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i was looking at some of the Barry Bonds rookie cards I have and he definitely has used roids. The thing is if he didn't I'll bet he would be 50 HR's lower and could have still done the same thing, or close to it, without all the controversy. The way I look at it is:
-Bond is the greatest HR hitter of all time with the most HR's(when he gets there)..with an asterisk.
-Babe Ruth is the greatest HR hitter without an asterisk
-Hank Aaron holds the record for most HR's without an asterisk


I think that comapring his rookie card to now is not even close to a valid argument. The way athletes train has changed drasticly since 1986 and that alone could acount for the change in size from his rookie card to to now. The way he increased his size late in his carrer is concerning.

As I said before there should be an asterisk on just about every record because you can make a case how almost every record can be challanged.
 
it really doesn't matter because that Howard kid will hold the record before he retires

chances are he won't. what are the odds he'll not commit assualt, rape, theft, or get arrested for drugs, murder, or kidnapping. to break the record, he'll have to be in the league 20 years. good luck.
 
I think that comapring his rookie card to now is not even close to a valid argument. The way athletes train has changed drasticly since 1986 and that alone could acount for the change in size from his rookie card to to now.

What kind of training has he done to make his head grow?
 
I have very mixed feelings about this. If Bonds is doing something dirty or against the rules why is he playing? And if he is playing with the blessings of the league, then what is wrong with any records he may set during his career? Seems to me you cannot have it both ways. Either he is dirty and should be banned or he is clean and his records are just as good as anybody elses.

Like many others, I strongly suspect his body metamorphosis was done with the assistance of chemistry. But why does the league do nothing? I really do not think it is fair to anyone to allow them to play and years from now make some ruling which negates their career.
 
I have very mixed feelings about this. If Bonds is doing something dirty or against the rules why is he playing? And if he is playing with the blessings of the league, then what is wrong with any records he may set during his career? Seems to me you cannot have it both ways. Either he is dirty and should be banned or he is clean and his records are just as good as anybody elses.

Like many others, I strongly suspect his body metamorphosis was done with the assistance of chemistry. But why does the league do nothing? I really do not think it is fair to anyone to allow them to play and years from now make some ruling which negates their career.

mlb has taken a blind eye in the case of athletes using illegal performance enhancing drugs before the current rules were set in place. even though many years had passed where nothing was done and players ran amuck. athletes like bonds will be treated as if they actually competed on a level playing field, which isn't fair. at worse case scenerio, records over decades should be divided into era. hank aaron won't even acknowledge bonds' acheivement, which should speak volumes to selig and mlb but unfortunately doesn't. i always thought selig was a tool anyway with his handling of pete rose.
 
I think that comapring his rookie card to now is not even close to a valid argument. The way athletes train has changed drasticly since 1986 and that alone could acount for the change in size from his rookie card to to now. The way he increased his size late in his carrer is concerning.

As I said before there should be an asterisk on just about every record because you can make a case how almost every record can be challanged.

with his "training" till now he should look slightly bigger than Ken Griffey, Jr. not hulk hogan. i meant it's obvious he's juiced between then and now and there is no way working out made him as big as he is so it is a valid arguement.
 
with his "training" till now he should look slightly bigger than Ken Griffey, Jr. not hulk hogan. i meant it's obvious he's juiced between then and now and there is no way working out made him as big as he is so it is a valid arguement.

I am glad you said that becasue just by chance the both happen to be just about the same height with Bonds being a inch shorter and Bonds weighing 10 pounds more. Also the both weighed about the same as rookies I think Griffey was actually the smaller of the two and well Griffey got that big with 2 less years so that say one of two things to me. One they both took steriods or it possable for both of them to have got that big clean.

I personally think it is BS that Bonds is the focus of the Steriods investigation, when others that we know did steriods get off. Look at Jason Giambi he has basicly come out and said he took them and what happens not a damm thing.

This is something that MLB and MLBPA both knew about and chose to ignore. I still say that a much larger % of baseball players did some level of steriods during the 90s and beging of the 21 century then people belive or even want to belive. I think if they ever figured out how many actually did it would be mind blowing the number of player that did.
 
I think you mean Arod will have the record when he retires.

Absolutely without a doubt, in six years when Rodriguez breaks the record; Bonds will be a distant memory.

Bonds would have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer no matter what substance he used, but it does taint the game no doubt. The sad reality is that attendance is up and ratings are improved, I suppose cheating hasn't really hurt baseball any.

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You also have to take into account that the ball has been juiced.That in itself explains the huge leap in home runs starting around the 97 season.Aaron did it in the dead ball era.
 
mlb has taken a blind eye in the case of athletes using illegal performance enhancing drugs before the current rules were set in place. even though many years had passed where nothing was done and players ran amuck. athletes like bonds will be treated as if they actually competed on a level playing field, which isn't fair. at worse case scenerio, records over decades should be divided into era. hank aaron won't even acknowledge bonds' acheivement, which should speak volumes to selig and mlb but unfortunately doesn't. i always thought selig was a tool anyway with his handling of pete rose.

Selig is like more of a used car salesman, than a comissioner. I even like David Stern more.
 
Selig is like more of a used car salesman, than a comissioner. I even like David Stern more.
Yeah because David Stren has done such a good job. Wait ohh yeah he has at least on Ref betting on basketball and it may get much deeper.
 
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