bhutto assassinated

[tylerd]

i realize that with the assassination of the pakistan pm the mideast region right now is unstable, but can someone explain how that would make stocks fall in the u.s.?

i mean, if our economy is so fragile that the death of a pm half a world away can affect us, what's going to happen if we have a tragedy in this country?

 

[Rook]

Remember Archduke Ferdinand at the start of WWI? It's fears of something like that, I think.

I'm far from the best candidate to give an accurate analysis of the situation, but from what I understand, Bhutto was everyone's last great hope to stabilize and modernize that country. Her assassination could galvanize Pakistan's populace into action against an oppressive Islamist minority seeking to gain control of the country. But, most likely, the people will just submit. It's what they do.

So we're left with a sort of bad guy in charge of the country, who's pretty shady on his best day, and a Taleban-friendly militant Islamist tribe (read: Bullies) in the north looking to spread its influence throughout the region by way of violence and terror, and the one leader who the people felt was worth a damn gets killed by some **** working for one of those minority factions. It's very unsettling to find out that someone so strong and well-liked and capable of leadership could be or would be eliminated so easily and indiscriminately. Even Bush, typically so cocky or smug on-camera despite his bumbling history with public speech, appeared shocked and nervous while giving his comments on the matter.

So, yeah. The world's holding it's breath. That's why the stocks have dropped. (I, personally, am thinking of fleeing to Canada.)

 

[Shai]

(I, personally, am thinking of fleeing to Canada.)

 

[tylerd]

Remember Archduke Ferdinand at the start of WWI? It's fears of something like that, I think.

I'm far from the best candidate to give an accurate analysis of the situation, but from what I understand, Bhutto was everyone's last great hope to stabilize and modernize that country. Her assassination could galvanize Pakistan's populace into action against an oppressive Islamist minority seeking to gain control of the country. But, most likely, the people will just submit. It's what they do.

So we're left with a sort of bad guy in charge of the country, who's pretty shady on his best day, and a Taleban-friendly militant Islamist tribe (read: Bullies) in the north looking to spread its influence throughout the region by way of violence and terror, and the one leader who the people felt was worth a damn gets killed by some **** working for one of those minority factions. It's very unsettling to find out that someone so strong and well-liked and capable of leadership could be or would be eliminated so easily and indiscriminately. Even Bush, typically so cocky or smug on-camera despite his bumbling history with public speech, appeared shocked and nervous while giving his comments on the matter.

So, yeah. The world's holding it's breath. That's why the stocks have dropped. (I, personally, am thinking of fleeing to Canada.)

seems violence is a way of life there. how can anyone be surprised? it's like giving nuclear capabilities to cavemen. does this mean our stock market will crash if they nuke each other? i really can see it happening some day. my point is that it seems the middle east is bent on self destruction and it will happen one day, not if but when. will our country be prepared or will our market leave us with a new depression? seems like a pretty shaky system in place.

 

[Eli26]

Ditto...

Oh wait, I am already there!

 

[tylerd]

how easy would it be to be able to work in canada as a u.s. citizen? i met a guy last week that is from canada and he lives and works in the u.s., but is still a canadian citizen.

 

[Rook]

how easy would it be to be able to work in canada as a u.s. citizen? i met a guy last week that is from canada and he lives and works in the u.s., but is still a canadian citizen.

I've no idea. It's a moot point, though, as my girlfriend would never consent to moving north. She hates the cold. I keep telling her that, when one takes global warming and climate change into account, property in Canada might be a wise investment. It's gonna be tropical by the end of the century.

But enough of that. On to Bhutto. Try this link.

Analysis of Bhutto Assassination

 

[carbo-fation]

Bhutto assassination was def. a major setback for Pakistan. She was a good leader with a shaky past. One of the reasons her death shook the whole country was that her father, her brother and her husband, all three were assassianted for their politcal believes years before. She was liked by many, but when she was in power years ago, she was unable to control the corruption that went on in the parliament. And despite popular believes, President Musharef is NOT a bad guy. He's the only reason the US considers Pakistan an ally. He's had more assassination attempts on his life than any other politcal figure this past year. He's just trying control the unrest in Pakistan that is caused by Militants supporting the Taliban. Sometimes, democracy just doesn't work everytime. Taking control over the government to stabilize is sometimes the best option.

 

[Polylord]

seems violence is a way of life there. how can anyone be surprised? it's like giving nuclear capabilities to cavemen. does this mean our stock market will crash if they nuke each other? i really can see it happening some day. my point is that it seems the middle east is bent on self destruction and it will happen one day, not if but when. will our country be prepared or will our market leave us with a new depression? seems like a pretty shaky system in place.

What do you mean "there"? You make it sound like there's no violence in the US. Or in any other country of the world for that matter. Even in our "civilized" country a politician was murdered a few years back. Same with Sweden. It's like there are always some insane people out there who think violence is the way to go. Not just in Pakistan.

 

[Adoptedscot]

Just another messed up situation in a messed up world unfortunately.

 

[Mudshark]

It was shocking news, and yet somehow not terribly surprising. There are probably too many pissed off, unhappy, agitated people there who have easy access to military type weapons and explosives... a dangerous combination. This is a class A cluster**** for Pakistan, and it doesn't change a damn thing for the better, but morons who think blowing people up makes the world a better place somehow are too f'n stupid to realize that anyway. She will likely be martyred by her supporters, and who knows, maybe that will somehow get things moving in a positive direction. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Anzik]

Nothing like the idea of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of radicals to make the globe nervous. Instability with Pakistan could lead to nuclear war. If extremists get nukes, Israel is the first target, they will counterstrike , the worlds oil supply will be strangled and financial interests worldwide will collapse. Her assassination is yet another attempt by the extremists to send the message that if you oppose us you die.
The bottom line is that unless some moderate Muslims start a large movement to reclaim their religion from the extremists, this is going to escalate to a point of no return.

 

[hammy]

I will attempt to make a loose connection between her death and the fall of stock prices. So much of the price in commodities and stocks are based on speculation. Any attempt at unrest in the supply chain of oil and the whole market goes crazy. Here goes my attempt. Unrest in middle east leads to speculation of attempted action such as two countries attaching each other. Therefore these countries will not be able to focus on producing oil to sell to the US at astronomical prices. Supply goes down price goes up. Probably more than it should because investors are playing on our feelings that we get from the national media. We think there is a problem and we go crazy and then the snowball effect takes place. Anyway with higher oil prices that means it is going to cost companies more to ship goods for us consumers to buy. Instead of taking that cost on themselves they pass it on to the end user. Therefore the cost of everything goes up. If this happens there can be two results we pay the higher cost or we can use less of a product or buy a cheaper version. With the current state of our economy the "experts" believe that people will scale back on purchases and will result in less sales or increased inventory which will result in less quarterly earnings which make the value of the stock decline. Sorry for this being so long but I tried to explain it as clearly as possible. My only suggestion is to vote for RON PAUL the only hope the US has to get away from the mess we now find our economy in.

 

[gdb]

The bottom line is that unless some moderate Muslims start a large movement to reclaim their religion from the extremists, this is going to escalate to a point of no return.

Same point can be made about the Christians and the Religious Right in power here in America. Seems that religious fanatics and their evangelical agendas is driving humanity towards the cliff of no return.

 

[Vader AL]

how did i know this thread would, ironically, bring out the crazies.

 

[tylerd]

thanks guys for the explanations. the latest is now the pakistani ministry is making claims that bhutto did not die from a gunshot or shrapnel, but from hitting her head on the sunroof of her car. i mean, come on people. is it necessary to lie just for the sake of lying? meanwhile the doctor at the emergency room where she was admitted did an interview and told of a gapping wound caused my most likely shrapnel. what advantage or benefit would the ministry have by lying about how she died? the fact is, she was assassinated and it doesn't matter by what method.

 

[tylerd]

how did i know this thread would, ironically, bring out the crazies.

sometimes serious discussion can put things into perspective. i feel our lives should have some form of seriousness every once in a while and shouldn't be all distraction, fun and games. makes you think about the important things like love, life and family.

 

[Vader AL]

thanks guys for the explanations. the latest is now the pakistani ministry is making claims that bhutto did not die from a gunshot or shrapnel, but from hitting her head on the sunroof of her car. i mean, come on people. is it necessary to lie just for the sake of lying? meanwhile the doctor at the emergency room where she was admitted did an interview and told of a gapping wound caused my most likely shrapnel. what advantage or benefit would the ministry have by lying about how she died? the fact is, she was assassinated and it doesn't matter by what method.

to keep a positive "political" spin on it i guess and make it appear they have some semblance of order in their country. i try not to try and make rational sense from crazy extremists aka the middle east. i just read it and move on.

 

[Mudshark]

Pretty much all religious extremists suck, even worse when they mix their religious ideologies with politics! Can anyone think of any group of extremists who are actually making the world a better place? When will they ever learn.

 

[tylerd]

Can anyone think of any group of extremists who are actually making the world a better place?

jehovah witnesses?