Black Panther Wakanda Forever - November 11, 2022

[jedibear]

Just saw some new clips and ...wow. It's beginning to look like there is no rock bottom with Marvel. It just keeps sinking lower and lower...

How can something so high profile look so cheap? Why is the acting skipping right over into parody?

And will there be a scene or two to explain how the Dr. Pepper guy raided his mommie's costume jewelry box before wandering onto the set of a Marvel movie?

Disappointment has morphed into incredulous head-shaking....

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Just saw some new clips and ...wow. It's beginning to look like there is no rock bottom with Marvel. It just keeps sinking lower and lower...

How can something so high profile look so cheap? Why is the acting skipping right over into parody?

Maybe we should film a parody film

"White Mastiff - Pine Barrens Sometimes Infrequently"

It would be you and myself, going to New Jersey, looking for the Russian guy that Christopher and Paulie Walnuts shot and weren't sure was dead or not. Kind of like searching for Big Foot.

You would be the title character - White Mastiff. In an exo combat suit that looks like Clifford The Big Red Dog. And you'd get kicked out of the super hero team. You kept arguing. When the invasion started, you wanted to know why a private country that could create a force field, couldn't also create some landmines, machine gun emplacements and artillery, instead of charging head first with a bunch of spears. Against mechanized alien infantry with heavy air support and armor.

I would be your sidekick, a disgraced **** star. ( Let's just clarify, we only meet in this film AFTER I've been shamed out of the **** industry, I don't want woke film reviewers to start adding up dots that aren't meant to be added up)

You'll ask, how did I become disgraced. Great question. Two young buxom beauties in cheerleader outfits were fighting over me, off camera, and then fell off of a balcony. SPLAT. They were fighting over which one of them would get to make me my evening roast beef sandwich. One said I liked the crusts cut off. The other said no, that gives the sandwich so much character. The first said what do you know about character, your acting coach dropped you, and then they started punching each other.

There would be a thrilling car chase, featuring electric vehicles. And then the batteries would die. We could bring back the guy from True Lies - "Aziz, Aziz, the battery...." in a cameo. But if the chase was on mountain top, we could just roll down and keep the chase going. This would be a prime opportunity for you to use your gold plated Desert Eagles.

But here's what matters, to create real pathos in the story. Can a disgraced **** star find redemption with his clothes on?

White Mastiff, my friend, off we go. To throw a ring down the mouth of a volcano. No, no, I won't use a drone. That's not cinematic. There's no real story arc there. Don't be pedantic about it all.

Somehow I just wrote a better story than Birds of Prey. Beat that with a stick.

 

[Victοr]

Namor's name is now a shortened Spanish translation of the boy without love. Manletmor's new origin, allegedly, is that his people were Aztecs who were forced to go live underwated because of the Conquistadors and got changed into waterbreathers by this magical Talocan place. So the Conquistadors called him a virgin some centuries ago and he goes around telling people that?



"My people call me Ku'Kul'Kan................................................................................................... but my enemies call me THE VIRGIN!"

What even is this flick? How does that work for Namora then? Is she The Female Virgin? Well, at least we'll probably don't have to worry about love triangle bull in FF. I always disliked that B-Plot whenever it happened. It made Sue look like a ****, Reed like a dork and honestly, it hurt Namor even more to be going around begging for a crumb of ***** from a married woman. Man, the FF can be really lame at times. No wonder as time went on DOOM became the true star of the book and outgrew it in many ways. Of course MCU Doom will nothing but a shadow of his proper self because Feige wants to prop up Clown Kang and waste time with Echo, Wonder Man and Agatha... Dunno, maybe they'll keep the Beyonder stuff and the God Emperor role for Doom, involve him more with the X-Men and the Phoenix instead of the Avengers and Wanda, make him frenemies with Magneto and Apocalypse instead of Namor and Kang, I don't know. I'm trying to remain optimistic...

I'll say one thing about Manletmor though. The fact that his origin is completely new and they're not making Atlantis Mayan (that's what I thought originally, but they've bypassed the Mayans and are making Namor's people much more recent and related to the Aztecs, so literally no relation to Atlantis or any such myth) but rather creating an entirely new thing, is a bonus from me since it allows me to judge it all on their own merits and not be bothered by the culture-bending. Though, to be fair, Myth Atlantis was just Plato's way of talking about hubris and portraying Athens as a bigger power who punk'd those Atlantean *******, so even the usual GrecoRoman stuff are wrong. There's history there to support that "Atlantis" was an allegory for other Greek states in his story, or the "historical Atlantis" was some civilization contemporary to the earlier Egyptians as Plato got the story from sources passed down from them, or they were just the Sea Peoples. Whatever the case, the super-advanced and specifically GrecoRoman Atlantis was never a proper thing. Atlantis was always a story about weaklings getting punk'd and the gods going "lmao you guys are weak and arrogant, go drown lol". I'm just in the camp that prefers the Proto-Med aesthetics from things like Nadia and Disney's flick. Ultimate Egyptian Namor looked cool as well. That's what I'd have liked to have seen. A big, buff, handsome guy at the very least, whatever the culture.

I also found this fan-art ages ago that I'd have killed to get as a figure:

Between Clown Kang and this, they're really killing me on getting some Egyptian themed superhero dollies. Maybe Apocalypse will be well cast and designed, but I doubt it. I'd have killed for a Retrofuturistic Rama-Tut played by someone like Bale (my out of the left field fancast for Kang was always Billy Zane however that's another talk), but I'm stuck with the guy we got...

Well, maybe if they release a Rama-Tut I could swap some stuff around again and create one to my liking. We'll see.

Anyway, he's not muh Namor, Hell, he's not even Namor, but if he's cool enough and appears later down the line with a better costume (and physique, and without that poor excuse for a beard) I could maybe buy a dolly just to stick it in my Illuminati. Maybe, I have too much stuff to buy as is. And honestly, it never made sense to me to put him in the Illuminati. Tony was there for the Avengers (and because he's an incredibly rich supergenius), Reed for the FF (and because he's THE supergenius), Xavier for the X-Men (and because he's a genius and also incredibly rich and also a Top 3 telepath), Strange for the Magic stuff and because he's Sorcerer Supreme, and Bolt was there because... the Inhumans are a thing, I guess. And he's a pretty good King with the best self-control in the universe while also being supremely powerful, plus he's got a connection to the wider cosmic setting, so I suppose it didn't hurt to have him around. T'Challa rejected them (which was stupid and I just headcannoned as him being unwilling to co-operate; classic T'Challa is as much of a scheming scumbag as the rest of those guys). Which brings us to Namor who was there because... I honestly don't know why. "Muh ocean" one can say, but really, if anyone wanted to conquer the ****** kingdoms that exist down there they could've done so easily. Hell, Namor's not even a good King; he loses his crown more than other super-villains get ousted from their terrorist organizations. He's not even particularly smart. He's just a ****. He was effectively just there to be the scapegoat to whatever extremelly questionable thing they'd need to do. Which makes one wonder why they didn't just invite Doom, but then again he'd have blown them off because he doesn't co-operate. You ask me, Namor's anti-hero status should've been transferred to Black Bolt, since with his self-control he'd be able to really weigh those decisions, and Namor's slot sould've gone to Captain Britain. Y'Know, the supergenius magical Superman who's part of an Omniversal Green Lantern Corps? I like my Illuminati being 6 people (due to the 6 Gems mainly, but because of some other reasons too) so if I had a chance I could've replaced Namor with Brian, even if he was comic accurate, and just stuck Namor next to Doom or something.

...Sometimes I get this feeling that I don't actually like lots of my supposed favourites and just enjoy some basic aesthetics and the idea I've built of them in my head. Then again, most capes are stupid and carried by some basic aesthetics and cool moments amongst a sea of mediocrity, so... eh.

PS: Oh yeah, this is the WF thread. The new clips look atrocious. That Talocanil attack on Wakanda is dreadful. The CGI was always shoddy, but Christ. I thought this was going to at least be a proper movie, but at this point I doubt it'll be even worth speedwatching it at 2.0x. Maybe at 3.0x...

 

[Mondragon]

Namor's name is now a shortened Spanish translation of the boy without love. Manletmor's new origin, allegedly, is that his people were Aztecs who were forced to go live underwated because of the Conquistadors and got changed into waterbreathers by this magical Talocan place. So the Conquistadors called him a virgin some centuries ago and he goes around telling people that?

"My people call me Ku'Kul'Kan................................................................................................... but my enemies call me THE VIRGIN!"

Triggered meltdown alert^ , You know that was an extraneous anecdote by Alonzo right.

 

[Victοr]

Triggered meltdown alert^ , You know that was an extraneous anecdote by Alonzo right.

I wrote an entire page and maybe 1 paragraph was devoted to that; I wouldn't call that a "triggered meltdown". My next sentence is about the classic FF love triangle and then I go off on my usual comic rant. I wrote more about the comic book Illuminati. Considering that's the only part you replied to, and highlighted the jokey part specifically, perhaps it's you who's triggered!

How am I supposed to know what's a joke and what's not? In the comics Namor's meant to be a translation of Avenging Son. It's quasi-Latin and fits with the quasi-GrecoRoman Atlantis. MCU Namor is an Aztec, which has nothing to do with that language, so they can't shoehorn a random quasi-Latin word in there. What, are they just going to add a random nonsensical word to real life Spanish and pretend the Conquistadors called him Namor which translates into "Avenging Son" when it doesn't? I see a press junket statement, I hear there's a reason he's called Namor, I figure "hey, this is it".

 

[jye4ever]

I wrote an entire page and maybe 1 paragraph was devoted to that; I wouldn't call that a "triggered meltdown". My next sentence is about the classic FF love triangle and then I go off on my usual comic rant. I wrote more about the comic book Illuminati. Considering that's the only part you replied to, and highlighted the jokey part specifically, perhaps it's you who's triggered!

How am I supposed to know what's a joke and what's not? In the comics Namor's meant to be a translation of Avenging Son. It's quasi-Latin and fits with the quasi-GrecoRoman Atlantis. MCU Namor is an Aztec, which has nothing to do with that language, so they can't shoehorn a random quasi-Latin word in there. What, are they just going to add a random nonsensical word to real life Spanish and pretend the Conquistadors called him Namor which translates into "Avenging Son" when it doesn't? I see a press junket statement, I hear there's a reason he's called Namor, I figure "hey, this is it".

There’s a shop in New York City that had a T-shirt with Naymor but it was titled Gaymor.

There was more thought put into that t-shirt than from the writers of the movie lol

I would’ve put Neymar from Brasil soccer on that t-shirt lol

 

[Victοr]

There’s a shop in New York City that had a T-shirt with Naymor but it was titled Gaymor.

There was more thought put into that t-shirt than from the writers of the movie lol

I would’ve put Neymar from Brasil soccer on that t-shirt lol

I think they did put quite some thought into it, and Coogler seems to be a genuine comic fan (he even called dibs on Namor per some recent articles, otherwise we'd have gotten classic Namor in the Illuminati scene in MOM), but at this point it's an OC hijacking a name and erasing a lot of aspects about who Namor is as a character. So what's left? What's the point? This could've been an OC, which it is, and Namor could've existed as well. The Marvel oceans have multiple undersea kingdoms, and the MCU isn't even a take on Atlantis, it's a completely different thing. All they're taking is the name and "water-based kingdom". It's like if DC took the branding of Aquaman, replaced Atlantis with Xebel, reworked that into, dunno, a Chinese myth or something, then slapped the Aquaman name on the MC and called it a day.



This all looks genuinely pretty cool to me, but I don't see "Namor" anywhere there, especially in the actor. I see something that I might enjoy when I watch it, I see a character I might like, but nothing that really makes me go "wow, this is the adaptation I've always dreamed of". I like Sci-Fi takes on specific civilizations and the such, be they on Earth, or some sort of Ancient Aliens deal. I like it when the aesthetic goes beyond "generic block buildings... but with extra lights!" and instead has a specific cultural image pushed to the max but in a strange, futuristic way. It's my jam. So even if I'm definitely not going to the cinemas to watch this, I am looking forward a bit to see how Talocan looks and functions. But I'd have vastly preferred it if they just reworked White Tiger like that, and left Namor alone. I'd have preferred a Nadia style adaptation, period. I'd have taken classic GrecoRoman Namor, but if I were in charge, a Nadia/Disney's Atlantis reimagining is what I've done.

I just find it hypocritical to give every big American demographic their own Magical Sci-Fi Utopia based on money-driven corporate ideas, and then go around having Idris Elba as Heimdal, or portraying Dionysus as a fat drunkard with syphilis. I'm not one to get my cultural representation and validation from pop culture products, like the cringy interview above, but it's disingenuous to go about "muh importance of representation" and then start wrecking other real cultures while your pop culture fantasy is treated as some important statement. And then those people turn around and condemn Proyas', an Egyptian's, take on Egyptian gods. ****** movie notwithstanding, it's not worse than what they've been doing en masse in recent years, and it was his own culture.

It's the same problem I have with Doom/Wanda/Pietro/every Balkan character. Instead of writing a Balkan and calling it a day, they just have them be gypsies who are "unfairly persecuted", all written by Americans who romantisize an idea that never existed. The rest of Europe is either generic [Insert Flag Here] characters or ex-Nazis and stereotypes. Same with most of the rest of the world, really. You're not going to get any fleshed out Ghanan, Indian or Iranian characters. I'm not expecting American capebooks to "represent" anything, like I said above, but if you're going to go ahead and do something, do it properly. I hate half-assed jobs is my point. I'd rather have every single character be a New Yorker than what they're doing. The Balkan thing is just extremelly specific in how it's handled. And then you have twittertards whining about "muh proper representation" and demanding a gypsy actor (when all the ones they bring up look like regular Serbs and their "gypsy heritage" is having one such great-great-great grandmother) while drawing the characters darker than a Kenyan, when it's the equivalent of Kirby creating Wakanda but then making it so that a sole platinum blonde lilly-white boy unfairly persecuted by the dominant group grew up to assume the Black Panther mantle (or to use an actual character, it'd be like Hunter being BP). Just let the Balkan character be a Balkan, or just go ahead and create a non-Balkan character. Although, if we're being honest, Balkaners hate each other so much, a gypsy would be preferable to basing a character on a specific country, so maybe they're onto something...

Doom could've been dictator of any country on Earth and worked the same. But Kirby wanted both a riff on Hitler/Mussolini/etc and a "sympathetic origin", plus a Medieval King look inspired by Dumas' stories, when all together it makes little sense. Why is a Balkan dressed like a German Royal and a Medieval Knight? Why is his name a mixture of German and English when he's a Balkan gypsy? Unless you're a noble, "von" just means from, and being gypsies, they're not from anywhere to get it, especially as "from doom/fate" doesn't work because at best it'd be "from [insert town]". Why are Latverians drawn as Austrians from the 1800s well into the 2000s? MCU wise I hope they keep borrowing from the 1610 and make Doom a descendant of Dracula. Say what you will about Ellis' FF and the goat legs, but that was cool as Hell. And it gives the character something specific to hold on to. I'm also in the camp that prefers a more proper and "modern" attire for his daily meetings, a special Royal look more tied to the region than the generic Medieval tunic and flat grey armour look, and then specific costumes for each task. Ironically, Doom is a character that I feel needs a bit of an MCU reimagining. His name should be reworked as the "fate" version of whatever language they end up using for Latveria's culture/geographical placement. His attire needs to be more specific. He needs reworking, period. Just not enough that he becomes an exiled Wakandan imbued with magical powers by a Celestial with his central power base being in the Phillipines or whatever. In any case I'll have to wait at least 3 years for maybe a post-credits tease, so...

I'm rambling again, but it's not like these threads are active anymore. Nobody cares. The MCU became just as bloated as the comics themselves, and also blander, safer and much more boring.

 

[jye4ever]

Prime Victor

 

[The Buffinator]

Prime Victor

Good stuff, but he tends to lose me around the 10th or 11th paragraph. That and I'm always worried I'll have to pass a test if I ever finish one of his posts lol...

 

[jye4ever]

Good stuff, but he tends to lose me around the 10th or 11th paragraph. That and I'm always worried I'll have to pass a test if I ever finish one of his posts lol...

Like I said Prime Victor

I forgot his previous name

 

[The Buffinator]

Like I said Prime Victor

I forgot his previous name

Tolstoy?

 

[The Buffinator]

The novelty wore off for me after the first Avengers movie. I thought it was "neat" to see Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and the Hulk in (more or less) live action together on screen. (I still consider Hulk a cartoon, so he's not exactly live action.)

That was it. It was neat. The story was nothing special.

I also enjoyed Infinity War, but I thought Endgame was too stupid for words. I've also stated my favorite scene in almost all the movies was them partying in Age of Ultron, and I want to see a movie of just Tony and Thor and Steve drinking and joking around. It was fun. The rest of the movie was boring.

I think I saw.....two MCU movies in the theater? I own none of them.

As neat as it is for a few minutes to see big Hollywood actors playing my beloved childhood heroes, the novelty wore off really quickly for me. If you told me in 1991 that someday I'd see a Deadpool and Cable movie with relatively authentic costumes, I'd had peed my pants right on the spot. But by the time it finally happened, I was waaay over it. I'd rather go back and flip through the old Liefeld originals than watch the movie. Same with my Iron Man and Captain America comics.

Having said all that, at least Iron Man thru Endgame featured the A-list characters. This Phase 4 **** is pathetic. I can't imagine anyone other than the Eric Butts-es of the world even giving a crap.

If you love Dr. Doom, just be glad he's not in this garbage. Go back and enjoy him the way he was meant to be, on the printed page.

Holy screaming eagle ****. You must be fun at parties.

Otomofan - bringing the kill to our buzz since 2009...

 

[Victοr]

Prime Victor

Good stuff, but he tends to lose me around the 10th or 11th paragraph. That and I'm always worried I'll have to pass a test if I ever finish one of his posts lol...

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand a Victorpost. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of comic book minutia most of the jokes will go over a typical reader's head. There's also Victor's absurdist outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. Victorstans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Victorposts truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Victor's existential catchphrase "Dolla Dolly Doll Doll" which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Victor's genius wit unfolds itself on their pc monitors. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, I DO have a Victor tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

Like I said Prime Victor

I forgot his previous name

Tolstoy?

I am actually Grant Morrison.

And I am off my bloody meds!

 

[Sassafras]

Just saw some new clips and ...wow. It's beginning to look like there is no rock bottom with Marvel. It just keeps sinking lower and lower...

How can something so high profile look so cheap? Why is the acting skipping right over into parody?

And will there be a scene or two to explain how the Dr. Pepper guy raided his mommie's costume jewelry box before wandering onto the set of a Marvel movie?

Disappointment has morphed into incredulous head-shaking....

I don't care so I read all the spoilers. The clips make it look like a chick flick. And from the clips it looks like either more dodgy CGI and/or you need to squint. Anyway am no fan of rehash; e.g. coming out with a character that's coasting on an original idea e.g. Iron Man. RDJ & co. did too good a job.

Maybe they should have taken a longer break before another BP

 

[chrisstbh]

Namor's name is now a shortened Spanish translation of the boy without love. Manletmor's new origin, allegedly, is that his people were Aztecs who were forced to go live underwated because of the Conquistadors and got changed into waterbreathers by this magical Talocan place. So the Conquistadors called him a virgin some centuries ago and he goes around telling people that?



"My people call me Ku'Kul'Kan................................................................................................... but my enemies call me THE VIRGIN!"

What even is this flick? How does that work for Namora then? Is she The Female Virgin? Well, at least we'll probably don't have to worry about love triangle bull in FF. I always disliked that B-Plot whenever it happened. It made Sue look like a ****, Reed like a dork and honestly, it hurt Namor even more to be going around begging for a crumb of ***** from a married woman. Man, the FF can be really lame at times. No wonder as time went on DOOM became the true star of the book and outgrew it in many ways. Of course MCU Doom will nothing but a shadow of his proper self because Feige wants to prop up Clown Kang and waste time with Echo, Wonder Man and Agatha... Dunno, maybe they'll keep the Beyonder stuff and the God Emperor role for Doom, involve him more with the X-Men and the Phoenix instead of the Avengers and Wanda, make him frenemies with Magneto and Apocalypse instead of Namor and Kang, I don't know. I'm trying to remain optimistic...

I'll say one thing about Manletmor though. The fact that his origin is completely new and they're not making Atlantis Mayan (that's what I thought originally, but they've bypassed the Mayans and are making Namor's people much more recent and related to the Aztecs, so literally no relation to Atlantis or any such myth) but rather creating an entirely new thing, is a bonus from me since it allows me to judge it all on their own merits and not be bothered by the culture-bending. Though, to be fair, Myth Atlantis was just Plato's way of talking about hubris and portraying Athens as a bigger power who punk'd those Atlantean *******, so even the usual GrecoRoman stuff are wrong. There's history there to support that "Atlantis" was an allegory for other Greek states in his story, or the "historical Atlantis" was some civilization contemporary to the earlier Egyptians as Plato got the story from sources passed down from them, or they were just the Sea Peoples. Whatever the case, the super-advanced and specifically GrecoRoman Atlantis was never a proper thing. Atlantis was always a story about weaklings getting punk'd and the gods going "lmao you guys are weak and arrogant, go drown lol". I'm just in the camp that prefers the Proto-Med aesthetics from things like Nadia and Disney's flick. Ultimate Egyptian Namor looked cool as well. That's what I'd have liked to have seen. A big, buff, handsome guy at the very least, whatever the culture.

I also found this fan-art ages ago that I'd have killed to get as a figure:

Between Clown Kang and this, they're really killing me on getting some Egyptian themed superhero dollies. Maybe Apocalypse will be well cast and designed, but I doubt it. I'd have killed for a Retrofuturistic Rama-Tut played by someone like Bale (my out of the left field fancast for Kang was always Billy Zane however that's another talk), but I'm stuck with the guy we got...

Well, maybe if they release a Rama-Tut I could swap some stuff around again and create one to my liking. We'll see.

Anyway, he's not muh Namor, Hell, he's not even Namor, but if he's cool enough and appears later down the line with a better costume (and physique, and without that poor excuse for a beard) I could maybe buy a dolly just to stick it in my Illuminati. Maybe, I have too much stuff to buy as is. And honestly, it never made sense to me to put him in the Illuminati. Tony was there for the Avengers (and because he's an incredibly rich supergenius), Reed for the FF (and because he's THE supergenius), Xavier for the X-Men (and because he's a genius and also incredibly rich and also a Top 3 telepath), Strange for the Magic stuff and because he's Sorcerer Supreme, and Bolt was there because... the Inhumans are a thing, I guess. And he's a pretty good King with the best self-control in the universe while also being supremely powerful, plus he's got a connection to the wider cosmic setting, so I suppose it didn't hurt to have him around. T'Challa rejected them (which was stupid and I just headcannoned as him being unwilling to co-operate; classic T'Challa is as much of a scheming scumbag as the rest of those guys). Which brings us to Namor who was there because... I honestly don't know why. "Muh ocean" one can say, but really, if anyone wanted to conquer the ****** kingdoms that exist down there they could've done so easily. Hell, Namor's not even a good King; he loses his crown more than other super-villains get ousted from their terrorist organizations. He's not even particularly smart. He's just a ****. He was effectively just there to be the scapegoat to whatever extremelly questionable thing they'd need to do. Which makes one wonder why they didn't just invite Doom, but then again he'd have blown them off because he doesn't co-operate. You ask me, Namor's anti-hero status should've been transferred to Black Bolt, since with his self-control he'd be able to really weigh those decisions, and Namor's slot sould've gone to Captain Britain. Y'Know, the supergenius magical Superman who's part of an Omniversal Green Lantern Corps? I like my Illuminati being 6 people (due to the 6 Gems mainly, but because of some other reasons too) so if I had a chance I could've replaced Namor with Brian, even if he was comic accurate, and just stuck Namor next to Doom or something.

...Sometimes I get this feeling that I don't actually like lots of my supposed favourites and just enjoy some basic aesthetics and the idea I've built of them in my head. Then again, most capes are stupid and carried by some basic aesthetics and cool moments amongst a sea of mediocrity, so... eh.

PS: Oh yeah, this is the WF thread. The new clips look atrocious. That Talocanil attack on Wakanda is dreadful. The CGI was always shoddy, but Christ. I thought this was going to at least be a proper movie, but at this point I doubt it'll be even worth speedwatching it at 2.0x. Maybe at 3.0x...

That scene was shot like a fan film lol

 

[Victοr]

That scene was shot like a fan film lol

All the clips thus far look like poorly rendered PS3 cutscenes.

Also, I read the detailed breakdown that came out after the premiere. If they are real (and they've been verified in multiple outlets while also being accurate to what we've seen/heard so far so they probably are) then...

 

[Hydeous]

Just watched this.

Must say it’s pretty good. Though I think the first was better

 

[dominishin]

I didn't even realize the identity was meant to be a secret? It's pretty obvious who it is especially with those dots on the mask.

 

[chrisstbh]

I didn't even realize the identity was meant to be a secret? It's pretty obvious who it is especially with those dots on the mask.

The MCU has become so cookie cutter and predictable that people need to make up their own mysteries and surprises now

 

[e30ernest]

Just saw this as well. I really liked it, much better than the first for me. Some non-spoiler thoughts:

- There were some really iffy CGI here and there. Especially with Namor.
- I liked Namor as a villain. Relatable.
- The entire cast just brought it. Angela Basset had some real gravitas along with Winston, Lupita and Danai.
- I liked Riri more than I expected to. Now I can't wait for Ironheart.