Black Panther Wakanda Forever - November 11, 2022

[Victοr]

I dunno man.

I've always agreed that the dweeb with a giant ugly green rock shoved through his nose looks effing stupid on a molecular level.

But after seeing all the comic book references you're posting of what's supposed to be the "cool" Namor....

Maybe you're just blind to the fact that Namor sucks, and he's always sucked.

He's the first Marvel character. The first proper comics anti-hero. Namor deserves respect!

 

[Otomofan]

Ehhh. Respect is a funny thing. True respect needs to be earned. I don't "respect" Nah-mooooore cause he was "first" but I'll certainly ACKNOWLEDGE him.

By all the historical accounts I've read, the Yellow Kid was the first ever comics character.

That's all well and good, but he's still a doofus.

 

[Victοr]

Ehhh. Respect is a funny thing. True respect needs to be earned. I don't "respect" Nah-mooooore cause he was "first" but I'll certainly ACKNOWLEDGE him.

By all the historical accounts I've read, the Yellow Kid was the first ever comics character.

That's all well and good, but he's still a doofus.

Namor was the first Marvel character and technically the first anti-hero, not the first comic character or super-hero. And he is cool, dammit! He's deep and complex and nuanced and balanced and well thought out and all that good stuff. He's the only cape character who doesn't hide behind self-righteous hypocrisy. In the cape world, that's one in a million.

All kidding aside, I'm not going to pretend he's Edmond Dantes, Raskolnikov or Achilles, but as far as capes go Namor has been relatively consistent for nearly a century and is unique amongst the all those characters. No excuses for what he is, no sugar-coating of his actions, no cape contrivancies to show a King as anything but the necessary role, simply a realistic (as much as that means in such a setting) portrayal of a monarch. I understand that others can find him irritating, obnoxious, too vile to be seen as anything beyond a traditional villain, but I've never understood the notion that he's a dork or boring. People like the Flash for crying out loud, and he's a walking PIS deus ex machina who shouldn't even have any villains. And somehow he's got a show and a film and everything. Then again past Green Lantern I have always found the DC characters too corny and obnoxious in their attempt to be "modern myths" (I'd go as far as to say that it's mildly insulting) so it might be a matter of taste. I like Batman and love Vertigo, WildStorm is nostalgic for me too, and I've got a love/hate relationship with the New Gods, but the wider DCU never grew on me. The cosmology, the lore, it's very eh. So there is an argument to be made that perhaps I tend to gravitate towards this type, hence why I like Namor.

If you move past the admittedly awful trunks, I think you'll find the core rather interesting as a character. But then again that might just be my inclination towards those kinds of characters talking.

 

[jye4ever]

Oto have you never heard the saying “Release the Kraken!”

Victor is LITERALLY from the Kraken empire lol

 

[e30ernest]

Just rewatched this with my wife. Still a load of fun for me and the time went by quickly. Some nitpicks:

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1. Shuri mourns the loss of her brother more than her mother. Understandable because they are paying tribute to Chadwick, but it feels less real because of this.
2. Riri's 20+ thousand feet take down of the drone and causing it to crash on the cops is far fetched. Also, I didn't see clearly if everyone of those cops got away, or if they got squished and incinerated by the drone.
3. The Wakandans take a huge boat to fight the Talokanil. I'm surprised they did not have a contingency plan should the single sonic emitter fail. I'd expected more airpower coming in knowing that Namor was Talokan's only counter to their aircraft.
4. Most of the army Wakanda brought died. How much of their actual forces were on that boat? Does this mean they are severely weaker now against the rest of the world?

Now some good parts:

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1. I wasn't much of a fan of Letitia's acting in the first watch, but I appreciate her more the second time around. She really did well here. I felt her emotions on her conversation with M'Baku.
2. I still like Riri even though she is a disposable element of the movie.
3. Everett is probably a Skrull. Or maybe he's a plant. No-way they'd transport him with just those two guards knowing his connections to Wakanda.
4. Talokan's design was amazing IMO, much better than Aquaman's Atlantis. Talokan really felt like a world where people can travel with 6 degrees of freedom. Maybe that's why it was off-putting when I first saw it (because I was used to living in basically a plane) but now I just realized how well thought out this city was. Atlantis in comparison felt just like a city under water.

 

[choombaz]

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1. Shuri mourns the loss of her brother more than her mother. Understandable because they are paying tribute to Chadwick, but it feels less real because of this.

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Agree with pretty much everything you said except this. Siblings can have an incredibly strong relationship, I think I would be more upset if my sister died and my mother was still alive. Plus the fact that they died under completely different circumstances.

 

[e30ernest]

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Agree with pretty much everything you said except this. Siblings can have an incredibly strong relationship, I think I would be more upset if my sister died and my mother was still alive. Plus the fact that they died under completely different circumstances.

Oh yeah I agree, I worded that poorly. To rephrase:

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She only had 1 scene to mourn her mother. In the end when she burns the clothes she wore to both funerals they only show her brother, and not her mother.

Again I understand why they did this. But I can't get it out of my head that she would have at least had a few thoughts of her mother as well.

 

[Bjjer]

I liked Mayan Namor. Turned an otherwise boring character into an interesting one. One of Marvels better changes and I agree, Namor kinda always sucked.

 

[ironwez20]

People always think dudes who just live in water and control ocean animals suck. Lol I always wondered why. I know they are pretty useless in space but half our world is covered in water. They better let aquaman on the team

 

[choombaz]

Officially set for release on Blu-ray, DVD & 4K Ultra HD on 2/7 with Digital and Disney+ streaming on 2/1.

The discs will be fixed 2.39:1 aspect ratio but will be IMAX Enhanced on Disney+.

 

[guyver1]

This film got smoked by Avatar’s viewership…too bad …will never match Avatar’s box office earnings

 

[MeatHookGekko]

People always think dudes who just live in water and control ocean animals suck. Lol I always wondered why. I know they are pretty useless in space but half our world is covered in water. They better let aquaman on the team

 

[jye4ever]

I liked Shuri as BP…

 

[Dave_W]

Just finished watching it. It has the most heart out of all of Phase 4, but most of that is down to Boseman's death. Namor was interesting but could have been fleshed out even more, especially for a film that's nearly 3 hours long. Riri felt shoehorned in. Wright is skinny AF! T'Challa Jr was a nice way of keeping 'T'Challa' without replacing Boseman, that seems like the best balance between a straight up recast and killing 'T'Challa' off completely. None of it matters because Kang.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I’ll watch this on Disney+ eventually. I’m in no hurry

 

[Sassafras]

I’ll watch this on Disney+ eventually. I’m in no hurry

I cared so much didn't even realize it was out on D+.

But the YT vids about it were funny.

 

[loki2371]

I saw it was on D+ this past weekend. And I got some emails too.

Maybe I'll get around to this after I finally watch Black Widow and The Eternals...

But I doubt it.

 

[jedibear]

Started to watch this on D+ and....made it about 15 minutes in. Was it THAT DARK in the theater? Wow...who is doing quality control for the big D these days?

The "tribute" done with the Marvel logo at the beginning was more moving than the actual funeral scenes. I felt nothing. Seeing a glimpse of Chadwick on a wall wasn't a tribute, it was a stark reminder of what was missing.

I finally just started skimming through it and every scene I landed on was cringe. Freeman talking about his new "boss"...the bratty miracle girl Riri, the absolutely wince-inducing NoMore. The murky underwater scenes. The Queen's rant scene and then her drowning. The cheezy flying fish people.
Enough! And this went on for almost THREE HOURS? This wasn't a tribute to Boseman...it was a funeral pyre burning everything away that made the character and the city of Wakanda and it's culture interesting in the original movie.

Just...wow. What a complete one-eighty from the first movie. I may go back and try again but...probably not. This just reeked of too many people calling the shots with this movie and the result is just unwatchable. I'm left stunned at the thought that this made over a billion. How could something so bad make so much money? And then I remembered those vapid, pointless Transformers movies. Those made big bucks too. After seeing parts of this I totally get how the avalanche of Wakanda products just ended up rotting on the pegs and shelves. Who would want this?

I'll rewatch the first again sometime, knowing that it was the end for this character. In the movies anyway. Cheers to those that really enjoyed this. Really.
It's just proving that for me, Marvel movies are dead.

 

[Khev]

I'm left stunned at the thought that this made over a billion. How could something so bad make so much money?

It didn't. $842 million worldwide.

 

[jedibear]

Still too much.