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BREAKING NEWS!

More 'Terminator' on the way
In a move that puts three more installments of "Terminator" on a fast track, newly formed The Halcyon Company has bought out all rights to the cyborg franchise from C2 partners Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna for an undisclosed amount.


The entire Article From Variety

More 'Terminator' on the way
New ownership means another run
By MICHAEL FLEMING


There won't be a role for Arnold Schwarzenegger. James Cameron will not be the director.
But at least one new Terminator (the fourth) seems destined to hit screens now that its feuding fathers, Andy Vajna and Mario Kassar, have been bought out.

The cyborg saga belongs to the Halcyon Co., which has purchased all rights to the franchise from Kassar and Vajna for an undisclosed amount.

Halcyon, a privately funded company hatched recently by entrepreneurs Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson, acquired the right to produce "Terminator" films, future merchandising and licensing ventures.

The beachhead of the venture is "Terminator 4," which has a script by "T3" writers John Brancato and Michael Ferris. Moritz Borman, the former CEO of Intermedia Films and exec producer of "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines," will produce. Kubicek and Anderson will co-produce, and former PolyGram Films marketing president Peter D. Graves will be executive producer and oversee marketing of the picture.

Though no director or cast has yet been secured, "Terminator 4" is being earmarked for a summer 2009 release. No deals have been made for distribution or financing, but there are pre-existing negotiating positions for MGM and Japanese distributor Toho Towa, each of whom was involved in "T3," a film that grossed more $430 million worldwide.

"The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and successful franchise not owned by a major studio," Kubicek said. "We see this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future business plans."

The new backers see "T4" as an attempt to reinvent the franchise with new cast and plotlines, ploys that worked for Batman and James Bond, and is being attempted with "The Incredible Hulk," which has Edward Norton as its new star.

The "T4" script, which has been kept under tight wraps, picks up with John Connor in his 30s leading what's left of the human race against the machines. It is being seen as the start of a new trilogy.

"With 'T3,' we included many incidental details and plot points that, along with the main narrative, set the stage for an entirely new set of interrelated stories covering the future adventures of John Connor and the Terminators," Borman said. "This new Terminator trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan base."

Halcyon's Anderson was founder and creative director of the boutique marketing and ad agency In the Mix, which he sold in 2000. Kubicek comes out of finance, and also produced Halcyon's first film, "Cook-Off!," which screened at the HBO Aspen Comedy Festival.

Kassar and Vajna bought the rights to the "Terminator" franchise from the bankruptcy sale of Carolco assets. They made a later deal with Gale Anne Hurd, who owned many of the rights, and to whom Cameron signed over his rights, for $1, with the guarantee that he would not be replaced as director on the first film.

The "Terminator" franchise is already looking alive and well on the small screen.

Nothing's official yet, but Fox is said to be very impressed with "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," a Warner Bros. TV-produced hour based on "Terminator" characters and mythology. It could be ordered to series as early as this week, some believe.

The C2 partners get exec producer credits on the pilot, but people familiar with the project said they've essentially taken a passive role in the day-to-day production of the David Nutter-helmed pilot. It's possible that, with the C2 camp getting out of the "Terminator" business, their stake in the show will simply transfer to the new owners.
 
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So does this mean no more Sideshow or Hot Toys?

I have some Halcyon Aliens and Terminator model kits from the 90's.
 
Now if they can get Cameron...

The only story I'd like to see is John Connor, rebel hero, in the fight to send Reese to the past to save the future.

The two movies leading up to that will be like TPM and AOTC. Unnecessary.
 
I'm keeping an open mind on this one. Kyle said a lot in the Police Station in T1, I think there is quite a lot that can happen leading up to the Future Wars.

But redundancy could be a problem here... one war film is probably enough...
 
pjam said:
I'm keeping an open mind on this one. Kyle said a lot in the Police Station in T1, I think there is quite a lot that can happen leading up to the Future Wars.

But redundancy could be a problem here... one war film is probably enough...

If they go the SW Prequel and Matrix 2-3 route, then we're in trouble.

Personally, I think they need an entirely new cast -- no Arnold -- with perhaps a new actor to play Reese. Maybe Reese is a big target in the future so before they ship him to the past, they alter his face into Biehn as a disguise so he can get into their time machine.

:D
 
Wor-Gar said:
If they go the SW Prequel and Matrix 2-3 route, then we're in trouble.

Personally, I think they need an entirely new cast -- no Arnold -- with perhaps a new actor to play Reese. Maybe Reese is a big target in the future so before they ship him to the past, they alter his face into Biehn as a disguise so he can get into their time machine.

:D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIEHN IS REESE!!!!! Digitally de-age him. That'll work.
 
So the reason that C2 sold it cos Arnie wont be back anymore and theres no point for risking massive budget to make another terminator film?
 
Here's what I think they should do:

Digitally scan Arnold and contract to use his likeness as the Terminator. Arnold would receive royalties on his likeness. It would be aesthetically accurate to use a facsimile of Arnold as a Terminator mimicking humans. I'm telling you, THIS is the way of the future. Digital performances by actors long since gone or past their prime.
 
jungle jom said:
Screen Actors Guild will never sign off on it.

Ah, but we are entering a new era of digital copyright domain. Likeness falls under different clauses. Arnold would be ecstatic about having his likeness digitally preserved and licenced for digital entertainment which would provide him likeness royalties for films he hasn't even made. It's not much different than the likeness licensing that companies like Sideshow and Hot Toys have to iron-out legally between studios and actors. It's a new era of movie-making and they could churn out Terminator movies with Arnold ad infinitum!
 
dekadentdave said:
Here's what I think they should do:

Digitally scan Arnold and contract to use his likeness as the Terminator. Arnold would receive royalties on his likeness. It would be aesthetically accurate to use a facsimile of Arnold as a Terminator mimicking humans. I'm telling you, THIS is the way of the future. Digital performances by actors long since gone or past their prime.

I've had that thought in the past, but the trouble is, all you can duplicate is appearance, but the acting would be done by someone else with all the wire frame gear on and everything, you might see Arnold as the Terminator, or Biehn as Reese, but the performance wouldn't be what you've grown to love. It's the human quality that makes an actor good or not, not their appearance.
 
For Arnold yes, for Biehn, no. The REAL Michael Biehn will perform Reese but his face will be digitally touched-up... not much. Arnold is a machine so the CGI perfectly lends itself to his not-quite-human rendered performance.
 
There will be a time when this will be commonplace but I don't think we are there yet. This whole arena has SAG and its membership frightened. Why would we need new actors when we could resurect Sir Laurence, Grant, Hepburn and everyone from the past. No real actors no union dues.
 
Nick Stahl was great in Carnivale. I think he can definately carry the franchise.

I could see the next film as being the search for Kyle Reese, followed by a LOTR type two parter where the humans have to destroy the mainframe while at the same time Reese has to get to the time machine. I'd maybe throw in Reese being killed off at some point (end of the second one?) only to be replaced by someone else -- who is the new Reese. Or something. I dunno. Anyway, we'll see what they do.

For Arnold, I don't think you need him until the end of the last one. Maybe he could be talked into a cameo, maybe there's footage that would be usabe, maybe it can finessed.
 
jungle jom said:
There will be a time when this will be commonplace but I don't think we are there yet. This whole arena has SAG and its membership frightened. Why would we need new actors when we could resurect Sir Laurence, Grant, Hepburn and everyone from the past. No real actors no union dues.

I think that's blowing it out of proportion. I'm sure they can work something out. It's inevitable. Besides it will generate enough hype and publicity which is always good for business. It will happen, mark my words.
 
jungle jom said:
There will be a time when this will be commonplace but I don't think we are there yet. This whole arena has SAG and its membership frightened. Why would we need new actors when we could resurect Sir Laurence, Grant, Hepburn and everyone from the past. No real actors no union dues.

The problem is, all you could do is recreate actors of the past and maybe somehow use some computer tech to compile their performances and average it out to give a personality to the digital character, but bottom line, when an actor is dead, that's it, no computer can every truly bring them back, and I think it would truly objectify them and ruin their value in the world. Imagine Pacino becoming a digital character for use in every movie, the more he gets used digitally, the more people would forget that Al himself was a great actor.

Dave, I realize Biehn could act out himself now, I was making a comment in a more general sense of the future and the negatives of using a computer to put an actor into a film in which they gave no performance of any kind, it's one thing to use digital stuntmen, but the actor still gives performance to base the double on, but to use a double without the original, you don't have that performance to match with anymore.
 
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying... Michael Biehn is performing LIVE in-the-flesh. Just digitally touch up his face, we are talking about pixels here, not performance. It's STILL Michael Biehn performing, not a "digital stuntman."
 
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