BREAKING TERMINATOR NEWS!

[MaulFan]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying... Michael Biehn is performing LIVE in-the-flesh. Just digitally touch up his face, we are talking about pixels here, not performance. It's STILL Michael Biehn performing, not a "digital stuntman."

No I get what you're saying about Biehn, it was your comments about using Arnold's face that got me going on this, and I was just using Biehn as another actor for reference since he's relevant to the Terminator discussion. I think the best you could hope to get away with using Arnie's face in future films would be non-speaking Terminators such as the one that infiltrated the bunker in T1 and just shot up the joint. If it had to interact, it might look like Arnold but it wouldn't be him.

 

[gdb]

Just to be a realist, I don't think the audience Hollywood wants to come see these movies would pay to see either Beihn or even Arnold anymore. They won't be making these movies for fans of the old Terminator films. The Terminator brand is recognizable and they're going to use it appeal to a new audience, IMO. I predict that if Beihn is used at all it'll be in a cameo as Reese's dad or something.

 

[dekadentdave]

One thing that facinates me was how they were able to digitally recreate Oliver Reed's performace in Gladiator. Sure, it was a bit crude at the time and you can tell which shot wasn't real but I think for Arnold as a Terminator with minimal lines of dialougue which could be sampled would work perfectly and it lends itself to the useage of the technology.

 

[MaulFan]

I truly hope Terminator doesn't fall victim of today's Hollwood and become a mere concept for scoring masses to spend millions on a film. Granted there was for sure a certain consideration for how much money could be made off it, but Cameron set out to realize a vision, and we got T1, and while I'm sure some studio money making factored into the making of T2, you can also see Cameron wanted to further the story and continue to make his statements that are embedded in the first 2 films. You can use Stan Winston Endo's and Cameron character names all day long, but if you depart from the original concepts that made the first 2 films special, you lose it's value and all you're left with is robots shooting laser guns at roughneck soldiers in a skull spattered, ash filled wasteland.

 

[dekadentdave]

I truly hope Terminator doesn't fall victim of today's Hollwood and become a mere concept for scoring masses to spend millions on a film. Granted there was for sure a certain consideration for how much money could be made off it, but Cameron set out to realize a vision, and we got T1, and while I'm sure some studio money making factored into the making of T2, you can also see Cameron wanted to further the story and continue to make his statements that are embedded in the first 2 films. You can use Stan Winston Endo's and Cameron character names all day long, but if you depart from the original concepts that made the first 2 films special, you lose it's value and all you're left with is robots shooting laser guns at roughneck soldiers in a skull spattered, ash filled wasteland.

You just described everything that was wrong with T3.

 

[MaulFan]

You just described everything that was wrong with T3.

T3 was OK, but I did leave the theater with a sense that it was just a modern action film using the Terminator elements, but I also fear the future films will just be even further departures.

 

[dekadentdave]

Sad but true.

 

[MaulFan]

The only way for new Terminator films to not ruin the franchise name would be for Cameron to take the helm again and continue his story.

 

[pjam]

Just to be a realist, I don't think the audience Hollywood wants to come see these movies would pay to see either Beihn or even Arnold anymore. They won't be making these movies for fans of the old Terminator films. The Terminator brand is recognizable and they're going to use it appeal to a new audience, IMO. I predict that if Beihn is used at all it'll be in a cameo as Reese's dad or something.

Agree, time to move on, maybe in the last film we can see a digital Arnie but he wasn't part of the story until then. Remember Franco Columbo was the only Cyborg Terminator we saw in the future war.

Ths is about the rise of the Resistance and there can be many new characters to create. Many Kyles so to speak but I'm sure it will follow John Connor as the central figure...

 

[dekadentdave]

Agree, time to move on, maybe in the last film we can see a digital Arnie but he wasn't part of the story until then. Remember Franco Columbo was the only Cyborg Terminator we've seen in the future war besides the Endos.

I thought Columbo was a 600 series with rubber skin.

 

[jungle jom]

The only way for new Terminator films to not ruin the franchise name would be for Cameron to take the helm again and continue his story.

Did you see Titanic?

 

[MaulFan]

Did you see Titanic?

Not fully, and also irrelevant in my mind. Watching the Terminator behind the scenes interviews with him, I get the vibe that Terminator and Aliens are the stories the Cameron's mind can best create with, and I think if he were to take a stab at it again, he could make it work. I don't think if he had to think it up today it would have been as good, but it's his baby, it's been with him all the years since making it, it's like being a parent and having your child come home needing you after being away from years, you still no how to take care of your child, and I think he'd still know how to work the Terminator story.

 

[pjam]

I thought Columbo was a 600 series with rubber skin.

Only you would know that Bro.

 

[jungle jom]

Not fully, and also irrelevant in my mind. Watching the Terminator behind the scenes interviews with him, I get the vibe that Terminator and Aliens are the stories the Cameron's mind can best create with, and I think if he were to take a stab at it again, he could make it work. I don't think if he had to think it up today it would have been as good, but it's his baby, it's been with him all the years since making it, it's like being a parent and having your child come home needing you after being away from years, you still no how to take care of your child, and I think he'd still know how to work the Terminator story.

Sorry... I think he is done. A has been. Some great work in the past but, what has he done for me lately.

 

[dekadentdave]

Cameron is directing a 3-D sci-fi epic Avatar to be released next summer. He is filming it virtually with the CGI composited in-camera when he looks through the camera to align the shots with the actors entirely performing against a green screen.

 

[jungle jom]

Wow that is really ground breaking. A green screen you say?

 

[Anzik]

Hey if they can do it with Orville Redenbacher...

 

[dekadentdave]

They are shooting it in a warehouse and all the sets are virtually created. Cameron directs the actors through the camera as he will see the final FX fully composited.

 

[jungle jom]

You win Cameron is a genius.

 

[Darklord Dave]

The lead actress is virtual, so it is rather ground breaking.