Daredevil Born Again (Disney+) - March 4, 2025

[Shoo]

Keeping it totally spoiler-free:

Thanks for being considerate to others at this early stage.

 

[jye4ever]

CGI was a bit iffy. We’re just not at the point where we can put full CGI humans into a live action environment.The movements are just off, there’s no weight to them.

I wish I could turn that part of my brain off and just enjoy what I’m seeing, but I’m not built like that.

I have a friend that never notices weird CGI like that but it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I’m jealous in a way .

I dunno, I don’t need Daredevil to be doing CGI flips and jumps and swinging through the air. It’s not a comic book or cartoon, and he’s not Spider-Man.

Fair enough but just speaking for myself I grew up in the 70s and 80s all I had were comic books to show me their swings through New York City so my brain is wired to accept DD swinging like Spider-Man.

Obviously it needs to be executed perfectly, but this ain’t no $300 million Spider-Man movie so the execution is probably gonna be a few layers below that.

We’re talking as if they showed him nonstop swinging like Spider-Man and they absolutely did not. It was just really quick burst of movement that was obstructed by rooftops and water towers anyways so it’s not a dealbreaker for me, just yet.

Chill yo lol

 

[chrisstbh]

When you look at comic characters like Elektra, Daredevil, Spidey, The Hand, Black Cat ... they inhabit the city's rooftops like they're these fantastic creatures, moving effortlessly through another world. It does feel fluid and weightless but it doesn't translate well into live action.

Particularly the style of the Daredevil series. Here is a literally bone-crunching, brutal and grounded street combat show, but suddenly they want to take us to the rooftops comic-book style. It's jarring and dissonant. The visual language just breaks, never mind the poor execution. Theoretically the CG *could* sell it but they don't have the time or the budget to invest in that level of perfection.

In 1994 we saw Brandon Lee as The Crow bounding across rooftops and leaping over obstacles. That less flashy but no less dramatic approach was believable and would have worked for Daredevil, updated for 2025 with maybe some improved choreo and tricks. That wouldn't have taken us out of the show.

It's just difficult to say to myself "yeah this is the Netflix Daredevil returning". Sure it's the same actors, similar tone, dialogue etc. But Daredevil himself feels different thanks to the less than stellar CGI.

If you can't do the CGI well then don't do it at all. There are stunt people and parkour experts that could do this kind of thing with practical effects.

Fair enough but just speaking for myself I grew up in the 70s and 80s all I had were comic books to show me their swings through New York City so my brain is wired to accept DD swinging like Spider-Man.

Obviously it needs to be executed perfectly, but this ain’t no $300 million Spider-Man movie so the execution is probably gonna be a few layers below that.

That'd be fine but even the 300 million Spider-Man movie looked like dog **** most of the time.

We’re talking as if they showed him nonstop swinging like Spider-Man and they absolutely did not. It was just really quick burst of movement that was obstructed by rooftops and water towers anyways so it’s not a dealbreaker for me, just yet.

Chill yo lol

It's not a dealbreaker, but it's certainly jarring and docks a point from it.

 

[jye4ever]

I don’t think the Foggy actor came back just to be on screen that little I have a feeling we’re going to see him in flashbacks.

I mean, they did talk during the promotion of the series that he was back!

That was NOT being back by any definition lol

 

[ZE_501]

If you can't do the CGI well then don't do it at all. There are stunt people and parkour experts that could do this kind of thing with practical effects.

Those parkour lunatics on Instagram (some sponsored by Red Bull, others just crazy) make anything I've seen on Daredevil look weak by comparison

 

[chrisstbh]

On episode 2. It feels so out of character hearing Fisk call people “a guy” during his speech. Nitpicking but it feels wrong coming from someone of his cadence.

 

[chrisstbh]

If they just went with the same shade of red it'd be so much better.

 

[jye4ever]

We’re only 2 episodes in I’m not ready to write off this show just yet lol

 

[chrisstbh]

I'm surprised Disney had the balls to do the whole "dirty cops appropriating the Punisher logo" thing, especially since there were real life cops actually doing that.

 

[The Buffinator]

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If they just went with the same shade of red it'd be so much better.

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I disagree - dark red says Daredevil to me more than claret or burgundy.

 

[The Buffinator]

We’re only 2 episodes in I’m not ready to write off this show just yet lol

Well I should hope not lol.

 

[jye4ever]

I disagree - dark red says Daredevil to me more than claret or burgundy.

Thank the maker Chrisstbh doesn’t work at Ferrari lol

 

[jye4ever]

 

[jye4ever]

If Karen is not in this and Foggy doesn’t return in flashbacks this will quickly turn into a PR disaster for Marvel.

They literally announced to the world that the re-shoots were all about bringing those characters back!!!!

 

[crows]

We’re only 2 episodes in I’m not ready to write off this show just yet lol

Thank the maker Chrisstbh doesn’t work at Ferrari lol

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If Karen is not in this and Foggy doesn’t return in flashbacks this will quickly turn into a PR disaster for Marvel.

They literally announced to the world that the re-shoots were all about bringing those characters back!!!!

ok. now I'm starting to get worried, ok now I'm worried, jye you're worrying me...I'm worried bros .. not like this, not like this,

 

[Mondragon]

Seems like they replaced Karen and Foggy with almost their exact gender and role fliped analogues.
Instead of Foggy now Kirsten McDuffie an assistant attorney and Murdock's law partner.
And working street instead off Karen investigator, Cherry? retired cop who works with Murdock.
I mean I don't get it, you could almost swap their exact dialogue and character-ensemble dynamic, so why didn't they just use the two established characters from the go. Did they not want to pay them?

Other than to give Murdock the necasary angst to get back into the suit, which they could have pulled off anyway, with a near death.

And the exigent hallway fights that gave Netflix it's style, don't mesh at all with Disney's overwrought cartoonish CG.
While I love seeing DD swing across the rooftops, they need to real that in, and find a middle ground where they are believably the same character from one shot (style) to the next.

Though clearly they inherited much of this from Disney original rebrand disaster, otherwise it's all pretty fantastic. Love being back in this setting, the dynamic between Murdock, Fisk and NYC, And I love seeing the characters back.

Well except those who really aren't back (for now).

 

[Mondragon]

If Karen is not in this and Foggy doesn’t return in flashbacks this will quickly turn into a PR disaster for Marvel.

They literally announced to the world that the re-shoots were all about bringing those characters back!!!!

Well we saw Poindexter come back to life (granted he's got a new skeleton), but not how he ended up in custody.
So similarly we never saw Foggy carted off in a bag.
He may have had one last breath in him, and by the magic of editing flash-backs.
It may be revealed he's being hid away pretending to be dead, as some kind of witness protection.

I think they just have to navigate what they inherited from the crap Disney rebranding.
Then come out the other end, closer to the Netflix S4 series, everyone wanted.

 

[ZE_501]

Well we saw Poindexter come back to life, but not how he ended up in custody.
So similarly we never saw Foggy carted off in a bag.
He may have had one last breath in him, and by the magic of editing flash-backs.
It may be revealed he's being hid away in protecter custody.

Spoiler

I don't get how he survived that fall. I think Foggy's a dead mother****** because why would he be in protective custody with Bullseye locked up, serving consecutive life sentences? Besides, he was bleeding out with that chest wound a good long time, and I think Matt heard his heart stop.

 

[crows]

Seems like they replaced Karen and Foggy with almost their exact gender and role fliped analogues.
Instead of Foggy now Kirsten McDuffie an assistant attorney and Murdock's law partner.

but of course they did lol. can't have Karen of course.

Well we saw Poindexter come back to life (granted he's got a new skeleton), but not how he ended up in custody.
So similarly we never saw Foggy carted off in a bag.
He may have had one last breath in him, and by the magic of editing flash-backs.
It may be revealed he's being hid away pretending to be dead, as some kind of witness protection.

the foggy actor is not scheduled on imbd for any other episodes.

 

[chrisstbh]

Spoiler

I don't get how he survived that fall. I think Foggy's a dead mother****** because why would he be in protective custody with Bullseye locked up, serving consecutive life sentences? Besides, he was bleeding out with that chest wound a good long time, and I think Matt heard his heart stop.

He has bionic enhancements now. Gives him enhanced durability. He’s like Wolverine without a healing factor and claws.