Dune (2020) by Dennis Villeneuve

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So are they waiting again for the 2nd before they officially green-light the final?

I haven't been keeping up; last I heard this is now a three-part trilogy. Maybe that is how they plan to make their money back -- same low number of butts now paying three times.
 
So are they waiting again for the 2nd before they officially green-light the final?
I guess. When they properly announced DUNC 2: The DUNCening, they didn't say anything about a 3rd part. If it doesn't do well, I can see them capping it off with Paul as a brooding Emperor and leaving it at that. The overwhelmingly brutalist architecture isn't doing it any favours in the merch department, and such big films need that to keep going. If I'm a kid and want to immerse myself in a new world, DUNC isn't exactly pleasing. The YA audience is there, same way they were for Hunger Games and the black leather suits, but when you're doing a Space Opera, you need to go all the way. Regardless of any quality, big tentpole films need merch sales, and thus far the toys have not really sold, and there's really nothing out there. It's just sand, simple, angular designs, and dull colours. Ironically, the subpar comics written by Brian to advertise the movie have a whole lot more worldbuilding and flair in them.

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I've already said this, but I find Villeneuve's hard-on for brutalism and needless darkness in every shot to be ill-fitting for the property. When 50s CommieBlock Star Trek is more vibant and alive than a Feudal Space Opera, you have a problem.
 
I do think the Harkonnen's world should be big, baroque, pompous, colorful and gaudy -- a world of excess.

It seems like Denis wants it to be shadowy and dark.
 
I do think the Harkonnen's world should be big, baroque, pompous, colorful and gaudy -- a world of excess.

It seems like Denis wants it to be shadowy and dark.
Villenueve is doing his usual and oggling over his preferred aesthetic. That, coupled with nixing the core of the book to make it more accessible to a [current year] audience, just make for an ultimately dull film/series. I get what they're going for, and like I said before in the thread, I liked it enough, but it's still somewhat of a dissapointment to me. Regardless of my other problems, the lack of vibrant and intricate aesthetics in a big budget Space Opera, just doesn't sit right with me. And I firmly believe the lack of such colours is what's not translating to good merch and general IP visibillity.
 
So just watched it again ... actually enjoyed it more the second time, may have been too caught up in the stylistic details the first time -- not that I didn't like my first viewing but this one was less analytical. That being said I did notice a couple of things:

The pacing feels more like television than film in some ways ... I've said before this should have been an HBO series. I don't mind it but I can see where people may have issue.

On my first viewing I felt as if the Harkonnen attack on Arrakeen was a bit weightless and clinical; it didn't feel like a desperate fight. This nagging dissatisfaction remains, Villeneuve's style here was way too detached, but some of it makes a bit more sense now ... it looks as if Gurney and his men were racing towards their own gunships but pulled up short when they were destroyed; unable to prevent the troop landing they were left with hand-to-hand combat as their last resort.

I remember the Sardaukar being disguised as Harkonnen troops, but can't recall if that was only in Lynch's version or in the novel as well. At any rate, they were in plain sight here.

Liet letting her guard down while fleeing Sardaukar was a little too convenient. The character's death was different from the novel anyway, but I just find it illogical Kynes wouldn't be watching her back; not that it really mattered I suppose, since having caught up to her they would have killed her either way.

I was better able to accept Zendaya's performance as Chani this time for whatever reason.

Lady Jessica should not be an emotionless automaton, Bene Gesserit or not she broke the rules out of love for Duke Leto and is a deeply feeling woman, but she *does* spend a lot of time looking a touch histrionic in this film. Yet she's lethal and competent as she should be.

I still don't find it overly long.

Looking foward to part 2!
 
So just watched it again ... actually enjoyed it more the second time, may have been too caught up in the stylistic details the first time -- not that I didn't like my first viewing but this one was less analytical. That being said I did notice a couple of things:

The pacing feels more like television than film in some ways ... I've said before this should have been an HBO series. I don't mind it but I can see where people may have issue.

On my first viewing I felt as if the Harkonnen attack on Arrakeen was a bit weightless and clinical; it didn't feel like a desperate fight. This nagging dissatisfaction remains, Villeneuve's style here was way too detached, but some of it makes a bit more sense now ... it looks as if Gurney and his men were racing towards their own gunships but pulled up short when they were destroyed; unable to prevent the troop landing they were left with hand-to-hand combat as their last resort.

I remember the Sardaukar being disguised as Harkonnen troops, but can't recall if that was only in Lynch's version or in the novel as well. At any rate, they were in plain sight here.

Liet letting her guard down while fleeing Sardaukar was a little too convenient. The character's death was different from the novel anyway, but I just find it illogical Kynes wouldn't be watching her back; not that it really mattered I suppose, since having caught up to her they would have killed her either way.

I was better able to accept Zendaya's performance as Chani this time for whatever reason.

Lady Jessica should not be an emotionless automaton, Bene Gesserit or not she broke the rules out of love for Duke Leto and is a deeply feeling woman, but she *does* spend a lot of time looking a touch histrionic in this film. Yet she's lethal and competent as she should be.

I still don't find it overly long.

Looking foward to part 2!
The Sardaukar was in the book too, with them being recognised due to their fighting style.

Me I have a lot of problems with the flick, but I am waiting for P2 and will buy a Paul dolly. Maybe someone will make a great Dune adaptation in 2043...
 
All expected wins... if it wins three more, then maybe it will get the budget it needs.

Didn't they already chop the 2nd and final movie into 2 more parts?
 
All expected wins... if it wins three more, then maybe it will get the budget it needs.

Didn't they already chop the 2nd and final movie into 2 more parts?
Denis said that Part 2 will finish the first book and then if they do a third movie it will be Dune Messiah (the second novel) to close out Paul's story.
 
Did Will Smith just punch Chris Rock in the face on stage and then curse him out??
Holy crap, I had this playing in the background and just rewound the DVR after your post and he totally freaking did. I guess Jada has a hair loss condition and Will took great offense to Rock's GI Jane joke.
 
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