HBO's Game of Thrones

[karamazov80]

Well I think it's the story that Martin wants to tell. And part of that story includes shock, and has since day one. But for such an important character, I have to believe that the motivation was primarily telling a certain story in a certain way above all else. Either it's done so he can be revived, or done so that other characters can fill the gap he leaves, or done so that the story can pivot and really focus more heavily on others, or something else along those lines.

 

[Invictus Sol]

I bet some of these are funny, but I just can't support all the attention whoring by clicking!

Haha, yep, I'm the same. It's like they're putting their stupid reactions on par with the actual show. "Oh, I haz a surprize/sad/etc." STFU, attention whore!

Aw man...haven't been this gutted about a death since they killed off soap in call of duty modern warfare!

Any articles I've read seem to suggest he is 100% dead. Kit talking about when they wrapped his final scene, for example.

Seems such a waste to build him up so much. Honestly the red wedding is one thing, but this feels like too much, like they're doing it for just shock value, alright we get it, you kill off whoever you want. But this is just one too far I feel. It doesn't have the same shock, it just feels like 'wtf did they do that for'

Even if he is dead for good, I don't at all get that reaction (i.e., it doesn't come across to me that the sole point of such a death is shock value). I think a lot of people are missing the big picture when they get caught-up in specifics like Sansa's rape, Shireen's death or possibly Jon's. I wouldn't make any final judgements until the series has concluded. Having said that, I'm 99% certain Jon's coming back in both the books and series. For last night's finale to have any integrity, they have to say it's permanent, but I doubt it.

 

[Michael Crawford]

Yea, Jon's coming back. And Tyrion as the other Targarean? Just doesn't make any sense. No way Tywin would have put up with taking him in. Cersei hating him and blaming him for killing their mother, Jaime's actions toward him - yea, none of that makes any sense in the context that somehow he was adopted and is actually a Targaryan.

I'm thinking it's time to start watching again from the start.

 

[karamazov80]

Haha, yep, I'm the same. It's like they're putting their stupid reactions on par with the actual show. "oh, I haz a surprize/sad/etc." STFU, attention whore!

I have to admit though, that I wish I could have recorded my own reactions just so I could look back and laugh at myself.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Yea, Jon's coming back. And Tyrion as the other Targarean? Just doesn't make any sense. No way Tywin would have put up with taking him in. Cersei hating him and blaming him for killing their mother, Jaime's actions toward him - yea, none of that makes any sense in the context that somehow he was adopted and is actually a Targaryan.

I'm thinking it's time to start watching again from the start.

This video lays out the evidence for and against, he does come to the conclusion he is not Targaryen but it's still fascinating:

 

[Invictus Sol]

Thought these were funny.

That is great.

 

[Rock83]

Seems such a waste to build him up so much. Honestly the red wedding is one thing, but this feels like too much, like they're doing it for just shock value, alright we get it, you kill off whoever you want. But this is just one too far I feel. It doesn't have the same shock, it just feels like 'wtf did they do that for'

I agree 100%
Of the remaining characters,i was rooting for Stannis and Snow.So you can imagine how i felt

 

[Sidewinder]

We don't really know that the 3rd Targaryen is a character we've already met. Perhaps it's one of Rhaegar's children that survived the culling of the family and was raised by others?

I agree that Jon will be back, whether he is the same Jon we knew, that's another matter. The only way Jon could be discovered as a Targaryen would be if he is a able to ride one of the dragons. There most likely isn't anyone alive that knew the truth behind his parentage.

As for Cersei's walk, that was clearly another woman with Lena Heady's face super imposed onto the body. It was decently done, but there were a few times when you could tell it didn't actually look quite right. I don't really blame the actress though, that was a long scene and imagine how many takes it would have been just to film.

I really despise the Lannister's, so I'm not too sad to see their numbers falling with each passing season. We're basically just down to Cersei, Jaime and Tommen that remain at King's Landing. Tommen is a decent boy though, Jaime should try and find a way to get his last child out before he too is murdered for the Throne.


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[Xenoburger_]

We don't really know that the 3rd Targaryen is a character we've already met. Perhaps it's one of Rhaegar's children that survived the culling of the family and was raised by others?

I agree that Jon will be back, whether he is the same Jon we knew, that's another matter. The only way Jon could be discovered as a Targaryen would be if he is a able to ride one of the dragons. There most likely isn't anyone alive that knew the truth behind his parentage.

Right now that's what I'm thinking. Apparently that's alluded to in the books from what I've heard.

The whole Jon Snow as Rhaegar's son theory has become so popular that I actually think it won't be the case. Targaryen's can withstand fire, right? Jon burns his hand in the first season while saving Jeor Mormont from that zombified Night's Watch guy.

 

[Sidewinder]

I don't know if they can withstand fire, or Dany withstood it because she had the Dragon eggs with her at the time.

I haven't read the final 2 books so I don't know whether the 3rd Targaryen has been alluded to. If Rhaegar did have a son that survived, who was legitimate, he would have a higher claim to the Throne than Dany has. That would be very interesting.


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[wanderlai]

So if the series is caught up with the books, is Martin planning to release his next book soon? Seems odd if he doesn't. You'd have the series being ahead of the books.

 

[Xenoburger_]

In the first episode Daenerys walks in that steaming bath, later she picks up the dragon eggs after they've been resting in hot coals with no damage, then her handmaiden grabs them and has burn marks all over her hands, etc.

 

[wanderlai]

Maybe Jon's half Targaryen so he wouldn't get all the "perks" like Dani.

 

[BoosterGold06]

So if the series is caught up with the books, is Martin planning to release his next book soon? Seems odd if he doesn't. You'd have the series being ahead of the books.

His goal is to get the 6th book out before next season. Even if that happens (which I doubt), there's no way he'll get the 7th book out before the series ends so the show watchers will actually be able to spoil it for the book readers.

 

[Invictus Sol]

Tommen is a decent boy though, Jaime should try and find a way to get his last child out before he too is murdered for the Throne.

According to the prophecy revealed to Cercei at the beginning of this season, Tommen's already a dead man.

Targaryan's can withstand fire, right? Jon burns his hand in the first season while saving Jeor Mormont from that zombified Night's Watch guy.

Remember Dany's brother getting his golden crown? Not all of them are immune to heat. Dany's ability is related to something specific, even within the Targaryens. Pretty sure they explained it but forget the specific answer, at the moment.

Maybe Jon's half Targaryen so he wouldn't get all the "perks" like Dani.

Dany's brother... *coughs*

His goal is to get the 6th book out before next season. Even if that happens (which I doubt), there's no way he'll get the 7th book out before the series ends so the show watchers will actually be able to spoil it for the book readers.

Martin already said the show will have a different ending than the books.

 

[iron.jedi83]

In the first episode Daenerys walks in that steaming bath, later she picks up the dragon eggs after they've been resting in hot coals with no damage, then her handmaiden grabs them and has burn marks all over her hands, etc.

that doesnt matter. Danny's brother was a targaryan and he was killed with melted gold.

 

[Xenoburger_]

That's true. Now I remember daenerys having " Dragon's blood" or something. She and Viserys also referred to Rhaegar as " the last Dragon" I believe. It must be some genetic magical trait Targaryens can inherit

 

[wanderlai]

His goal is to get the 6th book out before next season. Even if that happens (which I doubt), there's no way he'll get the 7th book out before the series ends so the show watchers will actually be able to spoil it for the book readers.

Maybe they do a filler season of plots or stories not told. Kinda like Spartacus had to do when Andy Whitfield was battling cancer and ultimately died. That said John Hanna needs to be a GoT character.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Didn't see that coming

 

[Johnny Utah]

Spoiler

Kit Harington was spotted in Belfast yesterday, refused to take a pic with a fan, but the fan took one of him from a distance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/39t7ns/spoilers_all_kit_harington_hints_got_season_6_info/