Hereditary

[jye4ever]

I was frightened as all hell during that ending.

 

[Khev]

Okay does anyone want to break down exactly what happened after Peter woke up?

What I've gotten from reading spoilers is that:

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Annie had such a mental/emotional breakdown watching her husband get burned alive that Paimon possessed her. Peter wakes up, goes out and sees his mom standing in the dark who then proceeds to chase him in an attempt to kill him and sacrifice him to Paimon. He hides up in the attic and she climbs up the walls and onto the ceiling to try and get him.

Then at some point she decapitates herself with a piano wire??? Then Peter jumps out the window, lands in the flower bed, Paimon enters his body and then he rises and enters the treehouse (or whatever that place is called.) Inside he sees a bunch of naked cultists (including "Joannie" fully naked??? Triple gross, lol) who are all chanting while his headless parents bow before him and then the movie ends.

Is that pretty much it?

 

[jye4ever]

Yup pretty much it with some extra layers of nuances thrown in the mix.

Seriously this movie taught me that there isn’t anything more horrific than a maternal possession.

To be a defenseless child and having your own mother your protector your safe space turn against you is just all kinds of wrong lol

 

[Khev]

Yeah you said it. So what made Annie

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stop chasing him to cut off her own head, lol

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah you said it. So what made Annie

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stop chasing him to cut off her own head, lol

While i’m sure there are varying levels of interpretations I bet manipulation would be at the core of all of them and very sophisticated manipulation at that involving multiple stages with an eye towards a very specific end goal.

Everyone was a vessel with an on/off switch.

Even the seance to contact the daughter was a manipulation into opening a portal for Paimon.

Everyone was manipulated into the destruction of the family unit with obvious consequences that come with that at the spiritual level. Allows evil to gain strength in the world and weakens the resistance to that evil.

That’s not even scratching the surface of the male female dynamics at play in the presence of evil.

Who nurtured it.

Who resisted it.

Who was being controlled by it.

Who became the final host.

But she acted accordingly towards acheiving the end goal that her family tree had passed down which was the rise of evil within mental degradation which lead to family degradation which always leads to decapitated people being butt slammed by a demon.

 

[Khev]

I could see this movie permanently scarring some people. Honestly if I saw this as a child I could see myself being afraid of attics, the dark, dollhouses, sketchbooks, etc., *forever* lol. I wonder what the significance was of the demon needing to inhabit a body from the grandmother's bloodline. I wonder if the idea was since she was the cult leader that she might have used her own blood in some early ritual or sacrifice that linked Paimon to herself in a biological sense.

 

[ironwez20]

Yea this would def scar a lot of people. It’s a crazy ass movie

 

[jye4ever]

Yea this would def scar a lot of people. It’s a crazy ass movie

 

[jye4ever]

At first when I read the Exorcist comparisons I was like yeah yeah more marketing bs hype.


Let me tell you the intelligence of this movie is that it captured the horror of the Exorcist WITHOUT resorting to using demon makeup think about that for a second.


It’s actually MORE disturbing than the Conjuring Nun or IT Pennywise it blows them away WITHOUT monster makeup.


A true horror masterpiece.

Grace picked JW2 as one of her favorite movies of 2018 so far and said Hereditary is the worst of the year so far

crows can’t even defend her now I have free reign lol

 

[Asta]

I didn't find Hereditary particularly disturbing or scary, apart from

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Peter going to bed leaving his decapitated sister in the car, and her head at the roadside crawling with ants.

There was very little tension, genuine sense of fear or shocks beyond the one I mentioned.

I found the Conjuring series much more effective in the nerve jangling category - something completely lacking in Hereditary. Seems like a film that never gets going. Part of that is that there aren't any characters to really care about.

The Exorcist was another non-starter for me on seeing it after years of hearing how good it was. (Though I laughed out loud when the priest went out the window).

Hereditary has been compared to Rosemary's Baby, and that is a fine movie.

 

[JAWS]

Okay a few quick thoughts.

This is one of the best acted and directed horror movies ever. The dinner table scene where Annie explodes at Peter and Peter's silent reaction was as Oscar caliber as they come. A close second was Annie standing at the foot of Peter's bed giving her speech about how she tried to miscarriage. A+ work in front of and behind the camera from beginning to end. Well I *think* from beginning to end because here's the thing:

I didn't watch the ending. JAWS knows that at the end of the day as much as I enjoy the visceral experience of people facing overwhelming odds and terrors I do have a line that I never like to cross. I can't even put my finger on the exact line because for whatever reason The VVitch didn't cross it whereas a decidely non-demonic movie like "The Reef" did. I could see where Hereditary was going, saw that it was not going to have any kind of hopeful resolution and based on what happened to you know who on the side of the road I knew that it would pull no punches and would almost assuredly get worse.

There are certain images that I don't actually want in my head and I sensed that this movie was going there so I literally laid back, closed my eyes as soon as Peter woke up at the end and started looking for his mother, and simply listened to the entire finale. I briefly opened to see

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Anne apparently attached to the ceiling like Spider-Man, obviously possessed, and banging her head on the ceiling as Peter cowered above

and then I opened again to see

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Peter lying in the flower bed, get possessed by Paimon, and look up to see what I assumed was Annie's body floating up into the tree house.

After that I was done. I heard the

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"Heil Paimon, we reject the Trinity, bla bla bla"

but didn't watch it and only looked again as the credits began to play.

After coming home and reading the spoilers wow I'm glad that I did what I did. The finale sounded incredibly gruesome and obscene. Again, gruesome and obscene *for me.* I think for these types of films I just need even the faintest glimmer of hope, or like the case with The VVitch an acknowledgement of the forces of good even if the key players make a terrible choice and reject them. Hereditary played too much like the forces of Satan/evil were too powerful to be overcome.

Even The Exorcist had a "happy" ending of sorts (despite the erroneous theology that a Christian priest could be possessed, even for a second). Obviously that wasn't the case with this film. But like I said the drama and acting throughout were worth the price of admission and it was fun to hear the mostly full auditorium let out almost a unanimous "WTF???" at the end (even though I didn't initially know what they were WTFing about, lol.) People were laughing at how messed up the family drama was at times. One dude "clucked" a couple times and the girl sitting right next to me almost gave me a heart attack when she practically jumped out of her seat at the end of the "Nun" trailer at the beginning, lol.

Man I don't know if I am happy or sad that movies don't effect me like this

 

[Darkseed]

Man I don't know if I am happy or sad that movies don't effect me like this

Ageee...wife and I watched it yesterday with all the hype and found it average at best....

 

[jye4ever]

Ant-Man end credits thrust me right back into Herediatary while everyone was laughing and cheering during the Ant-Man credits I was sweating and having PTSD flashbacks of decapitated little girls.

Trust me you will immediately see what i’m talking about once the end credits kick in.

Hereditary where a decapitated little girl is celebrated think about that for a moment lol.

 

[Asta]

Ant-Man end credits thrust me right back into Herediatary while everyone was laughing and cheering during the Ant-Man credits I was sweating and having PTSD flashbacks of decapitated little girls.

Trust me you will immediately see what i’m talking about once the end credits kick in.

Hereditary where a decapitated little girl is celebrated think about that for a moment lol.

Behind the scenes of Ant-Man and the Wasp, a miniaturist is hard at work preparing the end credit sequence...

 

[jye4ever]

I thought exactly that you hit the nail on the head that is perfect.

Holy crap they wil forever be connected lol

 

[Asta]

I thought exactly that you hit the nail on the head that is perfect.

Holy crap they wil forever be connected lol

I thought the miniatures were among the best bits of Hereditary, such as the sequence at the beginning where Gabriel Byrne walks seamlessly between the real world and miniature one.

 

[JAWS]

Ageee...wife and I watched it yesterday with all the hype and found it average at best....類

Dont get me wrong.. I loved the film.. But no movie has really gotten under my skin since I was a teen and watched the Exorcist. Even that film, while still great, no longer has the effect...

I can be in suspence watching a film but never "Close my eyes" uncomfortable

Actually last time I hid my eyes was when I was a fid watching the original release of Creepshow in the theaters. The story "The Crate" had me hiding my head in my shirt whenever the next victem got close to the crate... Funny thing.. My two boys did the same thing when I showed them that movie and they never do that either... Good job George A Romero

 

[jye4ever]

I thought the miniatures were among the best bits of Hereditary, such as the sequence at the beginning where Gabriel Byrne walks seamlessly between the real world and miniature one.

Yeah great stuff.

But now i’m seeing Hereditary everywhere!

 

[jye4ever]

MJ would’ve made a great Charlie

 

[Asta]

Yeah great stuff.

But now i’m seeing Hereditary everywhere!

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I've been thinking about the films that gave me nightmares as a kid, and three came to mind: Death Ship, Day of the Dead and The Thing.

The legacy of Death Ship must've stayed with me because Ghost Ship always creeps me out. I already mentioned the Conjuring series. Silent Hill is another one - and that was only a 15 certificate (even though it had that skinning scene - there again Temple of Doom had those flapping, flayed human skins in it!)