Hot Toys - MMS 189 - SSC Ex The Avengers: Agent Phil Coulson (Specs and Pics)

[JungleFritz]

The article mentioned "Life Model Decoys anyone?" which would be kinda messed up if Stark made an android version of Coulson.

The line about LMDs is just fanwank. The writer has no more of an inside scoop, and no more insight into what Whedon and Marvel are planning re Coulson, than does any other fan. The arguments in the comments sections on the various boards are all academic, and won't be confirmed one way or the other for months, at best.

But yeah, it'd be rotten of them to make Coulson an LMD. I'd prefer him back as, you know, Coulson... I think there are enough LMDs running around the Marvel Universe already.

 

[JungleFritz]

Wouldn't it suck if all of Coulson's scenes were just a pre-recorded trainee video for new agents, which they play at the start of each episode?!

" Welcome to SHIELD, recruit. I'm Agent Coulson, I'll be your tour guide as you begin this fabulous journey into worldwide and galactic security enforcement. And remember, if you ever want to speak to me in my office, you better bring a box of donuts. "

I don't see how Clark Gregg could be headlining the show as a video recording. "Headlining" sort of implies interaction with the other characters... I could see it as an LMD. It's not what I prefer, but I don't every time get what I want

 

[Username]

I see it going down like this:

Coulson walks in to brief the new recruits.

One of the recruits in back sees Coulson and says to another guy: "I thought he was dead?" and the other guy says: "Yeah. That was just a rumour..."

That's all that i would need to explain it.

 

[dedguy]

Hah, that works for me.

 

[DGTWoodward]

I see it going down like this:

Coulson walks in to brief the new recruits.

One of the recruits in back sees Coulson and says to another guy: "I thought he was dead?" and the other guy says: "Yeah. That was just a rumour..."

That's all that i would need to explain it.

You could be right.

Or he could just step out of a shower.

 

[JungleFritz]

You could be right.

Or he could just step out of a shower.

Heh, I'm ALL for him stepping out of a shower!

I have this intro scene in my head:

INT. BATHROOM

A man, face out-of-shot or indistinguishable in the fogged mirror, preps for his day. Flash cuts focusing on hands, then camera lingers on mirrored image of his chest, with a large vertical scar on the left and a matching scar over the left shoulderblade in out-of-focus fg. Man dons shirt, ties necktie, then swipes a towel over the mirror, wiping away the condensation and revealing Agent Phil Coulson.

(cue swooning fangirls :’)

FADE TO TITLE

 

[Ramatuelle]

But, his death not being real kind of destroys the drama of what happens in Avengers, and it cheapens it. TBH if someone tried this tactic on me, I'd be pretty ticked. Perhaps real Avengers would be able to rise above it.... but judging from their behavior, not likely.

Which is why morphing him into the Vision would make a lot more sense. That way, deception does not play a role in what happened.

 

[Username]

But, his death not being real kind of destroys the drama of what happens in Avengers, and it cheapens it. TBH if someone tried this tactic on me, I'd be pretty ticked. Perhaps real Avengers would be able to rise above it.... but judging from their behavior, not likely.

Which is why morphing him into the Vision would make a lot more sense. That way, deception does not play a role in what happened.

They needed the push

After the push, they all realised that they *were* the team Fury hoped they could be.
And i reckon they would all be cool with the deception.
That doesn't need to be handled in the Shield Show.
They could handle that scene in The Avengers 2.

Phil!!! You're alive! I thought you were dead!?!?!?!?!

But aren't you glad i'm not?

Well, yeah...

Then let's move on...

 

[JungleFritz]

But, his death not being real kind of destroys the drama of what happens in Avengers, and it cheapens it. TBH if someone tried this tactic on me, I'd be pretty ticked. Perhaps real Avengers would be able to rise above it.... but judging from their behavior, not likely.

Which is why morphing him into the Vision would make a lot more sense. That way, deception does not play a role in what happened.

Actually, Coulson surviving doesn't destroy any of the drama in the Avengers. The events of The Avengers stand. The only way to cheapen that scene is if the "Coulson" that died was an LMD - in that case, the whole scene is merely being played out for the benefit of the audience. But if Coulson went to face Loki knowing he was out of his depth, and he and Fury really thought he was a goner...

IF Fury lied about Coulson's death (as he did with the Captain America trading cards), that would add a lot of tension to the relationship between S.H.I.E.L.D. (or at least Nick Fury) and the Avengers, practically without having to work to build it in the Avengers 2 script.
I look at the Phase 1 films as a sort of serialized drama, with each new one building on all the previous ones to some degree and culminating in The Avengers itself... but I would be extremely surprised if Marvel wasn't going to use plot points, relationships and tensions from Phase 1 as it moves into Phase 2. And conflict/tension is a good thing from a storytelling standpoint.

Vision - well, I hope my favorite new Marvel character in *ages* doesn't morph into one of my not-so-favorite old Marvel characters. But that's JMO

Now, I gotta go do some work!

 

[Ramatuelle]

But if he lied about the trading cards, and he lied about the death.... what else is he lying about?! I could not trust someone like that, and I think a lot of people would have the same problem.

Thats just me though.

 

[dedguy]

I used to think it would cheapen the death… but I've kinda warmed up to the idea. I like Fury as a manipulative d-bag so him lying to the Avengers to get them to do the job is kind of appealing.

On the "trusting Fury" thing… I think that's kind of the whole point. He's not supposed to be trustworthy. They hit on that a few times in Avengers even if he didn't lie about Coulson. I think this exchange from Avengers pretty much sums up how we're meant to feel about Fury.

Steve Rogers: How can you not trust Fury?
Tony Stark: He's a spy, he's THE spy. His secrets have secrets.

 

[JungleFritz]

But if he lied about the trading cards, and he lied about the death.... what else is he lying about?! I could not trust someone like that, and I think a lot of people would have the same problem.

Thats just me though.

That's my point about tension/conflict. Conflict drives stories, and mistrust is a kind of conflict. We already know there's going to be conflict with whoever ends up being the villain in Avengers 2, but adding tensions between the *good* guys will make the question of whether they'll win less of a foregone conclusion.

Besides, we know from the comics that Nick Fury isn't Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. forever - at one point or another, both Tony Stark and Maria Hill have that position. Maybe the level of mistrust caused by Fury's little push would eventually precipitate that change. (Not that I'm eager for Sam Jackson to go! He's so much fun to watch as Fury.)

 

[Username]

But if he lied about the trading cards, and he lied about the death.... what else is he lying about?! I could not trust someone like that, and I think a lot of people would have the same problem.

Thats just me though.

You'd have to go a long way to find someone who has never told a lie.
Even a little one.
We do it every day.
Haven't you been confronted by someone you love asking if you liked something they had done, and lied and said you loved it?
Like if someone(Who would take it really badly), making you a meal and it was horrible, and you told them you thought it was good?
I know Nick Fury's lies seem bad, but it's that kind of thing that keeps the story going.
These things happen in real life, and it makes for good drama when they add them in movies and tv shows. How often have you watched a movie where a character makes a *big* mistake and you can't help but think *that's going to come back and bite you in your a55...*
It's good drama.
If Coulson *didn't* die at Loki's hand, it just increases the chances of no-one believing a word Fury says.
And *that* is also a good setup for drama in the next movie.

 

[Ramatuelle]

People everywhere lying occasionally IRL does not justify some guy who does nothing but lie to his team, all day every day. Which is pretty much what Fury does. Superiors at work lie all the time, but this does not engender respect within me, nor does it generate trust. "We have no idea what's really going on with upper management! Honest!!" Lies. Luckily our actual survival is not involved.

This is just my take, mind you. I would find this intolerable IRL as a member of a paranormal team, since it would be my life this guy is playing with - however this IS a film, and there are many others who seem fine with this tactic. So I'll let the matter rest here.

 

[dedguy]

but the Avengers aren't his team. They kinda make a point of that at the end of the movie as well, and as far as SHIELD goes I'm sure they all expect their superiors to speak to them in lies and half truths. Not unlike real-life organizations like the CIA or FBI.

 

[Username]

This is just my take, mind you. I would find this intolerable IRL as a member of a paranormal team, since it would be my life this guy is playing with - however this IS a film, and there are many others who seem fine with this tactic. So I'll let the matter rest here.

For sure.
No-one here is trying to upset your sensibilities.
Just a discussion on how they might bring Coulson back.
It's a given that fury lies. Perhaps even the whole point is not wondering when he is telling lies, but instead, trying to ascertain when he is telling the truth...

 

[Dollmanron]

Why should the Marvel movies be any different than the Marvel Comics, when they want to bring someone they've killed off back, they just make up some back story to explain it away and the characters back.

I for one liked Agent Coulson and would like to have him in the marvel movies (in which ever one it would be) again, I thought he was a great character.

I have the figure pre-ordered and can’t wait to stand him next to Fury.

 

[Viking Spawn]

I see it going down like this:

Coulson walks in to brief the new recruits.

One of the recruits in back sees Coulson and says to another guy: "I thought he was dead?" and the other guy says: "Yeah. That was just a rumour..."

That's all that i would need to explain it.

I'd be okay with that.... It also has some subtle humor about it as well.

But if he lied about the trading cards, and he lied about the death.... what else is he lying about?! I could not trust someone like that, and I think a lot of people would have the same problem.

Thats just me though.

Even his secrets have secrets.

 

[DGTWoodward]

I'd be okay with that.... It also has some subtle humor about it as well.



Even his secrets have secrets.

When Nick Fury has a secret, he doesn't even talk to himself about them. (True!)

 

[astro666]

I say bring Coulson back as Wonder Man, I know he's not Simon Williams but whatever. Or if it was a Life Model Decoy that got skewered by Loki, then IT should come back as Vision.