Not the greatest examples, but it’s like the Hot Toys BOBF based Cad Bane + Todo. We never see Todo in BOBF but Hot Toys included Todo in the set. Doesn’t make the Cad Bane figure itself inaccurate.
InArt - Dune: Paul Atreides
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Exactly. His/her contention is that doing an OPTIONAL accessory pack that includes a part 2 Paul headsculpt, brown robes, water of life, etc. is a no-no and is a point against Inart's claim or goal of accuracy. Meanwhile, these part 2 accessories included are ok or seems to be given a pass.
Yeah, you can leave it in the box. It still makes the whole package and advertising inaccurate by your measure which Inart shouldn't be doing. At the same time, you can opt not to buy that accessory pack if it ever materializes and let those that want it, do whatever they want.
Bleah, these are different scenarios.
I want a Part 2 Paul (ideally). Why the heck should I be content with an inaccurate Part 2 Paul?
That accessory pack still doesn’t make for an accurate Part 2 Paul. Simple as that. We’re seriously going to be satisfied with that?
The only thing that is missing if inart sells a part 2 accessory with a headsculpt, robe, or whatever, is dirt. Maybe inart should include a bottle of sand with spice as well. Lol!
Joking aside, you are free to keep it as a part 1 only. Nobody is stopping you. Nobody is getting upset about it. You shouldn't be likewise if they want it the other way. It's not a big inaccurate detail with a dirty stillsuit or a clean stillsuit. For me, I'm not much into the weathered look for figures. A clean stillsuit with all other part 2 details correct works for me and others as it would seem. They will most likely weather/dirty the suit themselves.
Idk why we’re content with an incomplete product.
If they were to create a new Part 2 specific head sculpt, that’d be great. But by that point, might as well just do the weathering on the Still Suit and offer a completely separate figure. The head-sculpt is where the most R&D and cost goes into. Idk why we’re simply not asking for a separate/clean release….?
New P2 headsculpt + P2 specific accessories pack + current clean Still Suit = still not an accurate P2 Paul.
Is that seriously our biggest hang up? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Losing my marbles over here as to why we’re simply not asking for a complete accurate P2 Paul release.
And the main reason why I’m hung up over this is because if INART were to start to give into these demands/requests from the consumer base, it can get 𝘥𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘴. IMO. Them bending to our will when those demands/requests aren’t even being based on source material/accuracy. Like I’m sorry but come on.. I’m not getting “upset” about what we collectors do with our toys, I couldn’t care less if you display yours inaccurately. It’s just more than that…
I know what you’ll respond with, Bleah.
I get we all want this accessory pack to be sold separately but that’ll be hella expensive. I mean asking for a new P2 specific headsculpt? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t INART at that point just offer a complete separate release?
I also was under the impression that they care for screen accuracy and I’m having a hard time accepting that they’d be okay with their consumers having an inaccurate P2 Paul. Essentially, a kit-bashed figure.
Not only that and more importantly, wouldn’t this involve licensing approvals?
I get we all want this accessory pack to be sold separately but that’ll be hella expensive. I mean asking for a new P2 specific headsculpt? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t INART at that point just offer a complete separate release?
I also was under the impression that they care for screen accuracy and I’m having a hard time accepting that they’d be okay with their consumers having an inaccurate P2 Paul. Essentially, a kit-bashed figure.
Not only that and more importantly, wouldn’t this involve licensing approvals?
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Just dump the still suit in a sand box for a few hot summer days for that part 2 accuracy when you get this bad boy.
@hyperaccuracydrive All companies aim for accuracy but they all fall short depending what matters to you or what you're looking for. Some do really come out inaccurate, no debate.
Inart's Jokor is accurate to me but the experts would say otherwise starting with the coat details, shirt details, etc. Gandalf doesn't have that inscription on his clothing. From my understanding, there's a lot of back and forth in the approval process with WB and even with that, it seems like more of a process with WB rather than scrutinizing the details.
Yes, there's also the money part. Accessories will be cheaper than another full set. Inart prices are quite high for a lot so buying 2 would be out of the question. Also, there really isn't any guarantee that Inart will be making more dune figures.
I really think you shouldn't be so hung up on it. My perspective and others, from my assumption, is that a dirty look is the only thing separating a complete Dune 2 look if the accessory/headsculpt pack happens.
I'll mix in some cinnamon. That's my choice of "spice" for that Dune 2 dirty/spicy look.
Inart's Jokor is accurate to me but the experts would say otherwise starting with the coat details, shirt details, etc. Gandalf doesn't have that inscription on his clothing. From my understanding, there's a lot of back and forth in the approval process with WB and even with that, it seems like more of a process with WB rather than scrutinizing the details.
Yes, there's also the money part. Accessories will be cheaper than another full set. Inart prices are quite high for a lot so buying 2 would be out of the question. Also, there really isn't any guarantee that Inart will be making more dune figures.
I really think you shouldn't be so hung up on it. My perspective and others, from my assumption, is that a dirty look is the only thing separating a complete Dune 2 look if the accessory/headsculpt pack happens.
I'll mix in some cinnamon. That's my choice of "spice" for that Dune 2 dirty/spicy look.
It’s more about the collective wanting INART to produce something that’s objectively inaccurate. That’s disappointing to me if that’s what we get for a Dune 2 look. I myself want a Part 2 Paul rather than Part 1…….
And you didn’t even acknowledge how expensive a P2 Paul head-sculpt would be. Like I said, at that point, shouldn’t they just go all the way…? I don’t think it’s as financially viable as everyone is making it seem.
Gandalf didn’t have inscription on his pants based on reference images. And even fellow Collector Freak users came to that conclusion as well. All based on hearsay based on people who have presumably seen the actual suit on set per articles I read written in 2008. That whole #missingpantsprints Pantsgate debacle was just baloney spearheaded by a YouTuber basing his entire gripe with INART on that same hearsay. Ledger Joker isn’t accurate as it could be, but nothing ever is when certain details or whatnot can’t be replicated in 1/6. Also, Joker’s production run was during the days when INART wasn’t widely known/accepted. There weren’t people offering constructive feedback like there are now. Quite frankly, I fail to see how that’s relevant to this Paul figure as it’s different, it’s certainly achievable to make an accurate Part 2 Paul. These companies aim for accuracy like you mentioned, but why are we supporting the idea of an intentional inaccurate thing?
I saw this coming. Ideally, this should’ve been Part 2 Paul.
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Still cheaper than a full set with a bigger box. More people would likely buy the accessories rather than another full figure.
We're not really gonna see eye to eye on this so there's no point going back and forth. But I know, hopefully along with others, we'll enjoy this release when we get our hands on it. Until then, you do your own sandwalk and I will do mine.
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I get what you're saying but I also see the other side of it where people are being content with part 1 version + adding on the blue eyes and his cloak. Although for some reason it does seem like people don't care as much with this than if it was another character.
Given if this was Hot Toys and they gave a half assed in-between mix matched figure that made no sense, people would 100% be bitching that they should have done it properly. I think the mindset, at least to me, is that most are already happy with how this figure looks. Most have already have POd it as well. Now do those same folks want to spend another $500 for a Part 2 version or is getting the eyes and some accessories enough? I'm guessing most are okay with the latter here. I do get your want for it being a complete accurate version though.
@Bleah
You talk as if this is a sure-fire thing that they’ll offer this accessory pack as how you’ve described. All they said is that “they’ll look for ways they can improve the figure even more.” IMO, they won’t a find a way unless they want to sacrifice and forego accuracy.
I just hope INART does what they think is best and doesn’t appease to consumers that simply don’t care for accuracy. So far, INART hasn’t shown me otherwise.
And ideally, either “release another version to restore the character’s appearance in Dune Part 2” (their words, not mine) OR make a separate release for a Part 2 Paul and offer solutions to everyone as best as possible.
You talk as if this is a sure-fire thing that they’ll offer this accessory pack as how you’ve described. All they said is that “they’ll look for ways they can improve the figure even more.” IMO, they won’t a find a way unless they want to sacrifice and forego accuracy.
I just hope INART does what they think is best and doesn’t appease to consumers that simply don’t care for accuracy. So far, INART hasn’t shown me otherwise.
And ideally, either “release another version to restore the character’s appearance in Dune Part 2” (their words, not mine) OR make a separate release for a Part 2 Paul and offer solutions to everyone as best as possible.
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Throw black robes in with the blue eyes sculpt and it’s still accurate to part 1.
Oh don’t get me wrong, Holo, I completely see the other side and I understand where they’re coming from. But what is unfair imo, is the disregard for accuracy. Like you said, it might be because it’s this character and because INART themselves have essentially given the collective hope. Casting doubt on them and leading to them saying it was an “issue” not including the blue eyes. Objectively speaking, it wasn’t. Before this went up for PO, I anticipated this happening.
Most are happy to an extent. But I’d wager most want Part 2 Paul. I myself want that. It’s the definitive iteration from the more palatable film for the 1/6 community. I hardly ever saw anyone asking for Dune Part 1 figures but all of a sudden everyone wants the entire line based off their viewing of Part 2? Hey the film was awesome, planning to rewatch in IMAX again but Part 1 was also amazing too. Ideally, I think if we put it to a vote, most would vote for Part 2 Paul. It literally makes more sense as well.
But we’re here now where this INART release coincided with the Dune 2 cinema release and since the suit is largely “the same”, no one cares if it’s not as accurate as it should be.
It’s definitely a predicament.
All I'll add to this discussion is that there's been plenty of conversation about whether InArt should/will do more Dune characters, and the general consensus seems to be no, they should prioritize getting more licenses and continuing to do awesome one-off releases.
If that's the case, why would we ask for a second Paul Atreides release? It seems completely contrary to the above idea. We should expect this to be the lone InArt Paul figure. And if that's the case, then yes, I would rather myself and every other interested collector have the option to display it how we like.
It's easy to say, "I want a completely accurate Part Two Paul, so that should be its own figure." It's just not a very realistic goal, given how InArt has operated.
If that's the case, why would we ask for a second Paul Atreides release? It seems completely contrary to the above idea. We should expect this to be the lone InArt Paul figure. And if that's the case, then yes, I would rather myself and every other interested collector have the option to display it how we like.
It's easy to say, "I want a completely accurate Part Two Paul, so that should be its own figure." It's just not a very realistic goal, given how InArt has operated.
Simply put, they’d need to release a separate figure for a completely accurate Part 2 Paul. You won’t have an accurate P2 Paul if they just do add ons. You don’t care for that? Even if you don’t, you can’t see why that’s wrong?
Again, am I really the only one taking these crazy pills?
That’s why I’ve been saying this should’ve been Part 2, given how they operate and their limited slots. The only correct solution is to scrap this one and “restore” it to a Part 2 version or straight up offer a Part 2 version. The unit numbers would kinda cancel each other out (smaller run for both Part 1 and Part 2 Pauls each) as people would end up cancelling their current orders in favor of the Part 2 version and INART should be ready or have a plan to deal with that. No idea how they didn’t see this coming. That people would obviously want Paul with the Eyes of Ibad. I myself am like that, but by no means would I want that if it means sacrificing accuracy. Not from INART. If this was Hot Toys pulling this, that’d be a different story, I wouldn’t care as much. But with INART? Come on guys. We should encourage them to be at their best…..
Again, am I really the only one taking these crazy pills?
That’s why I’ve been saying this should’ve been Part 2, given how they operate and their limited slots. The only correct solution is to scrap this one and “restore” it to a Part 2 version or straight up offer a Part 2 version. The unit numbers would kinda cancel each other out (smaller run for both Part 1 and Part 2 Pauls each) as people would end up cancelling their current orders in favor of the Part 2 version and INART should be ready or have a plan to deal with that. No idea how they didn’t see this coming. That people would obviously want Paul with the Eyes of Ibad. I myself am like that, but by no means would I want that if it means sacrificing accuracy. Not from INART. If this was Hot Toys pulling this, that’d be a different story, I wouldn’t care as much. But with INART? Come on guys. We should encourage them to be at their best…..
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It's not going to be accurate regardless, my man. For one thing, they have that weird button on the crotch that I hope will be fixed for the final release...
Here's the good news: you are getting as close to accurate a Part One Paul as you could possibly hope for! Nothing they do about Part Two accessories is going to change that, and nobody can force you to display it a certain way. So why are you getting so offended and acting like this is a moral question?
People want a definitive InArt Paul. This is likely the only InArt Paul we'll ever get. So people are asking for more accessories to have more options. It's not difficult calculus to follow.
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