Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

[jye4ever]

You do realize that a lot of the “wokeness” happened under Iger right? Chapek was only in charge for a couple years.

True true.

No one is perfect lol

 

[Khev]

Iger said they need to get back to basics so the reshoots will show Indy tossing the whip over his shoulder, then dying, then Iger will declare that people are experiencing Indy fatigue and will immediately greenlight two seasons of "Sallah" on Disney+ by Tony Gilroy.

 

[Wor-Gar]

"Sallah" on Disney+ by Tony Gilroy.

This could be big. Even with skinny Sallah.

 

[Otomofan]

Sallah's too big a character.

You need a character with as little impact or importance overall that Andor had, so a series about the Cairo Monkeyman would be appropriate.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The Adventures of Ratty Nepalese.

 

[Raiders March]

JJ Abrams thought that he could have his version of "The Devil Wears Prada" with Harrison Ford and Rachel McAdams.

The main problem of course is that Meryl Streep is good at acting and Ford is good at being a passable "movie star"

My viewpoint is Ford hasn't "carried" a film on his own star power, removing real franchises that are almost guaranteed to carry legacy fans and big box office numbers, since Air Force One in the late 90s.

Tom Cruise has remained A List for so long because he's a big movie star comfortable with being a big movie star. He's not trying to be Daniel Day Lewis. He's not trying to star in the next Gone With The Wind. Air Force One is a film built as a vehicle for a "movie star" Just about any movie star could have played it.

K19? Hollywood Homicide? Firewall? Crossing Over? Extraordinary Measures?

Ford isn't the only one. Bruce Willis, Will Smith, Sly Stallone and others have gone down this path. Resentful that they weren't generally respected as pure acting talents, and picking bad roles to try to prove everyone wrong.

I want a good Indy film for the fans who love the IP and the franchise. I want him to do more for those fans, including the fans here, than he did for his last Star Wars appearance, where he truly and deeply mailed it in, letting his resentment bubble over everything. But after that, I'd be OK with him disappearing.

I want this final Indy film to be something that respects and honors the loyalty of the true and hard core fans here. I don't want Ford to mail it in again because he's angry about how little the Indy character and story means to him besides a paycheck, I'd like him to put out the effort to honor what the Indy legacy means to countless fans out there. I can abide a bad actor, I can't abide the selfishness. In my book, it's like stealing from all of you here.

I actually believe he cares about the character of Indiana Jones. He has had input about possible scripts since ‘crystal‘ came out, and had some form of power to reject a storyline that didn’t fit the mold. Han Solo, on the other hand, he was wanting to kill off as far back as ROTJ. He actually suggested it if I remember right. And he got his wish in the ST

 

[Mandible]

Not sure if people have forgotten that this film's release was delayed a full YEAR without any reasonable reason given. Whatever is happening behind the scenes can't be good for them to do that.

I literally can't ever remember a film that was delayed that long (pandemic affected titles aside; ie A Quiet Place 2, etc).

It ain't like TGM that was 100% finished, and was only delayed because they knew they had a winner on their hands and wanted to wait until the pandemic had cleared.

Couple all that, with KK's lunacy, the absence of Spielberg and Lucas (even though KOTCS was ass), and there's just too many red flags for me to have any hope.

I genuinely wish they'd pull some wizardry out of their ***** and deliver a great film... but all signs says otherwise.

 

[Mandible]

Another thing - "pick-ups". That's what you primarily go back to do afterwards. Fill in the gaps in the edit to make things flow better and add to the overall quality of the story/film.

This ******** term "re-shoots" is only something that has come to be in the decade or so. That's because people wrote solid scripts back in the day. They were vetted by professionals that understood good structure and quality storytelling.

Now, it's a bunch of bean counters that have zero clues about scripts and green light a film on the "equation" they need to make it work; actors, pre-sales, etc. That's why we have such a glut of endless ****.

If the script for Indy 5 was solid from the very beginning, there isn't a chance in hell the words "re-shoot the ending" would even exist.

Just go watch the making of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Check out the pick-ups (or in 2022 Hollyweird - "re-shoots"), then you'll see real filmmaking.

**** off "re-shoots."

 

[xipotec]

It’s simple if the movie is going to force agendas then it’s impossible to be good.

I don’t care which side of an agenda but if it’s there it’s not going to be good no matter what because that drives the story.

Here we go again……

 

[Khev]

I know I'm late to the party with regard to the trailer but I just watched it and man, I can't believe they're still doing that stupid single note piano key thing as if they're stirring the deepest emotions in our souls a full seven years after TFA did the same thing. As for the footage itself it all looked very KOTCS-ish.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I know I'm late to the party with regard to the trailer but I just watched it and man, I can't believe they're still doing that stupid single note piano key thing as if they're stirring the deepest emotions in our souls a full seven years after TFA did the same thing. As for the footage itself it all looked very KOTCS-ish.

It's all true... all of it.

 

[Otomofan]

Hollywood is so devoid of even an ounce of creativity that all of the trailers have exactly the same structure and beats. It's all so tiring, isn't it?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Been that way for awhile. I remember in the 90's almost every action movie used the ALIENS music from the ending (escape the explosion cue).

 

[Khev]

Been that way for awhile. I remember in the 90's almost every action movie used the ALIENS music from the ending (escape the explosion cue).

Ha ha, yes I remember "Bishop's Countdown" closing out every other trailer in the 90's for a while too (Volcano immediately comes to mind.) Which is funny because Bishop's Countdown itself was just a tweaked version of the final moments of Luke flying away from the Death Star at the end of ANH which John Williams also probably stole from somewhere else, lol.

 

[Raiders March]

Another thing - "pick-ups". That's what you primarily go back to do afterwards. Fill in the gaps in the edit to make things flow better and add to the overall quality of the story/film.

This ******** term "re-shoots" is only something that has come to be in the decade or so. That's because people wrote solid scripts back in the day. They were vetted by professionals that understood good structure and quality storytelling.

Now, it's a bunch of bean counters that have zero clues about scripts and green light a film on the "equation" they need to make it work; actors, pre-sales, etc. That's why we have such a glut of endless ****.

If the script for Indy 5 was solid from the very beginning, there isn't a chance in hell the words "re-shoot the ending" would even exist.

Just go watch the making of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Check out the pick-ups (or in 2022 Hollyweird - "re-shoots"), then you'll see real filmmaking.

**** off "re-shoots."

I believe there has been a lot of screenwriters and scripts that have gone the way of Donovan, to get to where we are. A fourteen year delay wasn't the plan after 'crystal' im sure

 

[VintageDisney]

 

[a-dev]

I know I'm late to the party with regard to the trailer but I just watched it and man, I can't believe they're still doing that stupid single note piano key thing as if they're stirring the deepest emotions in our souls a full seven years after TFA did the same thing. As for the footage itself it all looked very KOTCS-ish.

Yep, the obligatory quiet piano notes. And did you like the way they replaced John Williams Indy theme with carhorns?

 

[choombaz]

It's all true... all of it.

 

[Prime Clone]

I still wouldn't be averse to Shia taking over at some point...

https://gizmodo.com/mutt-williams-indiana-jones-5-dial-of-destiny-labeouf-1849911011

 

[Wor-Gar]

Oh thank god, I thought they wouldn't address that.