Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

[Mondragon]

Was the Wolverine the one where he was in China?

Yes

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[choombaz]

I think there's a huge factor a lot of people are missing with Mangold - he writes most of his work, and normally that only involves a story credit or based on a book credit by someone else.

Indy 5 has (at least) 2 other active writers AND the idiotic Lucasfilm story group hacks that everything needs to be passed through.

Couple this with KK's lunacy, and Fleabag attached - hence my apprehension.

If he was given carte blanche like Gilroy on Andor - I might have some hope. Saying that, I has zero hope for Andor and that turned out to be a cracker.

Who knows?

That’s not completely accurate. The only two films of his he wrote by himself are the first two, Heavy and Copland. Ever since then he has worked with other writers. This film is written by two brothers, Jez and John-Henry Butterworth along with Mangold and three of them also wrote Ford v Ferrari together. The Butterworths also wrote at least one draft of Edge Of Tomorrow, amongst other credits, so there is genuine other talent there and it doesn’t feel like a multiple writers, multiple scripts scenario although obviously this film has been kicking around for a very long time and there probably were other scripts discarded.

There has been no official press or credits referring to the story group being involved in this film, although like you say I am sure they will be involved in some capacity. The story group was created specifically and initially anyway, exclusively for Star Wars. I do know Hildalgo had a similar “expert” role on the Willow show.

According to some press, Lucas has been involved in a small capacity enough so that’s he getting an EP credit which I don’t think he has had on any of the Disney SW.

 

[Mandible]

That’s not completely accurate. The only two films of his he wrote by himself are the first two, Heavy and Copland. Ever since then he has worked with other writers. This film is written by two brothers, Jez and John-Henry Butterworth along with Mangold and three of them also wrote Ford v Ferrari together. The Butterworths also wrote at least one draft of Edge Of Tomorrow, amongst other credits, so there is genuine other talent there and it doesn’t feel like a multiple writers, multiple scripts scenario although obviously this film has been kicking around for a very long time and there probably were other scripts discarded.

There has been no official press or credits referring to the story group being involved in this film, although like you say I am sure they will be involved in some capacity. The story group was created specifically and initially anyway, exclusively for Star Wars. I do know Hildalgo had a similar “expert” role on the Willow show.

According to some press, Lucas has been involved in a small capacity enough so that’s he getting an EP credit which I don’t think he has had on any of the Disney SW.

I guess I didn't explain myself properly in that first sentence as I've been a fan of his since Copland, and before writing my comment, I checked his entire bio.

I my point was; he's worked singularly, or collaborated with intelligent, talented human beings - not power hungry ****wits like Kathleen Kennedy, and the Lucasfilm story group.

 

[jye4ever]

Copland is Irishman bad lol

 

[a-dev]

I resent that.

 

[Otomofan]

I remember when Copland came out it was getting all kinds of Oscar hype...so when it finally opened in my town I went right away.

I thought it was.....OK.

Never watched it since.

 

[jye4ever]

Only good thing out of this Mangold is the first 3/4 of Logan everything else is JJ Abrams levels of bad.

I love Logan up until the xmen kids unite lol

The girl who played X-23 was amazing though absolutely amazing.

Copland is exceptionally bad.

 

[Mondragon]

The girl who played X-23 was amazing though absolutely amazing.

Apparently Mangold and Dafne Keen Fernández were game for a sequel focusing on X-23
Mangold and Craig Kyle (creator of X-23) were working on the treatment.

‘Logan’: Hugh Jackman on Laura Movie ... – The Hollywood Reporter
The film is continuing to defy expectations. While Logan is the rare superhero project that doesn’t exist to help set up a shared universe or sequels, a spinoff is brewing (“We’re just working on a script,” Mangold says of a film that would center on Dafne Keen‘s Laura).

Craig Kyle, who created Laura in 2003 for the animated series X-Men: Evolution, is working with Mangold on the treatment.

And Keen since looks the part even more ....

Not sure how much Disney wants to acknowledge from the FOX continuity, yet they've pretty much since established multiple time-lines and Universes, that it certainly allows for it.

Everything they needed; still seems worth pursuing, the set-up and premise ongoing with X-23, the writer, director, and actress Dafne Keen Fernández all willing.

Yet instead Disney have Mangold on Indiana Jones.
And Fernández has since been added to Star Wars Acolyte.
https://sffgazette.com/sci-fi/star_...his-dark-materials-star-dafne-a2375#gs.hooacs

 

[Wor-Gar]

Watched Ford in the first episode of 1923. If Ford phones it in like he does on that show, this movie will suck.

 

[Mondragon]

Watched Ford in the first episode of 1923. If Ford phones it in like he does on that show, this movie will suck.

At this point, (besides any post IJ&tLC content not existing at all, which I would have been fine with too), I think the only thing that might satisfy or make you happy, is if Mutts shows up, shows Jones his keen new switchblade, then stabs the phoning it in old man Jones in the gut with it, and throws him down a chasm.
Cue; Wilhelm scream.

 

[Wor-Gar]

At this point, (besides any post IJ&tLC content not existing at all, which I would have been fine with too), I think the only thing that might satisfy or make you happy, is if Mutts shows up, shows Jones his keen new switchblade, then stabs the phoning it in old man Jones in the gut with it, and throws him down a chasm.
Cue; Wilhelm scream.

Wait, did you like 1923?

And I don't like Mutt.

 

[jedibear]

1923 is just more Sheridan cowboy porn. Ford is the marquee name walking through the sets like Costner for the "modern" show Yellowstone.
It's this generation's "Dallas/Dynasty" soap fix. Acting isn't required...just show up like Heston did back in the day for his Dynasty gig.

I watched the trailer again. Ford is going to be the cringy old-man comic relief in this thing. Any movement more than getting up from a chair will be handled by creepy CGI head replacements on stuntmen bodies. Is ANYONE convinced by those shots on him on that horse?

Hold onto your old Indy trilogy hard copies, folks....

 

[a-dev]

 

[loki2371]

Well, that was depressing.....

Most movies today already suck, so what's the future gonna be like..

 

[ScoutingForToys]

Well, that was depressing.....

Most movies today already suck, so what's the future gonna be like..

Who is going to replace these greats? It's not that there aren't good directors and actors out there, but will we ever see the like of these aging out icons ever again?

 

[MeatHookGekko]

I watched the trailer again. Ford is going to be the cringy old-man comic relief in this thing. Any movement more than getting up from a chair will be handled by creepy CGI head replacements on stuntmen bodies. Is ANYONE convinced by those shots on him on that horse?

Wouldn't be hard to get Ford on top of a real horse real fast. Just cover it with lots of cocaine.

During Morning Glory, a paycheck movie for him, most of the film, he has this angry glare into the camera, as to why they are interrupting him while he should be face down in a small mirror with a rolled up hundred dollar bill. Apparently, as the legend goes, he made Rachel McAdams cry from all the non stop verbal abuse and that's when lots of industry people turned their backs on him.

Something to consider is that there is an entire generation that has real nostalgia for Indy and Han Solo, but there are successive generations where their version of "Star Wars" was The Hunger Games. And they have absolutely no context nor interest in Indy or his adventures. Harrison Ford isn't a reminder of their childhood, he's just a mostly washed up movie star that can no longer conceal he's a mediocre actor whom can barely walk up a flight of stairs.

I have some nostalgia for what Robert DeNiro used to be. But I can see younger generations just plain despising him outright ( They haven't seen The Godfather Part II, they didn't see Heat in the theaters, they didn't really understand what Goodfellas meant when it came out, etc, etc) To them, he's just an old guy who keeps shoving his personal politics down everyone's throats and mails in all his performances.

It's not just the risk of Ford being bad, it's that there is a large share of the potential audience base that has close to no context of when Ford was good and in his prime.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Welcome to getting older.

 

[a-dev]

Well, that was depressing.....

Most movies today already suck, so what's the future gonna be like..

I considered posting it in Wor's Happy New Year thread.

 

[Khev]

 

[a-dev]

This man corroborates