Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

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TOD / TLC tied
DOD

Whoa...! ToD now tied with TLC...?

And DoD goes back to #4.


I'm fairly certain when the dust settles and I see this again, it will be clear that DoD is #4... all it really has for repeat viewings is Mads Mikkelsen and the opening sequence.

As much as I have problems with TLC, it still has a relatively young Indy, it has Connery, it has the tank chase, it has Indy's hottest girl, and it will remain a solid #3.
 
That's exactly the kind of thing I was always worried might happen once the time travel idea was leaked, that we'd get a cheesy scene straight out of BTTF with Old Indy meeting his younger self. And I can't imagine something like that not being cringey as hell.

So just the fact they managed to avoid that (along with sending Indy back to WWII) makes it a positive in my book.
I get that, a side by side fighting scene would be stupid, I was speaking more metaphorical, that in some shadowy way , Indy made a impact on future Indy.

Of course, that cannot work with the current film as Indys life was miserable at the beginning....

and of course the BTTF comparisioms would be too strong. After all BTTF did ot in such a way that any attempt at that would be a straight up copy....

Full Disclosure BTTF is a top five of all time for me.
 
Whoa...! ToD now tied with TLC...?

And DoD goes back to #4.


I'm fairly certain when the dust settles and I see this again, it will be clear that DoD is #4...

As much as I have problems with TLC, it still has a relatively young Indy, it has Connery, it has the tank chase, it has Indy's hottest girl, and it will remain a solid #3.
Whats is it in TLC that drops it so
low for you? To much comedic tone?
 
Whoa...! ToD now tied with TLC...?

And DoD goes back to #4.


I'm fairly certain when the dust settles and I see this again, it will be clear that DoD is #4... all it really has for repeat viewings is Mads Mikkelsen and the opening sequence.

As much as I have problems with TLC, it still has a relatively young Indy, it has Connery, it has the tank chase, it has Indy's hottest girl, and it will remain a solid #3.
Yeah Wor I can totally support that all the way to the grave.
 
Whats is it in TLC that drops it so
low for you? To much comedic tone?

Yes. Silly Brody. Silly action beats. It constantly looks for the comedic angle in everything. Like having Indy fall down the steps because Pops solved the mystery by sitting in a chair. The gags are non-stop. Evil Hitler -- Hitler! -- ends up doing a gag. The only serious note is when Dad gets shot -- an epic moment.

Also, the lazy logic of many of the chases that undermines the reality, as if the filmmakers couldn't be bothered to solve very simple problems -- for instance, how Indy's bag strap ends up wrapped around the tank canon during his "deadly trap" moment, and then how he untangles himself from that diabolical trap once he climbs up. It is just ignored. Also, how the burning plane fuselage has room to pass Indy's car without even singeing the running board after showing how the burning wreck "filled the tunnel" in the previous shot. Also, the X marks the spot in the library but then that X is mysteriously gone when they start cracking marble (and then top it off by adding a joke about a librarian who thinks his hand-stamp is awfully loud). It goes on and on...
 
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Dragged him onto the plane. Back through the time rift (that conveniently is 2-way and stayed open for the perfect amount of time for them to do whatever was needed), reappear on the other side of the planet to NYC, (fair to assume the kidnapped pilot who owned the plane didn't want to fly them back to NYC), got on another plane or some for of transport with an unconscious elderly man that took however long to get back to NYC, drag old man Indy off that and into a cab, and out of the cab and into his apartment!

Oh, yeah! That's quality storytelling/writing!

And I'm the one that has life problems for not buying into this incompressible, juvenile, drivel... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

The movie that is impossible to fail! :slap
I didn't think it stayed open? Didn't they use the dial again to open it again? That's what I thought but may have missed something. Indy givesthem some info on a piece of paper to guide them back?
 
Also, the lazy logic of many of the chases that undermines the reality, as if the filmmakers couldn't be bothered to solve very simple problems -- for instance, how Indy's bag strap ends up wrapped around the tank canon during his "deadly trap" moment, and then how he untangles himself from that diabolical trap once he climbs up. It is just ignored.
This one has always bugged me, it's just such an obvious gaffe, even to someone watching for the very first time.
a joke about a librarian who thinks his hand-stamp is awfully loud).
This is one of the single dumbest gags in the entire series and yet it still makes me laugh each and every time...
 
As much as I have problems with TLC, it still has a relatively young Indy, it has Connery, it has the tank chase, it has Indy's hottest girl, and it will remain a solid #3.
Those are the reasons I'd put TLC higher than DOD as a "desert island" movie but I still think that if I had to choose only three Indy movies to watch forever going forward that I'd lean toward Raiders, TOD, and DOD since they all offer something different yet enjoyable.
 
I just don't know how rewatchable DoD will be over time. The first 20 will be endlessly watchable. The remainder I think will wane -- there are some good moments, but buried by some very long stretches where nothing really happens (like the entire ocean trek).
 
I just don't know how rewatchable DoD will be over time. The first 20 will be endlessly watchable. The remainder I think will wane -- there are some good moments, but buried by some very long stretches where nothing really happens (like the entire ocean trek).
I wonder if a tighter edit, even if it’s a fan edit, will make it more rewatchable. It’s always tough to find time to carve out for movies that are more than 2 hours. I mean, I love BR2049, but I always find I have to watch it over 2 nights. Maybe that’s what I’ll have to do with DOD… 🤷‍♂️
 
I wonder if a tighter edit, even if it’s a fan edit, will make it more rewatchable. It’s always tough to find time to carve out for movies that are more than 2 hours. I mean, I love BR2049, but I always find I have to watch it over 2 nights. Maybe that’s what I’ll have to do with DOD… 🤷‍♂️

Tighter is always better.

Anyway, an edit couldn't hurt, but it may not solve the problems. It won't make the tuk-tuk chase more exciting (there's just nothing there too clever)... or the long stretch on the ocean with Banderas. Cutting it down certainly helps, but again, other than Indy talking about his son, the sea-faring sequence doesn't offer very much and isn't very exciting. The eels are meh. Mads showing up is great but the dynamite gag takes too long. There's just not a lot to work with -- or to cut down to. It needs a whole other action beat. A good fight aboard a quickly-sinking ship would have made a much better sequence.
 
Yeah once you get past the opening 20, I can't think of much I would be looking forward to seeing in a rewatch. Indy doesn't really have any badass moments to speak of, other than when he briefly picks up a gun and actually starts shooting bad guys again.

The final scene is super touching of course, but not really worth sitting through a 2 1/2 hour movie for...
 
They want to hate it because of the grudge against Disney, or KK or wokeness or something.

Lots of Youtubers are the same.

No objectivity at all. Tough way to go through life prepared to be outraged all the time.





Consider the practical age demographic range of the regular posters here now. Using this kind of message board forum is actually "antiquated" for how younger people are mostly using online communication.

The preteens who loved Twilight when it came out, well it might not age well at all. Those preteens become older and their experiences change and more exposure to film/TV will likely make them more discerning about certain things. Also the factor of time. Seeing a bad movie at 17 is one thing. Seeing it at 50ish or so ( or whatever age range that people here mostly inhabit now) is a different ballgame. Carving out two straight hours can be a chore for some people as they have other duties and responsibilities.

The way young people view "wasted time" is not the same as how older people view it. Also things that people will tolerate in their youth won't be the same either as they get older. "Youtubers" who build their brand around "outrage porn" for their personal profit and platform are an entirely different animal. That being said, potential viewers are voting with their wallets and their feet here, because word of mouth isn't very good.

There's a saying I used to use on OSW long ago - If you've got good steak on the grill, why do you need to drown it in 50 gallons of A1 Sauce? A good piece of meat, cooked right, can stand on it's own.

The "A1 Sauce" here is all the extraneous polarizing stuff that doesn't need to exist to make an actual movie. The "good piece of meat" is something like Severance, or Midnight Mass, or Arcane, or Squid Game, or The Haunting Of Hill House or any number of interesting projects that rest on the merits of it's appeal to entertain and engage potential viewers. Midnight Mass didn't need 50 gallons of A1 Sauce to emerge as something many fans really loved. But on that, you can disagree. Go ahead if you want. The kind of world I want to live in includes people who can disagree with me.

In effect, The Big Mouse did things that only can exist when you have a margin of error. James Gunn has a film where there's a planet/base where there are tons of people wearing tons of dildos. He can get away with that because he's a proven money maker. He's proven he can get fans , lots of them, to love and follow what he makes. When you can make people give a damn about a talking tree and a foul mouthed Build A Bear, you've created some slack for yourself. In contrast for Kennedy, you cannot operate on full reliance for a margin of error that simply doesn't exist.

Lots of people won't gobble down a whole bowl of A1 Sauce and be OK with that. Maybe you will. If you do, then you do you. More power to you. But many of us aren't going to drink it all down and pretend it's steak. Maybe you think it's steak yourself. Or a good burger. Or something else. Again, you do you. But if you don't like it if others disagree, my answer will always be the same - You'll get over it. Or you won't. Either way is fine with me.
 
This one has always bugged me, it's just such an obvious gaffe, even to someone watching for the very first time.

This is one of the single dumbest gags in the entire series and yet it still makes me laugh each and every time...
Guys, the tank trap is simple, when he fell the strap got caught as he struggled to get up, while being attacked...

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He was trapped because the end of the turret was scraping along the wall....(and while all he had to do was cut the strap) that would have left him falling off the tank to be run over or at best left behind.
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when the tank driver is shot the tank pulls away from the rock wall allowing Indy to climb up and move the strap over the end of the turret....
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This one I have never heard people complain about. I always thought it was obvious what happened.

 

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Yeah that's obviously what we can infer has happened, but we never see the strap actually do any of that on screen.

I agree though it's not a big issue and not something I find overly distracting when watching the movie.
 
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