Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)
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He's very proud... he made it through production at his age.
Now... now he's a salesman.
Now... now he's a salesman.
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He's always been very workmanlike when it comes to his job. Having almost always referring to the audience as his customers. Kind of cynical, but that's Ford for ya.
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Here's Indy's costume from "current movie" on display at D23.
That's weird..his shoulder bag is on the wrong side.....oh. I see. It's to distract us from the fact that his gun is gone.
I just knew Disney was gonna do that. And I bet if they do a "Black Series" style 6 inch figure like we've all been waiting for, even if it's supposed to be "Raiders" Indy, he's not coming with a gun.
Remember....goofy laser weapons are OK, but actual firearms are NOT ALLOWED on little plastic toys!!
That's weird..his shoulder bag is on the wrong side.....oh. I see. It's to distract us from the fact that his gun is gone.
I just knew Disney was gonna do that. And I bet if they do a "Black Series" style 6 inch figure like we've all been waiting for, even if it's supposed to be "Raiders" Indy, he's not coming with a gun.
Remember....goofy laser weapons are OK, but actual firearms are NOT ALLOWED on little plastic toys!!
Considering that Disney has a ride where characters are shooting guns, and that they have a old timey shooting gallery in their park, I think your conspiracy theory of them stripping Indy of his gun might have a few flaws.
You’re thinking of Warner Brothers.
Don’t expect historically accurate German soldiers though. That definitely ain’t happening.
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I enjoyed younger Harrison Ford. Then he mailed it in for a very long time.
Hard to assess anything he's in now as changing from that theme.
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When I was up in the attic the other week I spotted the Ark crate from the 2003 Disney Theme Park Raiders series. I used to have it with my Hasbro Indy display, and it still surprises me that they made it.
Those days have probably long gone now, like the very risky cover to the 1981 Marvel hardback Raiders annual.
I brought the crate down and put it with my Afrika Korps.
http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_110703b.htm
Mine's in mint condition, but this was the first photo I saw on Google:
If anyone finds a link to a cam of the trailer, please post it here.
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Actually WB now has a conservative CEO and he has already said behind closed doors, that leaked, that left ideology will be extinguished.
You will see a return to firearms in marketing soon enough at WB.
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I’m genuinely so tired of this crap. Every thread is the same non-sense.
“I can’t believe She-Hulk twerked!”
“Worst show ever!”
“LOL. With how Marvel’s been going lately, I bet this show is gonna suck!”
“I doubt this new season of Mando’s gonna be any good knowing that Boba Fett was such garbage.”
“Disney’s going to Disneyfy Indy to pacify the woke crowd by getting rid of his guns!”
I say this objectively: who the hell cares? Honestly, everything becomes a culture war, everything becomes a bastion of negativity. Nobody has to like all the same stuff; that’s fine. Opinions are subjective, but when people dislike everything? It becomes less a question of disliking something and more a question of “maybe you’re the one with the agenda and you dislike the fact that the companies’ public moves run antithetical to it.”
I adore Indiana Jones. Raiders is arguably my favorite movie of all time, but you know what? Die Hard didn’t stop being an amazing film despite A Good Day to Die Hard, so, to hell with it. I hope Kathleen Kennedy and Harrison Ford both agreed that this is the movie where Dr. Henry Jones becomes Dr. Helena Jones and he finally realizes that he was always meant to be a she. She returns all the artifacts he’s ever looted to the Native tribes he nabbed them from, comes back home, and undergoes hormone treatments and surgery to live her fullest life. She goes back to being a Professor at the University because retirement wasn’t suiting her and she specializes in archaeology through the lens of Critical Race Theory and highlights how western archaeologists have historically stolen most of their artifacts from indigenous communities and the importance of returning them.
Alternatively, we can just accept that societal norms are constantly shifting and that some things aren’t always going to be the same. That Steven Universe isn’t going to be lighting up and selling Winston-Salem cigarettes to people during the commercial break. I want Indy to have his guns. I’m as liberal as they come and it still annoyed me when WB did their “No Guns” thing and my MAFEX Joker and Batman no longer came with their little plastic pew pew blasters. I even like real guns, but I also know how to enjoy things and how to tune out my own politics when it comes to entertainment. Yellowstone is one of the most aggressively Republican shows I have ever seen and I also binge watched every episode and loved every second of it. Not once did I think “ZOMG! John Dutton voted for Trump! I’m gonna go cry in my liberal safe space and schedule an emergency session with my therapist tomorrow to deconstruct why it triggered me.”
I’m also, again, not saying you have to like everything. There are elements of the Sequel Trilogy I disliked immensely. I, too, thought The Book of Boba Fett made the big man look like kind of a chump, but it’s that age old question: “is the glass half empty? Or is the glass half full?” I could spend every waking hour parsing every single detail of whatever pop culture or media I consume for something I hate and I’d probably hate everything…or I can enjoy the parts I enjoy and be entertained and until this movie comes out and I decide I hated it, I’m gonna enjoy the anticipation of seeing Indy on screen one last time. Gun or no gun.
“I can’t believe She-Hulk twerked!”
“Worst show ever!”
“LOL. With how Marvel’s been going lately, I bet this show is gonna suck!”
“I doubt this new season of Mando’s gonna be any good knowing that Boba Fett was such garbage.”
“Disney’s going to Disneyfy Indy to pacify the woke crowd by getting rid of his guns!”
I say this objectively: who the hell cares? Honestly, everything becomes a culture war, everything becomes a bastion of negativity. Nobody has to like all the same stuff; that’s fine. Opinions are subjective, but when people dislike everything? It becomes less a question of disliking something and more a question of “maybe you’re the one with the agenda and you dislike the fact that the companies’ public moves run antithetical to it.”
I adore Indiana Jones. Raiders is arguably my favorite movie of all time, but you know what? Die Hard didn’t stop being an amazing film despite A Good Day to Die Hard, so, to hell with it. I hope Kathleen Kennedy and Harrison Ford both agreed that this is the movie where Dr. Henry Jones becomes Dr. Helena Jones and he finally realizes that he was always meant to be a she. She returns all the artifacts he’s ever looted to the Native tribes he nabbed them from, comes back home, and undergoes hormone treatments and surgery to live her fullest life. She goes back to being a Professor at the University because retirement wasn’t suiting her and she specializes in archaeology through the lens of Critical Race Theory and highlights how western archaeologists have historically stolen most of their artifacts from indigenous communities and the importance of returning them.
Alternatively, we can just accept that societal norms are constantly shifting and that some things aren’t always going to be the same. That Steven Universe isn’t going to be lighting up and selling Winston-Salem cigarettes to people during the commercial break. I want Indy to have his guns. I’m as liberal as they come and it still annoyed me when WB did their “No Guns” thing and my MAFEX Joker and Batman no longer came with their little plastic pew pew blasters. I even like real guns, but I also know how to enjoy things and how to tune out my own politics when it comes to entertainment. Yellowstone is one of the most aggressively Republican shows I have ever seen and I also binge watched every episode and loved every second of it. Not once did I think “ZOMG! John Dutton voted for Trump! I’m gonna go cry in my liberal safe space and schedule an emergency session with my therapist tomorrow to deconstruct why it triggered me.”
I’m also, again, not saying you have to like everything. There are elements of the Sequel Trilogy I disliked immensely. I, too, thought The Book of Boba Fett made the big man look like kind of a chump, but it’s that age old question: “is the glass half empty? Or is the glass half full?” I could spend every waking hour parsing every single detail of whatever pop culture or media I consume for something I hate and I’d probably hate everything…or I can enjoy the parts I enjoy and be entertained and until this movie comes out and I decide I hated it, I’m gonna enjoy the anticipation of seeing Indy on screen one last time. Gun or no gun.
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I agree with what Batfan08 stated. Having said that let's keep the politics out of this thread otherwise, I'm gonna have to do some moderation that some of you may not like.
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I was thinking of Disney. I was thinking of the Marvel Legends Deadpool figure that came with two realistic Desert Eagles glued into his holsters, but also came packaged with two fun "zappy" laser guns that kids could play with. But the big, mean realistic guns were off limits to them.
You know, the kids that are playing with an action figure from a hyper-violent R-rated movie? Meaning, kids that shouldn't even have the figure at all?
Then when SHF made the same figure for their Japanese audience, again...ALL adult collectors...the guns and holsters weren't even included AT ALL. Swords and knives are OK, but big bad firearms are a strict no-no.
I think Indiana Jones's pistol is an essential part of the costume and character. I don't like it cause it's "violent" and "problematic." I like it cause it's COOL AS HELL and shows that the character is an all-around bad ass. He's not there to mess around. He goes into any situation prepared. He carries a gun and a whip cause he knows he's gonna need them. When he found himself without a gun in Temple of Doom, it meant trouble. So much of the character's popularity relies on his costume and props to the point that they've become iconic over the years. Fans spend thousands of dollars trying to re-create the costume down to the shoulder bag and shoes.
I don't give a **** if he doesn't have his gun in this new movie, cause I'm not going to pay to see it. But I DO care that if/when they get around to issuing the perfect 6 inch figure of Indiana Jones that millions of collectors around the world have been waiting for, I want it to be as comprehensive and accurate as possible.
Apparently you ARE excited about this upcoming movie. Good for you. I hope it's everything your heart desires. But if there's never a single scene with Indy's trademark fedora, and not even a mention of it, don't you think that would be weird? Well I think an action figure from Raiders or Last Crusade without his gun would be weird.
This is an action figure discussion forum. I collect action figures. I like them to be complete and accurate. That's not a political statement.
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I guess to this point, I just haven’t really seen a reason to not. I wasn’t big on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and it was obviously the weakest movie in the franchise, but from the moment Spielberg was still directing and said they were going closer to the roots with it, to the choice of Mangold as director, who’s proven himself to be a great one in his own right, delivering quite a few movies that I very much loved and enjoyed. Going back to what I said about McClane, I guess I’m a glutton for punishment. Because I always hoped we could get one last Die Hard movie that would end the whole thing on a high note and I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’ve hoped the same thing for Indy.Agreed!
Disagree!
Raiders and Die Hard are two of the greatest action movies ever made. Very hard for a "high note" to even measure up halfway to them.
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I look at it this way: even a quarter as good is still 4 times as good as their last respective outings.
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Kids can't afford to go to movies on their own.
You know how kids get access to mainstream entertainment? Their parents usually. This is a problem for Major League Baseball. It used to be that families would go to baseball games ( and they still do somewhat for minor league teams where it's cheaper and more fan friendly and more kid friendly) A little kid grew up being around baseball and loving baseball, and that kid grew up to be an adult and bought tickets, merchandise, followed the sport, maybe played it in high school, etc, etc.
You want to get fans when they are young. Look at how powerful the pull is/was for those of us who saw Terminator in the theaters or The Matrix or some of the older people here, something like the first Star Wars.
If you upset the parent for whatever reason, they have more and more incentive to not show things to their kids or allow their kids near it.
Disney, ideally, is designed to be family friendly. Kid friendly. There are things around Disney that are clearly raising questions how family friendly and kid friendly it is now in current times. People can agree or disagree on those issues, but if you alienate up to half your possible audience base, that's not good business.
She Hulk twerking might drive off parents from ALL MCU properties period. They won't want their kids involved, they don't want the risk and that's OK. It's their children. I'm not going to tell someone what is good or bad for their child.
Losing a fan is a problem. Losing an entire family of potential fans is a much bigger animal. Losing fans across possible generations is a huge catastrophe waiting to happen.
If you like a specific IP or property and it manages to alienate half it's audience, whether you agree or not, there's a good chance that show or movie franchise will die off.
Money rules over everything. Let's see who prevails. Are there enough viewers and fans on your side of things to practically financially support the way you'd like to see shows and movies be made?
You are trying to wash away many legitimate criticisms by citing the most extreme viewpoints so you can package them together to be dismissed. You don't like the "haters"? Well maybe they don't like people who "hate the haters" back. You don't own the entire market share on being offended.
I'm always offended by bad movies. Yep. Call me a hater.
I'm also highly offended by bad ideas. Guess I'm hopeless.
I'm also highly offended by bad ideas. Guess I'm hopeless.
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