Internet Crackdown

[King Darkness]

Wow

 

[BadMoon]

Wow

Happy Friday!

 

[carbo-fation]

Way to waste our resources on such trivial matter. Homeland Security should be doing something more important then stopping internet piracy. Since they haven't made any arrests, it's save to assume that the same people will be running a different site very soon.

 

[occulum]

waste if Homeland Security.
but somebody does need to chase down the pirating hosts.

Almost the equivalent of recasting in the movie industry.,,

 

[Kabukiman]

I love how the title of this thread implies that the piracy is the internet.

 

[BadMoon]

...........while eating a Double Down! Gotta have your veggies!

Of course!

 

[The Craw]

@Government

 

[The Mike]

I applaud the effort to rid internets of piracy. The folks who work hard to create something should be rewarded for doing so. It is no different than stealing a CD or Blu Ray from the store.

This argument is such a slippery slope. Piracy sites that simply show movie where you watch it without paying in spirit is the same as sneaking into a movie. I don't see people going to jail for years when they get caught doing that, they either have to pay or get kicked out maybe in extreme cases banned from the theater. Its just like Peer to Peers, people say its stealing but in essence is it any different than going to my buddy's house and borrowing a DVD and making a copy of it? I don't know if he stole it or not he just has it. Or uploading his CD into my iTunes and then moving that to my iPhone, he just has it I don't care where he got it.

Honestly with the economy doing as poorly as it is not to mention the ecological issues and the fact we are fighting a "war" I think government could spend their time doing something else. If the Motion Picture industry or Music industry has a problem with it then let them deal with it on a private level in civil suits and such, there should be no government involvement at this level IMHO.

 

[daikkenaurora]

 

[The Ween]

Don't be crackin' down on my internets, matey!!!

 

[karamazov80]

This argument is such a slippery slope. Piracy sites that simply show movie where you watch it without paying in spirit is the same as sneaking into a movie. I don't see people going to jail for years when they get caught doing that, they either have to pay or get kicked out maybe in extreme cases banned from the theater. Its just like Peer to Peers, people say its stealing but in essence is it any different than going to my buddy's house and borrowing a DVD and making a copy of it? I don't know if he stole it or not he just has it. Or uploading his CD into my iTunes and then moving that to my iPhone, he just has it I don't care where he got it.

Honestly with the economy doing as poorly as it is not to mention the ecological issues and the fact we are fighting a "war" I think government could spend their time doing something else. If the Motion Picture industry or Music industry has a problem with it then let them deal with it on a private level in civil suits and such, there should be no government involvement at this level IMHO.

It is a slippery slope saying that people should be rewarded for working hard to create something?

It isn't the same as borrowing your friend's DVD. In that case, he paid for the DVD, and at most, will share it with a small circle of people. In this case, thousands (possibly tens or hundreds of thousands) of people are watching this stuff without paying. That actually hurts music and film companies. Borrowing your buddy's Nine Inch Nails CD doesn't. The "peer to peer" thing is bogus, IMO. Back when I would rationalize that kind of behavior to myself, I used to think it was ridiculous for a millionaire like Lars Ulrich to complain like he did about Napster. I now know he was right, because any artist deserves to get something for basically providing a service that people enjoy.

You can always make the argument that government can focus more on this or that, but how far do you want to take that argument? Should the police be concerning themselves with patrolling your neighborhood and should the government be protecting children from exploitation when there are "loose nukes" that we could be spending money finding?

Rights are rights and should be respected and protected, IMO. There are other countries out there where individual rights aren't respected as much as they are here in the States, but I like the fact that if I create something, I can benefit from it. I know lots of folks here probably download movies all the time and don't think anything of it or give a ____ about the artist benefiting, but it is wrong to do.

 

[The Mike]

It is a slippery slope saying that people should be rewarded for working hard to create something?

No it is a slippery slope drawing the line in the sand. Have you heard of file sharing like Daemon and other things like that which allow you to hook up to a buddy's computer via IP address and the like? My friend could have backed up and legally housed his paid for collection and I could access it using that peer to peer and legally if someone who was monitoring ip address DLs which they did with Comcast and the Hurt Locker recently they could charge me and him for file sharing. That is why if you can prove that you legally own the DVD (both sides of the sharing) the charges are dropped under the provision that someone who owns a form of media has the right to back up said media but we'd still have to show up in court, etc. The line in the sand is too vague and the industries excuses for going after this are bogus. Music companies are pissed because CD sales are hurting and blame file sharing but leave out that legalized forms of digital media are the main reason for CD sales plummeting and use it as a scapegoat. The Movie Industry has hurt as bad as they'd like you to think especially after looking at record breaking box offices towards the films that are being "scouted", do you think anyone is being arrested or bothered for downloading Dragonball: Evolution or Killers with Ashton Kutcher? and its seriously in some cases counting pennies.

Should the police be concerning themselves with patrolling your neighborhood and should the government be protecting children from exploitation when there are "loose nukes" that we could be spending money finding? No but you just performed the first act in High School debate which is take your argument to its most extreme (should children or neighborhood go unprotected because....) in an expectation that your opposition will back down. That's like me saying "The Government should be using its Internet task force to hunt Child Molesters trolling chats instead of this isn't that more important!!!" Its a chicken____ response to a debate no matter what side you are on so I'll ignore this portion.

 

[daikkenaurora]

Don't be crackin' down on my internets, matey!!!

Those two shots in the background arent from a cannon.

 

[darthviper107]

Piracy is going to exist no matter what--there are some reasons that people do it that is justifiable. A lot of people wouldn't buy the stuff they downloaded if they couldn't download it, but there will always be the people who want the stuff and have the money but simply don't want to pay for it.

In that case, movie companies and music companies (and games) should try to figure out a reason that people would actually want to pay for their stuff.

I think we've gotten to the point where no one cares about music CD's anymore. But people still like to own DVD's and game discs, so they need to make sure that there is something you can get from buying it that you can't get from downloading.

And it's not enough just to know you have the physical object, there has to be more. Movies are really screwing themselves with DVD releases by doing so badly with the special features. Stuff like the Avatar and The Dark Knight releases that have no special features make it easy for people to just download the movie since there's nothing to get out of buying the disc.

 

[The Mike]

I agree its getting less and less attractive to physically own anything at this point in terms of Music, DVDs or even Games. Its just not easy for the common person to do it which is why it hasn't caught on like wildfire. Once a company comes out with an affordable way to house, catalog your DVDs directly purchased that can easily stream throughout your house etc without too much technical knowledge DVDs and Blu-Rays even since a lot of movies are being digitally offered in 720p will take an even harder hit.

I do have feeling though that this topic will definitely just be agree to disagree for the most part.

 

[karamazov80]

No but you just performed the first act in High School debate which is take your argument to its most extreme (should children or neighborhood go unprotected because....) in an expectation that your opposition will back down. That's like me saying "The Government should be using its Internet task force to hunt Child Molesters trolling chats instead of this isn't that more important!!!" Its a chicken____ response to a debate no matter what side you are on so I'll ignore this portion.

You're the one using the "slippery slope" argument, so don't blame me for playing along. I say, it is a slippery slope to say that the government should stop paying attention to protection of intellectual property because "it isn't important enough." I say it is critically important. This kind of thing is at the basis of capitalist enterprise. If that's not important to you, then that's your prerogative, but lots of folks lobbying Congress and contributing to election funds disagree, and their opinion matters more than yours or mine.

Further, your argument with the peer to peer sites is another "high school debate" tactic of using an easy to defend case (2 guys connecting their computers by IP address) to justify thousands of random strangers hooking their systems up in order to obtain material that they don't own, often pirated in nature. That is the real "slippery slope" of file sharing sites. They ultimately serve the same purpose as sites that have servers that house information people can illegally download, but folks try to use the benign sounding "file sharing" argument as a defense. Maybe there is a line in the sand somewhere, but clearly, Napster-type sites and these movie pirating sites are on the wrong side.

As for the music industry and CDs--the music industry is the major player making the money from the sale of MP3s through ITunes and Amazon, etc. They know that's the way things are moving, but they want to control access. Maybe they could make more producing CDs, but I don't see companies opting out of the sale of digital media. As such, I don't know how this crack-down is related to the sale of physical discs. It isn't just the decline of CD sales driving this argument. It is the decline in sales of music generally, which is, in fact, affected by those pirating this material. Same with film.

And whether or not you agree with movies making ungodly amounts of money in some instances (though most movies fail at the box office, off-setting much of the gains of the successes), that's not the point. Entrepreneurs and artists deserve to get paid if people are using something that they produce. Even if this piracy isn't really "hurting" (though I suspect it really is), that is not an excuse to stop defending their rights.

 

[The Mike]

Again "agree to disagree"

Until the lines of what is "against the law" is upheld in full I don't buy the movement of the industries. They go after those who pirate Toy Story 3 but not Jonah Hex. They go after those who pirate Iron Man 2 but not MacGruber.

I will concede that you are right that people deserve to be paid for what they produce in every medium. These entrepreneurs as you call them deserve to be protected in all cases though not just conditional on the widespread success of the artist. Meaning every Box Office Bomb deserves to be protected as does every Smash, every singer who sells Millions of Albums the same as the artist who sells less than 100.

The industries aren't doing that, it is conditional with them and therefore pure BS with these "pirate hunts" IMHO. If it isn't that difficult for the common person to log on and find them its easily less difficult for the government to go and shut them down but that isn't where the focus is. Laws are either broken or not, so if downloading a song or movie is illegal then all instances should be punished under the same mandate, until that occurs while the argument is sound that you are making the reality is that the movement itself from the entertainment industry is laughable and only continued so they aren't perceived as condoning it.

 

[nash]

they might 'crackdown' but theyll NEVER stop the internet. long live piracy

 

[CelticPredator]

Just so you know, Sam Raimi doesnt get 14 bucks everytime someone buys Spider-Man 2. The studio does.

So who gives a ____?

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh and.....

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