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fosing · Sep 29, 2010

Agent0028 said:
That girl really does have a nice smile.

uhhhm, the vertical smile i pressume. :monkey3

Agent0028 · Sep 29, 2010

CelticP said:

I don't get it, but I still laughed. :lol

FLOSI · Oct 12, 2010

FLOSI said:
Damn, I thought this thread was dead or deleted.... Let's post this chick again just for the hell of it:

Good job Flos!

FLOSI · Oct 12, 2010

FLOSI said:
Good job Flos!

Thanks!

Voorhees27 · Oct 12, 2010

Jeez those TITS! :panic:

FLOSI · Oct 12, 2010

They're so beautiful....

devilof76 · Oct 13, 2010

Breasts. Pfft...

pixletwin said:
Not sure. The dictionary doesn't exactly clarify what this means. To me it seems to imply a moral code or way of living based on certain beliefs pertaining to the afterlife and the duality of man (spiritual man vs. carnal man). Can one be an atheist yet still belief in "life after death". This possibility has never occurred to me before today.

I think spirituality pertains to the aspect of human life that is non-material, non-temporal, and otherwise completely different from all other phenomena in the three-dimensional universe. Spirituality pertains to the spirit; the soul. There is only one phenomenon that I know which fits that criteria, and it's consciousness.

Consciousness is axiomatic. It's existence is self-evident, requires no proof, and it cannot be reduced to any material phenomena. It depends on matter to exist, but it is not matter itself.

People would need 'spirituality' even without God (or an afterlife) because consciousness in humans is not automatic. It's volitional, and with volition comes fallibility. We need a way of knowing how we know things, not just that we know them, because if our standards of knowledge (to guard against errors) are wrong, our ideas will be wrong, and our understanding of our values will be wrong. If we don't know what we want, how can we achieve it? If we don't know how to achieve it, how can we? Etc.

I'm inclined to say that spirituality (the connection between a consciousness and existence) is even more important if there is no God. God seems to be fairly forgiving of human error; reality, not so much. In God, there is a way to bypass the troubles that living presents; if you believe, and do your best to obey, you will enjoy an infinite, problem-free existence.

In reality, if you make too many mistakes, all you get is a grave. Without a solid connection of one's consciousness to reality, values are an impossibility, and the only alternative to achieving one's values is misery and death.

ProgMatinee said:
who cares what people believe? its their actions that are important.

I don't know if God is real. I think he is. But why would anyone care what I think about it?

I think a lot of athiests think that if they proved God didn't exist that it would make the world peaceful somehow. I fail to see that logic.

And what is the ultimate cause of their actions? It's their ideas. Moral ideas, in particular. Moral ideas pertain to a particular type of value, which are fundamental values---those values which make all others possible.

If a fundamental value is derived from a wrong conception of reality, what possible guidance could such an idea provide to a being that needs guidance in that reality?

ProgMatinee said:
If god is a man made creation how can god (and not man) be responsible for war and hatred?
If god was disproved, man still exists.
If man still exists, and cannot have god, he would create a new reason for war and hatred.

No doubt. It's all on Man's shoulders. Always had been, and always will be. The question you need to ask is which eras did mankind perform the best, and which eras did he perform the worst. Once you know, then you have to look at which ideas dominated the culture at that point in time.

Personally, the idea that there is an ultimate authority of what is good and evil, which cannot be understood or questioned, only obeyed, the reward for which may only be enjoyed after one dies, but punishment for disobedience comes in the form of worldly destruction for all, is an idea that will cause war, poverty, and any other number of evils that were rife in the period after the Classical world collapsed and a milllenium of superstition reigned from Cordoba to Constantinople (nevermind the bat____ monkeys who were running around Western Europe).

Maglor · Oct 13, 2010

devilof76 said:
I think spirituality pertains to the aspect of human life that is non-material, non-temporal, and otherwise completely different from all other phenomena in the three-dimensional universe. Spirituality pertains to the spirit; the soul. There is only one phenomenon that I know which fits that criteria, and it's consciousness.

Consciousness is axiomatic. It's existence is self-evident, requires no proof, and it cannot be reduced to any material phenomena. It depends on matter to exist, but it is not matter itself.

I agree with this part^^^ :exactly:

devilof76 said:
No doubt. It's all on Man's shoulders. Always had been, and always will be. The question you need to ask is which eras did mankind perform the best, and which eras did he perform the worst. Once you know, then you have to look at which ideas dominated the culture at that point in time.

Personally, the idea that there is an ultimate authority of what is good and evil, which cannot be understood or questioned, only obeyed, the reward for which may only be enjoyed after one dies, but punishment for disobedience comes in the form of worldly destruction for all, is an idea that will cause war, poverty, and any other number of evils that were rife in the period after the Classical world collapsed and a milllenium of superstition reigned from Cordoba to Constantinople (nevermind the bat____ monkeys who were running around Western Europe).

You are again confusing God with religion. Most religions teach doctrines that aren't even found in their holy books. And many of those doctrines are designed to control people. God is not the source of that nonsense.