Jazz Inc started as a 3rd party manufacturer. The HK reference isn’t revel any considering most of the figures we do get come from HK.
Jazz Inc has had some QC problems in the past with some of their products. He does get them fixed or makes it right for the customer, but let’s not pretend everything they make is perfect.
This is just more anecdotal conjecture. It's just stated in absolute terms to make it seem like this is known fact when it's clearly not. That seems to be a pattern with these posts.
Since we're dealing in nothing but facts, I'd really like to know more about the specific "QC Problems" you mentioned. If you will just go ahead and post all the factual information you have regarding the number of defects by product and the number of each product shipped, we can truly understand the scope of the "QC problems" and if it is pervasive in nature. And please make sure you remove any "QC issues" that were caused by the shipper in transit that Joost was kind enough to address.
If the factual information isn't available, then the conclusion in the post is at best an opinion and should be treated as such. Like when someone says that chocolate ice cream is the best, or blue is the best color.
Also, you should probably take the time to learn the company name. The fact that you keep referring to them as “Jazz Inc” implies to everyone that you have no experience with them.
The purple ones OP that I replied to was specifically about 66Batman figures he mentions questioning if it was a mistake ordering the Mars ones. Why would you think it was abkut figures in general?
One figure does not set a track record. It proves they can make one. It’s the later figures that show they are proven and reliable. We simply don’t have a record of Jazz Inc figures, we have a figure. There are plenty of companies that came out with a bang and then the quality dropped fast. We’ve also seen the reverse where quality goes up. So until a second figure is in hand you can’t count on the first one’s quality as a sure thing for all of them.
We can see Joosts past posting practices to see his pattern in his reveals. He continually posts updates of pieces in production. He has done none of that for figures yet. However he continues to do so for current projects and upcoming ones not in preorder yet. Why would we expected him to be different with the figures? He’s established a past practice that we can rely on. To want to “pretend” that these figure will appear out of thin air in under a year let alone two is a bit naive.
We can look at his current estimated delivery dates for how long it maybe to deliver on figures. The 66 Batcycle last batch is estimated to come out December of 2024, that’s 1.5 years away and that is if he stays on schedule. Unless he’s been developing them in secret (which from his past practices show he doesn’t do) there is no way these figures will appear within a year. The earliest will be 2025 but more likely due to how the industry works it will be late 2025-2026 before we have them in hand. This 1.5-2 years away.
We are getting away from the point that I was replying to though. ThePurpleOne was wondering if he made a mistake ordering the Mars Toys figures. The point I was trying to make was no he didn’t make a mistake. The Mars figures are here, now and will continue to come. We know the quality of them. Everything with Jazz Inc is still up in the air and a long time away. IMO I’d rather have something that I know is here now, instead of hoping for one down the road. And if something happens and they don’t get made or aren’t as good as the ones we have now, I wouldn’t want to backtrack and pay the higher aftermarket prices. If JazzInc makes them and they are better quality, great we can buy the Jazz Inc ones and sell the other ones. Like some do every couple years when a figure gets updated with new better parts.
To the points:
The purple ones OP that I replied to was specifically about 66Batman figures he mentions questioning if it was a mistake ordering the Mars ones. Why would you think it was abkut figures in general?
This has already been answered. A non-specific post was made and it was responded to, based on the contents of the post. One cannot make open-ended, non-specific statements and expect that everyone knows what was meant or intended. When someone says, "
We won't see the Jazz Inc figures for couple of years", it shouldn't be completely unexpected that someone would read that and take it to mean that the poster is describing the entire collection of potential figures, rather than a specific collection of figures.
One figure does not set a track record. It proves they can make one. It’s the later figures that show they are proven and reliable. We simply don’t have a record of Jazz Inc figures, we have a figure. There are plenty of companies that came out with a bang and then the quality dropped fast. We’ve also seen the reverse where quality goes up. So until a second figure is in hand you can’t count on the first one’s quality as a sure thing for all of them.
That is all supporting logic for an opinion that was posted and initially presented as fact. And, again, it's still an opinion.
No argument with the logic, but that wasn't what was initially posted. Again, it was non-specific. When someone says, "
We won’t see the Jazz Inc figures for a couple years. We also don’t know the quality of the figures. . .", there is no mention in that original post about quality being related to any track record, only that the quality was not known. In fact, as was pointed out, one really doesn't know the quality of any figure until it is boxed up and out the door. The simple point was made that some of us have a view that you can predict the future quality of a product, based on the last product that was similar in nature, along with the reputation of the manufacturer, rather than waiting out a series of products and watching them all go by. I don't know the magic number of "good products" that gets a company to the threshold where they are universally considered "good", but as a consumer, I believe you have to go with your instincts and your experience. To that end, their existing reputation goes a long way and should not (IMO) be ignored.
We can see Joosts past posting practices to see his pattern in his reveals. He continually posts updates of pieces in production. He has done none of that for figures yet. However he continues to do so for current projects and upcoming ones not in preorder yet. Why would we expected him to be different with the figures? He’s established a past practice that we can rely on. To want to “pretend” that these figure will appear out of thin air in under a year let alone two is a bit naive.
We can look at his current estimated delivery dates for how long it maybe to deliver on figures. The 66 Batcycle last batch is estimated to come out December of 2024, that’s 1.5 years away and that is if he stays on schedule. Unless he’s been developing them in secret (which from his past practices show he doesn’t do) there is no way these figures will appear within a year. The earliest will be 2025 but more likely due to how the industry works it will be late 2025-2026 before we have them in hand. This 1.5-2 years away.
Again, this is supporting logic to the opinion that was posted, but was presented as fact. It's great to support an opinion, but again, it's not a fact and shouldn't be presented as such.
Small issue with the logic here. The 1966 Batcycle that I have on order is scheduled for September 30, 2024, not December. I don't know why one would use the date of the last batch as that isn't when the products are shipped, other than maybe it makes an opposing point look better. There will be three other batches fully shipped before that batch, so mathematically speaking, 75% of the product will be out the door and delivered before the date that was referenced for shipping.
Now, a huge correction to another "fact" here that is so horribly inaccurate, it undermines any argument about a two year wait. This "fact" alludes to the misconception that there is nothing developed in secret, and there never has been. As a matter of fact, I believe Joost spent a considerable amount of time on the preliminary design of the 2022 batmobile well before it was announced as a way of shortening the perceived delivery lead time. This was done intentionally and he stated as much. Should he continue this practice with success (he may even be doing it now), the perceived delivery lead times will substantially decrease. I say "perceived" because the general public typically only measures the time between product announcement and delivery. In this case, the product announcement is delayed until a substantial portion of the legwork is done, resulting in a shorter perceived product lead time. If that happens, any argument about a two year delay goes right out the window.
He may or may not continue that practice, again, no one but him knows for sure. But, to say that nothing is developed in secret and that his past practices support that opinion is just wrong.
We are getting away from the point that I was replying to though. ThePurpleOne was wondering if he made a mistake ordering the Mars Toys figures. The point I was trying to make was no he didn’t make a mistake. The Mars figures are here, now and will continue to come. We know the quality of them. Everything with Jazz Inc is still up in the air and a long time away. IMO I’d rather have something that I know is here now, instead of hoping for one down the road. And if something happens and they don’t get made or aren’t as good as the ones we have now, I wouldn’t want to backtrack and pay the higher aftermarket prices. If JazzInc makes them and they are better quality, great we can buy the Jazz Inc ones and sell the other ones. Like some do every couple years when a figure gets updated with new better parts.
I mostly agree with that.
After the whole "we need a track record" point on manufacturers, I find it ironic that somehow the quality of the Mars figures, as unpredictable as it has been, is somehow known. The actual fact is, we can't predict the quality of the next Mars figure, so the statement "We know the quality of them" is, IMO, a complete falsehood. I believe there are some positive indicators, but nothing that would indicate any sort of consistency. Arguably, it's a 50-50 guess (maybe 60-40) as to how the next figure is going to turn out. Case in point: the issues with the V2 Joker and the pending reissue of the shirt and vest. As it turns out that there were some clear QC issues with the V2 product that were not present in the V1 product. As if that wasn't enough, the reissued vest is coming without the magnets, so even that is arguably a regression from the improvement made in the V2 version. Then, there's also the issues with the pom poms and the hands and pants color on the clown and baseball jokers, respectively. I have all three jokers, including the V1 and V2 variants, so I am more than aware of these issues. There were many pages devoted to this discussion on that particular thread and one should probably avail themself to all the information posted there before making unsubstantiated claims that fold upon scrutiny.
