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@GaryPool i respect you. You are completely entitled to your thoughts and opinions. I STRONGLY disagree with your take on InArts Joker, but they are your opinions.


BUT, seeing as how EVERY JOKER THREAD GETS LOCKED because it de-evolves into a P*ssing contest and escalates into something worse…for the sake of our sanity and my own personal boredom of retreading old arguments, I’m politely asking you to do us all a favor and to stop with comparisons, especially ones that will no doubt invoke the argumentative side in all of us.

Let’s just stick to talking or complaining about JND’s figure on its own merits.

Respectfully.

I’m telling you this will absolutely go down a path that will result in mods stepping in, cleaning, warning and shutting down.

You, I and everyone here knows Joker threads bring out the worst in us.


Let’s take the first step to avoid that, cool?
 
I mean if you really wanna compare Inart for less than the single pack JND you got.
  • 2 rooted sculpts
  • 2 figures
  • Metal and wood diorama
  • Diecast weapons
  • Detailed seamless arms.

So if JND are charging what they are their product best be dam good but it isn't! That's where the problem is they're asking far too much and not delivering. You can sit and tell the community till you're blue in the face it's not bad but realistically it ain't worth what they want for it.
 
@GaryPool i respect you. You are completely entitled to your thoughts and opinions. I STRONGLY disagree with your take on InArts Joker, but they are your opinions.


BUT, seeing as how EVERY JOKER THREAD GETS LOCKED because it de-evolves into a P*ssing contest and escalates into something worse…for the sake of our sanity and my own personal boredom of retreading old arguments, I’m politely asking you to do us all a favor and to stop with comparisons, especially ones that will no doubt invoke the argumentative side in all of us.

Let’s just stick to talking or complaining about JND’s figure on its own merits.

Respectfully.

I’m telling you this will absolutely go down a path that will result in mods stepping in, cleaning, warning and shutting down.

You, I and everyone here knows Joker threads bring out the worst in us.


Let’s take the first step to avoid that, cool?

Appreciate it, but let's acknowledge first of all, that users who have stated their negative, and only negative to the point of trolling, opinions are coming to the JND Joker thread, who have made comparisons to other companies work previously. I'd recommend asking them to stop, it's not me going over to other threads of figures I find bad raining on other people's parade incessantly.
 
It’s irrelevant to point out the shortcomings of Inart’s Ledger Joker two-pack to justify this figure because this one has blatantly worse likeness and priced significantly higher. It doesn’t matter whether Inart pushed the tech forward or not. How about their Joaquin Joker two-pack then? Nothing revolutionary about that either.

I own no Ledger whatsoever so I’m speaking without bias. As BrooklynWolf says, this figure should be critiqued on its own merits. I don’t think Inarts Ledger sculpt is that bad, it’s actually good. If I have to rate them, Inart is 8, Hot Toy is 9, JND is 2, it’s that bad, it doesn’t matter it has 2 bodies, magnetic eyes etc, it doesn’t matter.
 
Appreciate it, but let's acknowledge first of all, that users who have stated their negative, and only negative to the point of trolling, opinions are coming to the JND Joker thread, who have made comparisons to other companies work previously. I'd recommend asking them to stop, it's not me going over to other threads of figures I find bad raining on other people's parade incessantly.

Most of the comparisons I’ve seen have mostly been about dollar to value of goods.

$1k for a 2 figure set with an elaborate diorama VS $2k for 1 figure that comes with 2 portraits and dogs. New tech aside, from the first reveal, the portraits left a lot to be desired. A LOT to be desired. The smiling face…cmon man…Joker was played by Ledger, not Fred ‘Mi Scusi’ Armisen.

And the company aimed for the stars, and had an arrogant attitude while doing it. They release the products as is with no revisions…bro, clowning on them was inevitable.

As I mentioned before, if you happen to be one that Po’d it and like what you see…more power to you. I personally don’t understand spending that kind of money just for a ‘coat’ or ‘pants’ to ‘build the ultimate joker’…but if it’s your thing, cool. However, instead of saying congrats on getting the figure, I’d rather say congrats on your wealth/income. Because I just DO NOT see what makes the figure ‘nice’ or even ‘acceptable’. As someone else suggested, had this figure been priced reasonably, maybe the blowback wouldn’t be this ‘intense’.
 
I mean if you really wanna compare Inart for less than the single pack JND you got.
  • 2 rooted sculpts
  • 2 figures
  • Metal and wood diorama
  • Diecast weapons
  • Detailed seamless arms.

So if JND are charging what they are their product best be dam good but it isn't! That's where the problem is they're asking far too much and not delivering. You can sit and tell the community till you're blue in the face it's not bad but realistically it ain't worth what they want for it.

The same goes for Inart but more-so. What you bullet-pointed, in terms of manufacturing, are run-of-the-mill low cost to produce elements of the overall package. So therefore they've hiked what is low-cost material and manufacture process incredibly high, and the overall result is poor (how can they offer 4 different figures for Joker at the same cost that this package cost with much, much less?)

What JND is offering is more intricate and higher-cost manufacture processes that employ higher cost material and probably longer production time. So at the end JND have used higher cost production and material, and still the only difference is 400 pounds... For me the likeness etc. is much better than Inart. anyway, but regardless of opinion on that you'd be able to explain away a lot of that high cost with the processes they've used.

How can you explain the high costs from Inart considering the end result was bad and they use market standard processes?

Most of the comparisons I’ve seen have mostly been about dollar to value of goods.

$1k for a 2 figure set with an elaborate diorama VS $2k for 1 figure that comes with 2 portraits and dogs. New tech aside, from the first reveal, the portraits left a lot to be desired. A LOT to be desired. The smiling face…cmon man…Joker was played by Ledger, not Fred ‘Mi Scusi’ Armisen.

And the company aimed for the stars, and had an arrogant attitude while doing it. They release the products as is with no revisions…bro, clowning on them was inevitable.

As I mentioned before, if you happen to be one that Po’d it and like what you see…more power to you. I personally don’t understand spending that kind of money just for a ‘coat’ or ‘pants’ to ‘build the ultimate joker’…but if it’s your thing, cool. However, instead of saying congrats on getting the figure, I’d rather say congrats on your wealth/income. Because I just DO NOT see what makes the figure ‘nice’ or even ‘acceptable’. As someone else suggested, had this figure been priced reasonably, maybe the blowback wouldn’t be this ‘intense’.

You're using incorrect arguments, either lying to better your argument, hearing what others are saying or just didn't know. In either of those instances I don't really know how you can be so bold and be factually wrong.

From JND website the figure is $1699
Type C comes with 2 fully clothes figures
Type C comes with two different Silicone sculpted heads, both with rooted hair and glass eyes
One set of fully articulate silicone hands
Other accessories including two bases etc.

So you get two whole figures that you can display separately, with two distinct individual sculpts with actual new technology. In that regard it makes Inart by comparison even worse because both those sculpts, but particularly the prison scene, are pretty awful. I genuinely don't know, just because it's cheaper (it still cost 1k!) how you can justify those sculpts being acceptable for the price that they were just because the diorama has some diecast you can run metal across and make a cool ting ting ting noise?

Regardless, you and others have made it well known the dislike for the figure and company, it's best leave it at that so maybe people who bought it can discuss things outside of just negativity?
 
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@GaryPool
Just for clarity from another Englishman who ordered both of the below-

IA Joker 2 pack + diorama was £800

JND type A single figure is £765

Both prices include shipping.

JND needed to produce something clearly and significantly better than IA or HT to justify their pricing and, from the looks of it, they’ve failed.

Their Joker may have its merits, but the general perception is that it simply doesn’t warrant the asking price.
No amount of ‘but they used X, Y, and Z materials and complicated production processes’ matters if the product doesn’t look good to the customers.
 
@GaryPool
Just for clarity from another Englishman who ordered both of the below-

IA Joker 2 pack + diorama was £800

JND type A single figure is £765

Both prices include shipping.

JND needed to produce something clearly and significantly better than IA or HT to justify their pricing and, from the looks of it, they’ve failed.

Their Joker may have its merits, but the general perception is that it simply doesn’t warrant the asking price.
No amount of ‘but they used X, Y, and Z materials and complicated production processes’ matters if the product doesn’t look good to the customers.

That's fair mate, are you looking to keep your order or not?

I'm interested in what made you order in the first place and what you perceive the differences to be from the latest released pictures and the proto?
 
Kit doesn't cover free shipping to every location. For people like me, Inart's deluxe Joker was closer to $1300 to ship that ridiculous box.

While I don't see it as a complete loss, and I don't hate everything about the set, it was definitely a bad purchase. And very poor value.

It's the main thing that held me back from getting their Phoenix.
 
You're using incorrect arguments, either lying to better your argument, hearing what others are saying or just didn't know. In either of those instances I don't really know how you can be so bold and be factually wrong.

From JND website the figure is $1699
Type C comes with 2 fully clothes figures
Type C comes with two different Silicone sculpted heads, both with rooted hair and glass eyes
One set of fully articulate silicone hands
Other accessories including two bases etc.

So you get two whole figures that you can display separately, with two distinct individual sculpts with actual new technology. In that regard it makes Inart by comparison even worse because both those sculpts, but particularly the prison scene, are pretty awful. I genuinely don't know, just because it's cheaper (it still cost 1k!) how you can justify those sculpts being acceptable for the price that they were just because the diorama has some diecast you can run metal across and make a cool ting ting ting noise?

Regardless, you and others have made it well known the dislike for the figure and company, it's best leave it at that so maybe people who bought it can discuss things outside of just negativity?

You’re completely right that I don’t have all my facts straight. I was just basing this off of hazy memory and my initial reaction to the pricing structure of their tiered list: ‘holy crap those do not look like they’re worth that amount’. So I’ll own up to my mistake. However @Chopper Face conveyed better what I tried (and failed at) to:

@GaryPool
Just for clarity from another Englishman who ordered both of the below-

IA Joker 2 pack + diorama was £800

JND type A single figure is £765

Both prices include shipping.

JND needed to produce something clearly and significantly better than IA or HT to justify their pricing and, from the looks of it, they’ve failed.

Their Joker may have its merits, but the general perception is that it simply doesn’t warrant the asking price.
No amount of ‘but they used X, Y, and Z materials and complicated production processes’ matters if the product doesn’t look good to the customers.


I’ll also agree with you in wanting to discuss this figure without the negativity. I’ve said my piece and I’ll move on as I usually do.

Keep in mind it isn’t necessary to tear down or smear what came before just to ‘find validation’ or ‘justification’ on this or future purchases. It’s not a good look and doesn’t help your case.

Like I said, it’s just opening a can of worms and this joker thread is on track to repeat what happens in every joker thread.
 
You’re completely right that I don’t have all my facts straight. I was just basing this off of hazy memory and my initial reaction to the pricing structure of their tiered list: ‘holy crap those do not look like they’re worth that amount’. So I’ll own up to my mistake. However @Chopper Face conveyed better what I tried (and failed at) to:




I’ll also agree with you in wanting to discuss this figure without the negativity. I’ve said my piece and I’ll move on as I usually do.

Keep in mind it isn’t necessary to tear down or smear what came before just to ‘find validation’ or ‘justification’ on this or future purchases. It’s not a good look and doesn’t help your case.

Like I said, it’s just opening a can of worms and this joker thread is on track to repeat what happens in every joker thread.

Completely fair and agree, hope others realise constantly bashing a figure they aren't getting isn't a good look either once their opinion has already been made page after page.

As the sole purchaser of this set on this site and thread, I now look forward to being able to discuss with myself my delusions and justifcations of purchase in peace without negativity from others.

All is well.
 
Completely fair and agree, hope others realise constantly bashing a figure they aren't getting isn't a good look either once their opinion has already been made page after page.

As the sole purchaser of this set on this site and thread, I now look forward to being able to discuss with myself my delusions and justifcations of purchase in peace without negativity from others.

All is well.

No…thats not true….is it??

Are you really the only one here?

Genuinely asking, not being a jerk.

Who else on this forum PO’d JND’s Joker?
 
At some point, the mods will be:


When people discuss about 1/6 Ledger Joker,

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Nick, but he got suspended apparently, so that only leaves Gary.

Would have been fun to have him join the conversation.

That’s a shame. Genuinely.

When his posts weren’t filled with an air of condescension and disdain for InArt, he was an ok guy.

And if we’re being honest here…he spent the most time in Joker threads…

Which threads did I mention got closed and cleaned up the most?

His passion can be a bit much at times and could’ve used a bit of reigning in.

Regardless, I hope he comes back sometime.
 
Nick, but he got suspended apparently, so that only leaves Gary.

Would have been fun to have him join the conversation.
I really have a strong hunch he was the one behind my parody account lol and that got him booted…
That’s a shame. Genuinely.

When his posts weren’t filled with an air of condescension and disdain for InArt, he was an ok guy.
Yeah he’s a condescending individual, imo. I know others would say the same thing about me too though. Nick and I have been advised to ignore each other.
 
No…thats not true….is it??

Are you really the only one here?

Genuinely asking, not being a jerk.

Who else on this forum PO’d JND’s Joker?

Well, I think a couple of others did also, I guess @Chopper Face got the single edition whether he keeps it or not, can't remember if @Godfather1408 ordered or not, or was going to - @Gipetto0812 maybe did?.

Not sure if I was the only one to get the Type C edition out of those. Would have been nice to discuss getting it along with others who did also. I don't know about anyone else, but if I reach into the cold buried memories of the past of why I joined this site it was to talk about how great the figures I collected were and 1/6 in general, not to **** talk other people's purchases and figures regardless of what they were.

Shame that regardless of what was made that there can't even be a good discussion with those who haven't purchased the set of how this came out, considering it is doing new stuff within the 1/6 mass market field and perhaps could be adopted down the line by other companies.
 
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